I dabble in day trading of bicycle tickets.
I dabble in day trading of bicycle tickets.
As much as you paid for that Beemer [Mercedies, Audi, