Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 11 of 11
  1. #1
    Senior Member mike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Snowy midwest
    Posts
    5,392
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Danger in gettin' hit from behind

    I spoke with a guy who just retired after nearly 40 years as a paramedic.

    He told me that he couldn't count the people he had to shovel off the street who were hit from behind by drunk drivers.

    According to the national stats, getting hit from behind is not as big a concern for cyclists as getting hit by a car turning into them.

    According to this seasoned paramedic IN THIS AREA, however, the biggest and most deadly risk is getting hit from behind by a drunk driver.

    Of course, we have people driving here with 14 DWI offenses (yes, we do! And they keep raking them up). Even the worst drunken driving killing offenses never result in more than a year in jail. Maybe that explains the imbalance of getting hit from the rear.
    Mike

  2. #2
    Sumanitu taka owaci LittleBigMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    8,945
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by mike
    According to the national stats, getting hit from behind is not as big a concern for cyclists as getting hit by a car turning into them.

    According to this seasoned paramedic IN THIS AREA, however, the biggest and most deadly risk is getting hit from behind by a drunk driver.
    I respect anyone who serves as a paramedic. But that does not mean this paramedic's impressions are scientific.

    No worries

  3. #3
    Velolutionary IowaParamedic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Iowa City area
    Posts
    384
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    In my "non-scientific" opinion, the majority is the right hook. Intersections are the worst for cycling accidents.
    -----------------------------------------------
    Illigitimi Non Carborundum
    Visit Bicyclists of Iowa City -- Ride AHCAST on Sept 18 & 19

  4. #4
    opinionated SOB cycletourist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Branson, Missouri USA
    Posts
    968
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Sounds like Iowa needs stronger DWI laws and/or enforcement. I am very much in favor of permanent revocation of driving privledges for anyone caught driving drunk the FIRST time they get caught. No second chances.

  5. #5
    cycle-powered nathank's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Munich Germany (formerly Portland OR, Texas)
    My Bikes
    '02 Specialized FSR, '03 RM Slayer, '99 Raleigh R700, '97 Norco hartail, '89 Stumpjumper
    Posts
    1,848
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    hm.... that's a tough one. obviously, as has been already stated, tougher DWI laws and enforcement are what's needed... as well as changing people's attitude.

    although i haven't lived there for a while now, in Texas, the combination of laws, enforcement, education and advertising like MAD have made quite a change in the attitude towards drunk driving... where 20 years ago it was 'Oh yeah, i'm a good driver and i drive fine after 4 beers' now the people that still do that mostly don't talk about it b/c the general attitude has changed and almost everyone has a friend or relative who has been killed so you will be personally attacked if you say something like that now... (not everywhere, but it's more the norm) and most bars take the law very seriously since most owners have been sued or closed down at least once...

    i think the death stats for drunk driving are high concerning 'innocent' auto users and pedestrians as well as cyclists...

    as far as a protection for cyclists against those drunk drivers out there... there's not much you can do. i've actually heard that a blinking red light at night can actually *attract* a drunk driver who is unable to focus/concentrate on the road...

    but it's much the same as in a caror on foot, like if a drunk driver runs a red light at 40mph...

    i think the only protection is either not to be out on the road whether in a car, bike or on foot OR to get the drunk drivers off the road.
    why drive when you can ride?
    now a fully certified German MTB Guide! (DAV)

  6. #6
    riding a Pinarello Prince orguasch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Downtown Toronto,Canada
    My Bikes
    Pinarello, Prince and an FP5
    Posts
    2,401
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Back In the Old Country you accidentally kill a person while driving under the influence(DUI) you go to jail for 12 years, or if your lucky you won't served that because the street people will lynch you and you won't have to served the 12 year sentence because you're dead meat after they are thru with you , which is sometime good street justice
    "Racso", the well oiled machine;)

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Posts
    812
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Here's the Feldman Plan for drunk driver control:
    Many police departments have a few sickos, officers who are on the job because of a violent streak or an unhealthy enjoyment of power. Instead of waiting for them to beat up on random victims, let them have drunk drivers as unlimited sporting targets; tell 'em that if they have a Breathalyzer reading over .10, they can do what they want to the suspect as long as there are no messy remains left around. Remember, DRUNK DRIVERS ARE NOT PEOPLE.

