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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    ...I fail to understand why cyclists who have control over their destinies would choose to relinquish it to some unknown driver.
    I don't know if it's just classic human laziness or something deeper. People like to shovel the responsibility for their personal safety onto others. In traffic, there are plenty of others.

    You are right, this doesn't work well at all as a safety strategy for bicyclists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmallFront View Post
    Yup, don't filter alongside lorries and busses.
    when i filter there is zero risk of being hooked because i either take the lane or filter in between lanes.
    Last edited by spare_wheel; 01-02-14 at 10:02 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    when i filter there is zero risk of being hooked because i either take the lane or filter in between lanes.
    Zero risk while positioning yourself in the blind spot? Really?
    Ah, yes, right hooking only happens at the kerb. Never has a bus or a lorry decided to change lanes when traffic moves a bit.

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    I don't see my role as lecturing experienced riders about how they ride. I prefer to make information available so people can make informed decisions. After that they're on their own.

    My reasoning is pretty simple. I want to be left alone when I make decisions others may feel are stupid, so I return the courtesy when they do what I think is dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmallFront View Post
    Ah, yes, right hooking only happens at the kerb.
    pretty much.

    Never has a bus or a lorry decided to change lanes when traffic moves a bit.
    when traffic begins to move i take the lane (insert).
    parting a sea of cagers at speed is one of the things i enjoy the most about urban cycling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    My reasoning is pretty simple. I want to be left alone when I make decisions others may feel are stupid, so I return the courtesy when they do what I think is dumb.
    pdx had zero cycling fatalities in 2013 despite epidemic levels of ninja and scofflaw behavior (that many consider to be stupid).
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    Not much, a few seconds, but we do certain things for reasons that don't make any sense a all.
    ++++
    However, in many situations filtering works to real advantage. For example, there's an intersection near me with lots of complex turning traffic patterns. It's hard to find the right lane placement there. Filtering up lets me get to the intersection and possibly jump the *** and clear it before traffic begins to roll. It's not ideal, but can be the best of bad choices.

    We all do dumb things from time to time, but not all dumb things are equally dumb.
    I know some signals, ones that last well over a minute for a full cycle where traffic is routinely backed up enough that it takes a couple of cycles to get through. Clearly there it saves a couple of minutes. Most such near me have a very wide right lane or even a dedicated right turn lane.

    Especially where there is a wide right lane it means a filtering bike can start with the light from in front of all card and have no issues with a right hook. Usually such has a wide right lane after the light so I'm out of the way rather quickly, which is a lot better for everyone than being in a mass of cars that may of may not signal their turns.

    There is a huge difference between filtering and filtering into a space where there is no where to go, as in filtering up the 2 feet between a truck and the curb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
    I know some signals, ones that last well over a minute for a full cycle where traffic is routinely backed up enough that it takes a couple of cycles to get through. Clearly there it saves a couple of minutes. Most such near me have a very wide right lane or even a dedicated right turn lane....
    I'm not an idealogue when it omes to filtering up, or any aspect of how people ride. There are times when filtering up makes lots of sense, and time when less so. IMO the purpose of a forum is to make information available so that rider can make his own informed opinion about what's appropriate.

    Actually I miss the old times when cycling tended to attract the type of people failed "works and plays well with others" on Kindergarten. Back then we'd exchange knowledge, but offer advice only if asked. Otherwise the general sentiment was "if it works for you, go with it."

    That's still my general attitude, and nobody should ever feel obligated to explain or justify why he rides a certain way.
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