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Old 12-13-13, 11:23 AM   #26
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[MENTION=358443]Dave Cutter[/MENTION] I'm not sure if your trolling or simply dense. But in NYC subway ridership is up. More and more people are moving into cities and not just NYC. For many of us cities provide excellent bang for the buck. NYC is still the financial capital of America if not the world. We film many TV shows and movies. And are one of the fashion powerhouses of the world. We contribute greatly to the U.S. and world economies. Probably much more then where ever it is you live. Might I suggest you spew your nonsense in the politics forum?

Back on topic. Besides what I already said about Citibike they have one more issue to address and that is bike redistribution. I've noticed that bikes tend to hard to going into manhattan in the morning and all end up scattered around Brooklyn in the evening. Some docks such as the one at Grand Central never seem to enough bikes. Apparently this was a problem for D.C. but they have greatly improved.
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Old 12-13-13, 11:34 AM   #27
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Oh, last question from the OP.

What happens when a sponsor doesn't extend a sponsorship agreement? (Like in London with Barclays?)
I'd imagine pretty much what happened when Carling didn't extend it's sponsorship agreement with the Premiership a dozen years ago. (I wonder who picked up that sponsorship? Oh yeah, that would be Barclays.)

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Old 12-13-13, 11:52 AM   #28
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.... @DaveCutter- it sounds like you have issues with a publicly financed transportation infrastructure..
Not at all. I don't see where you could have drawn that from ether! I have a problem with government waste and corruption. Since I actually pay taxes... I prefer to think my hard earned income will be but to decent use after it is collected as a tax. I think there was many solid ideas in the last couple centuries that should be retained in modern society. But to march forward with antiquated ideas "just because"... or because of a lack of vision or acceptance of new ideas is needless waste.

I worked a career in government and fully understand that ALL programs are temporary. Although some programs seem to have very long useful lives... such as the Department of Defense.... even it was born from the old War Department. Even if no one reading this forum today has the vision to see beyond the transportation needs of today.... that will not negate the true needs of tomorrow. My past experience has shown me that when politicians speak of the "future success" of any given program it is because insiders have already determined the program to have failed.

I don't know if the bike share programs will benefit the poor... or mostly serve as a tourist-ride in summer months. It doesn't really matter. But since these types of programs are almost always also run on the very fringes regulated of government.... reasoned taxpayers immediately wonder about corruption.

In simple terms: Yeah... I agree with the OP. Most bike share programs are created to benefit the politicians that promote them... and nothing more.
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Old 12-13-13, 12:07 PM   #29
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Some people mentioned implementation and convenience and those are important, but they are the kind of issues that get ironed out as the program goes along.

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I'm inclined to think bike share is like a lot of things that sound great over a few beers, but turn out to be far more complicated in practice.
Well, that's true. I've talked marriage, kids, mortgage and so on after a beer. Maybe two. It is so true that the real thing is more complicated. So what?

Looking at the title itself, in my opinion bike share should be very much a wanted child. A successful program would make good use of bikes, giving incentive for many to choose to exercise more. It may decrease inner city car use. Most of all, the more bicycle use, the more bicycle use there will be. If people see friends in their office and neighborhood riding, they might be encouraged to give it a try.
And a broader acceptance of riding may be good for us all.
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Old 12-13-13, 12:09 PM   #30
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@Dave Cutter I'm not sure if your trolling or simply dense. But in NYC subway ridership is up.
Moderator! I didn't think name calling was appropriate here.

As far as subway ridership being up... I am sure you know best. But according the released report from MTA that I posted a link to.... they disagree with you. The subway system itself.... seems to think ridership has decreased by millions. Maybe you should just call them names as well... and dismiss them as trolls.
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Not at all. I don't see where you could have drawn that from ether! I have a problem with government waste and corruption. Since I actually pay taxes... I prefer to think my hard earned income will be but to decent use after it is collected as a tax. I think there was many solid ideas in the last couple centuries that should be retained in modern society. But to march forward with antiquated ideas "just because"... or because of a lack of vision or acceptance of new ideas is needless waste.