  8. #8
    Donating member Anastasia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Location
    Northeastern Ohio
    My Bikes
    2 road bikes (1vintage Terry) and a mountain bike.
    Posts
    102
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    mike -

    It is rather incredible isn't it that a person with numerous DUI's and DWI's can CONTINUE to drive. It is utterly rediculous. I mean, how many rehab's does a person need to go to in order to begin to grasp that 1) they have a problem with alcohol, and 2)that someday, they are either going to kill someone or kill themselves.

    I for one think that the drunk driving laws MUST be tougher - but that doesn't mean that on a first offense we throw the person in jail - early on Rehab, counciling and AA or NA may do the trick. But there is a guy here in Ohio who has 16 - yep, count 'em - 16 drunk driving convictions - and he is STILL DRIVING. There is no excuse for this. And I speak as someone who has been sober for almost 9 years now.

    Those are my 2cents worth!
    Seven Cycles Alaris Ti - Like riding a magic carpet :love:
    PeacePedals ~
    Anastasia

  9. #9
    Senior Member hosehead's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Fort Collins, Colorado
    Posts
    128
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The traffic law here says that you have to have a rear reflector, side reflectors, and a front light to ride at night. If you only do this, of course drivers coming from behind are going to be your biggest concern. I usually use a flashing red light on the back as well, even though I look like a dork doing it.

    You also have a lot more control in avoiding the turners. They're pretty easy to spot. When drivers come up behind you, you're counting on them seeing you, which is not a good assumption to make.

    I hate riding at night. Last night I had to ride by the frat house section of town, which I loathe. I'm just extra careful over there. It still makes me mad, even though I know they're going to turn as if I'm not there and I slow down to avoid the collision.

  10. #10
    Poky Oxymoron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Pocahontas, Iowa
    My Bikes
    1999/2000 Rans Rocket - red, of course, and a forest green 2001 Specialized Expedition w/ 2" slicks, fenders and Jaand baskets
    Posts
    166
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Originally posted by mike
    He told me that he couldn't count the people he had to shovel off the street who were hit from behind by drunk drivers.

    According to the national stats, getting hit from behind is not as big a concern for cyclists as getting hit by a car turning into them.

    According to this seasoned paramedic IN THIS AREA, however, the biggest and most deadly risk is getting hit from behind by a drunk driver.
    Statistically, there may be more accidents involving turning cars, but as far as actual mess to clean up with a shovel, I would have to say getting creamed from behind at 55mph would definitely be more memorable to a paramedic.

    I once heard that at midnight on a Saturday night 80% of drivers are drunk. I don't now if that's true, but it's what I'm thinking about as I hear cars come up behind me. I always ride back streets at night because once everyone is in bed, no one is on them.

    I've mentioned it before, but I have large reflective triangles on both the back and front of my pannier basket. You may be too drunk to avoid me, but you're sure as hell going to see me as you run me over.

    Clay

  11. #11
    Life is good RonH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Location
    Between Lecanto and Hernando Florida, 6 miles due west of the Withlacoochee Trail
    My Bikes
    I've had several since 1999 but have settled on my beloved 2001 Litespeed Tuscany and my latest, a 2013 Cannondale CAAD 10.
    Posts
    13,488
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    After you read the following you can all thank your lucky stars I am here to participate in this discussion.

    When I was a kid my Dad and I would go fishing on the weekend. He always loaded up the cooler with beer. I remember that on several occasions he wanted to show me how fast he could drive when we were on our way home. He would be driving down a narrow two-lane country road at 70 or 80 mph. Other times we might be on a freeway and he thought it would be amusing to try for 110 mph. He didn't care if the road was wet or dry. All this took place after a couple of six packs. Needless to say I was scared sh*tless.

    I told him I didn't like him driving so fast but he just laughed. When we got home I told my Mother and she talked to him but he just laughed it off. I am happy to say that he never hit anyone though.

    I agree with everyone's comments about the lenient sentences drunk drivers get. My Dad never lost his license and never spent more than one or two nights in jail when he was stopped. I guess because he was able to "beat the system" he never learned any lessons about the dangers of drunk driving. He figured if he didn't have an accident he was a safe driver and drinking didn't affect his judgement or driving ability.

    As a teenager I tried talking to him about his drinking and driving but like all parents he didn't want to have a "punk kid" telling him what to do. I tried having the same conversation when I was in my late 20s. Same response.

    Too bad so many people can't see things for what they are and never learn important lessons.
    My bikes --> 2001 Litespeed Tuscany---2013 Cannondale CAAD 10 2 (5) "Racing Edition"

    Life is like a 10-speed bicycle. Most of us have gears we never use. ~ Charles Schultz

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •