Bike Forums

Bike Forums (http://www.bikeforums.net/forum.php)
-   Advocacy & Safety (http://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/)
-   -   New Minneapolis mayor proclaims January 3rd: "Winter Biking Day!" (http://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/928510-new-minneapolis-mayor-proclaims-january-3rd-winter-biking-day.html)

SnowJob 01-03-14 11:11 PM

New Minneapolis mayor proclaims January 3rd: "Winter Biking Day!"
 
On her second day in office.

Quote:

WHEREAS, Minneapolis’ Winter Bicyclists, like Minnesotans in general, are more resilient, more hearty, more “Die Hard” gritty, just plain tougher and much better looking the bicyclists from all those wimpier cities,

B. Carfree 01-03-14 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betsy Hodges
WHEREAS, an estimated 4,000 Minneapolitans bike on an average winter day...

With 214k workers in Minneapolis, that works out to less than 2%. It's better than nothing, but not something to go blowing one's horn over. (So says the self-proclaimed weather wimp who will go for a pleasant spin with the temperature a comfortable +28F tomorrow morning, as opposed to Minneapolis' 13F.)

SHBR 01-04-14 01:21 AM

I rode around lake Harriet during the 1991 Halloween blizzard in Minneapolis.

I remember riding my Schwinn MTB across Lake Harriet during the winter because it was quicker than going around it. I had none of this studded tire nonsense.

I still have vivid memories of a school bus skidding to a stop a few feet from from my head after one of my daily wipe outs. Ahh to be young and fearless.

FanaticMN 01-04-14 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16381288)
With 214k workers in Minneapolis, that works out to less than 2%. It's better than nothing, but not something to go blowing one's horn over. (So says the self-proclaimed weather wimp who will go for a pleasant spin with the temperature a comfortable +28F tomorrow morning, as opposed to Minneapolis' 13F.)

I expect it will be a bit less than 4000 on Monday and Tuesday (-25 or so for the morning commutes). On the other hand, those won't exactly be average winter's days.

Those low numbers get averaged in with the numbers for the rest of the months, pulling the annual mode share down. Maybe the increase in mode share here in the past few years has all been global warming!

B. Carfree 01-04-14 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FanaticMN (Post 16383025)
I expect it will be a bit less than 4000 on Monday and Tuesday (-25 or so for the morning commutes). On the other hand, those won't exactly be average winter's days.

Those low numbers get averaged in with the numbers for the rest of the months, pulling the annual mode share down. Maybe the increase in mode share here in the past few years has all been global warming!

Funny thing about weather, people everywhere use it as an excuse. In spite of our ridiculously mild year-round weather here in OR, I had a woman mention to me that she would ride her bike more often if we had nicer weather like they do in CA. I mentioned that most of the summer the temperatures are over 105F where I lived in CA, to which she responded that she would never ride if it got that hot.

Some people will only ride if the temperature is 75F and dry, and then they'll complain when it's only 70F or when the gentle breezes are in their face. I pity them. However, I'm NOT moving to someplace where the water hangs around in solid form just so I can pretend I'm not a weather wimp. You folks in the midwest are welcome to whatever titles and awards come with riding in that stuff. I'll keep my comfy slightly moist and cool winters and cherish them.

Rollfast 01-05-14 12:15 AM

Since it has been -40F we suspect there are recreational smoking advocates or comedians in the City offices.

Chris516 01-05-14 01:58 AM

Even though Rob Ford has next to no executive responsibility as Mayor in the City of Toronto, he should hear this.

CommuteCommando 01-05-14 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16381288)
Quote:

Originally Posted by [B
Betsy Hodges[/B]
WHEREAS, an estimated 4,000 Minneapolitans bike on an average winter day...

With 214k workers in Minneapolis, that works out to less than 2%. It's better than nothing, but not something to go blowing one's horn over. (So says the self-proclaimed weather wimp who will go for a pleasant spin with the temperature a comfortable +28F tomorrow morning, as opposed to Minneapolis' 13F.)

Whereas it is Minnesota on Jan 3, 2% is still dam impressive.

CrankyOne 01-05-14 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16381288)
With 214k workers in Minneapolis, that works out to less than 2%. It's better than nothing, but not something to go blowing one's horn over. (So says the self-proclaimed weather wimp who will go for a pleasant spin with the temperature a comfortable +28F tomorrow morning, as opposed to Minneapolis' 13F.)

Hah :-)

Even though one of, if not the, most inhospitable major cities in the U.S. from a weather perspective (and remember that +100f w/ over 90% humidity isn't unusual in MN in the summer), the Twin Cities still has one of the highest bicycling modal shares in the U.S.

3alarmer 01-05-14 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollfast (Post 16383808)
Since it has been -40F we suspect there are recreational smoking advocates or comedians in the City offices.

...is it really cold enough there yet to support genuine, talking smack insanity ?

Chris516 01-05-14 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommuteCommando (Post 16384129)
Whereas it is Minnesota on Jan 3, 2% is still dam impressive.

That is what I did, when I lived north of Minneapolis in Duluth on the shores of Lake Superior. There was the wind coming off of Lake Superior, and the wind coming down the hill towards the center of the city along Superior Street.

Chris516 01-05-14 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrankyOne (Post 16384963)
Hah :-)

Even though one of, if not the, most inhospitable major cities in the U.S. from a weather perspective (and remember that +100f w/ over 90% humidity isn't unusual in MN in the summer), the Twin Cities still has one of the highest bicycling modal shares in the U.S.

I lived in Duluth and it never got that bad. Maybe because of Lake Superior. But I never heard of a +100F in Minnesota, when I lived there in the early-mid part of the last decade.

CrankyOne 01-05-14 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris516 (Post 16385265)
I lived in Duluth and it never got that bad. Maybe because of Lake Superior. But I never heard of a +100F in Minnesota, when I lived there in the early-mid part of the last decade.

I think the average is something like 1.8 days per year over 100f in the Twin Cities. Some years none, some years three or four. Seems about once or twice a decade there'll be a day or two around 105 or so. Nothing like Texas or Alabama however. You're probably right on Duluth and Superior. Not sure what role latitude plays.

goldfinch 01-05-14 06:06 PM

I'm from near Duluth and lived in Duluth for years. If you live close to the big lake it has a cooling effect. Still, you can have temps in the 90s. But not every year. The big issue with the lake is the very cold and delayed spring time. I don't bother coming back from the south until the end of May and even then the weather can be mighty miserable. June too.

Chris516 01-05-14 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldfinch (Post 16385408)
I'm from near Duluth and lived in Duluth for years. If you live close to the big lake it has a cooling effect. Still, you can have temps in the 90s. But not every year. The big issue with the lake is the very cold and delayed spring time. I don't bother coming back from the south until the end of May and even then the weather can be mighty miserable. June too.

Yes, That is how it was in Duluth, when I lived there, as far as the temps are concerned. As to its' enjoyability, to each his own. Because of a medical condition I have, the winter temps were a blessing. I lived a short time in West Duluth. But most of the time near the lake, government, and the main branch of the Duluth Public Library.

genec 01-06-14 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16383716)
Funny thing about weather, people everywhere use it as an excuse. In spite of our ridiculously mild year-round weather here in OR, I had a woman mention to me that she would ride her bike more often if we had nicer weather like they do in CA. I mentioned that most of the summer the temperatures are over 105F where I lived in CA, to which she responded that she would never ride if it got that hot.

Some people will only ride if the temperature is 75F and dry, and then they'll complain when it's only 70F or when the gentle breezes are in their face. I pity them. However, I'm NOT moving to someplace where the water hangs around in solid form just so I can pretend I'm not a weather wimp. You folks in the midwest are welcome to whatever titles and awards come with riding in that stuff. I'll keep my comfy slightly moist and cool winters and cherish them.

Here in San Diego we have that nearly year round 75F and dry (OK it varies from 50 to 90) and yet the area is NOT filled with cyclists... the car is king and cyclists make up less than 2% of daily traffic.

SnowJob 01-06-14 09:45 AM

Well, let me just say that I would love to be in San Diego right now, or anywhere else warmer for that matter, it's currently colder than a polar bear's *******. The temp outside right now is -20F with a windchill of -43.

My work was cancelled (I'm a teacher) and I think I might take a little ride up to the coffee shop to check out the world.

Rollfast 01-06-14 01:37 PM

We'll never see her in Ontario anyway. The snow in the yard is now crunchy on top and has lifted from the ground, sorta like a Tootsie Roll Pop with no chocolate. But the streets are clearing so you can dodge traffic in between the nastier curb cuts.

Still below freezing though.

And I will live here until I die. This is the place I love.


Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16383716)
Funny thing about weather, people everywhere use it as an excuse. In spite of our ridiculously mild year-round weather here in OR, I had a woman mention to me that she would ride her bike more often if we had nicer weather like they do in CA. I mentioned that most of the summer the temperatures are over 105F where I lived in CA, to which she responded that she would never ride if it got that hot.

Some people will only ride if the temperature is 75F and dry, and then they'll complain when it's only 70F or when the gentle breezes are in their face. I pity them. However, I'm NOT moving to someplace where the water hangs around in solid form just so I can pretend I'm not a weather wimp. You folks in the midwest are welcome to whatever titles and awards come with riding in that stuff. I'll keep my comfy slightly moist and cool winters and cherish them.


B. Carfree 01-06-14 02:20 PM

Minneapolis has been defeated. They may have a few bikes, but the mayor of Indianapolis has cleared its streets of cars. That's a mighty high bar to clear in the realm of cycling advocacy.:D

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...in-decades/?hp

Quote:

Originally Posted by NY Times
..And, with a weekend storm dumping more snow and ice in Indiana and Illinois, the mayor of Indianapolis banned driving...

Gee, and out here in the west we get goose bumps over a few blocks of street closures for "Sunday Street" events.

SnowJob 01-06-14 03:48 PM

^^^ Wow... Man, fatbikers, snowshoers and xc skiers must be having a ball!

Rollfast 01-13-14 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16387710)
Minneapolis has been defeated. They may have a few bikes, but the mayor of Indianapolis has cleared its streets of cars. That's a mighty high bar to clear in the realm of cycling advocacy.:D

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...in-decades/?hp



Gee, and out here in the west we get goose bumps over a few blocks of street closures for "Sunday Street" events.

You've never been near the Midwest I gather? They have a very good reason to ban driving. Icing pulled down two RCA built megawattage UHF TV towers several years ago and took RCA out of the tower business. Ever seen the old Yankee Network site in New Hampshire? What was it, Mt. Washington? Makes Mt. Hood or Raineer look like Oakland.

B. Carfree 01-13-14 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollfast (Post 16406080)
You've never been near the Midwest I gather? They have a very good reason to ban driving. Icing pulled down two RCA built megawattage UHF TV towers several years ago and took RCA out of the tower business. Ever seen the old Yankee Network site in New Hampshire? What was it, Mt. Washington? Makes Mt. Hood or Raineer look like Oakland.

I get the icing (and the incredible instant downpours of rain that can happen), even though I have never lived in the midwest (just visited). Sometimes the weather just plain wins no matter what we do.

However, let's not go overboard with elevation differences between the (L)east side of the country and the Best (west) side. Mt. Washington (6289') is less than half as high as Mt. Hood (11250') or Mt. Ranier (14409). However, it does have the edge on Mt. Diablo (3848'), which served some similar purposes due to its being visible from a rather large portion of Northern California. With the (L)east coast sinking, something that has apparently been going on since the end of the last ice age, I wonder how long until the devil mountain catches up to Mt. Washington.:lol:

RPK79 01-13-14 04:06 PM

I've seen a sharp decline in cycle commuters since December on my drive from the SE burbs to Bloomington.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:54 PM.