I worked a career in government and fully understand that ALL programs are temporary. Although some programs seem to have very long useful lives... such as the Department of Defense.... even it was born from the old War Department. Even if no one reading this forum today has the vision to see beyond the transportation needs of today.... that will not negate the true needs of tomorrow. My past experience has shown me that when politicians speak of the "future success" of any given program it is because insiders have already determined the program to have failed.

I don't know if the bike share programs will benefit the poor... or mostly serve as a tourist-ride in summer months. It doesn't really matter. But since these types of programs are almost always also run on the very fringes regulated of government.... reasoned taxpayers immediately wonder about corruption.

In simple terms: Yeah... I agree with the OP. Most bike share programs are created to benefit the politicians that promote them... and nothing more.
You lost me, Dave.

But no problem, I'm sure your post makes a great deal of sense to others I just don't happen to be one of them.
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Old 12-13-13, 12:30 PM   #32
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In the Boston area, bike ridership is up in the last 3 years. maybe down in some other ares, not here.
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Old 12-13-13, 03:01 PM   #33
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In the Boston area, bike ridership is up in the last 3 years. maybe down in some other ares, not here.
Since Mayor Menino launched Boston Bikes in 2007, ridership in the City of Boston had more than doubled.... by 2009. But since 2011... I don't think Boston has been any more successful than most cities in America. Those numbers .... are very similar in Midwestern cities that made little or no efforts to promote cycling. Even at it's peak... Boston only reported a 2.11% bicycle commuter rate.

But I wish the very best for Boston's continuing efforts. As a fellow cyclist... I love it when cycling thrives! Cycling popularity has always fluctuated. But I think us older guys have embraced cycling as a means of activity at historic levels. My own personal belief is the more government involves itself in the business of cyclists, and bicycling ..... eventually... the less of it we will have. As us older cyclist pass.... I hope more youthful cyclist take our place.
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Old 12-13-13, 03:56 PM   #34
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Just heard a piece on NPR about the growth of public bike share. I'm wondering how everyone feels about:
I think it is a great deal for bicycling. It's getting thousands of people riding bicycles for transportation who likely would not have otherwise. It is, hopefully, reducing the number of cars on the road. It is improving the health of those utilizing bikeshare bikes. It's putting more bicyclists on the road which is a benefit if you believe in safety in numbers (I do).

According to some bike shops, it's increasing sales as people begin using share bikes, enjoy riding, and decide to buy. It's likely improving the image of bicyclists since people on bikeshare bikes are less likely, IMO, to act like jerks. All of the extra people riding bicycles helps justify more and improved infrastructure for bicycling.

I don't think anyone knows the future of sponsorships. In cities like Minneapolis, NYC, WDC, and Chicago, where bikeshare has an overall positive reputation, I don't think finding sponsors will be much of a problem. London may be another story, we'll have to watch and see. TfL may step up in London if no private sponsor is found.
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Old 12-13-13, 04:02 PM   #35
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As far as subway ridership being up... I am sure you know best. But according the released report from MTA that I posted a link to.... they disagree with you. The subway system itself.... seems to think ridership has decreased by millions. Maybe you should just call them names as well... and dismiss them as trolls.
Where in the reports you cited did they show year-to-year ridership comparisons? The reports you cited were the 2014 budget and 2014-2017 financial plan. The only actual ridership count in these reports was from 2012. They do show projected ridership counts for 2013-2017. They project yearly increases: "Increased farebox revenue of $30.7 million, based on higher ridership trends for
both subway and bus."

Try this link, if you are looking for subway ridership figures for the last 5 years.

http://www.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/

There was a decline from 2008 to 2009 due to the economic recession. Total ridership had recovered to its 2008 levels by 2011 and further increased in 2012. In case you are wondering about 2013, an all time (since 1953) ridership record was set last October.

http://www.wnyc.org/story/nyc-subway...ership-record/
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Old 12-13-13, 05:14 PM   #36
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I'm inclined to think bike share is like a lot of things that sound great over a few beers, but turn out to be far more complicated in practice. I have a hard time seeing this as a workable model for widespread use.
Is this a wide enough area for you?
http://www.capitalbikeshare.com/stations

CaBi is thriving quite well in the DC area. As I said,despite my fleet,I still use it quite a bit. It's very convenient for Metro'ing out to the burbs,and it keeps me from salting up my own bikes in the winter.
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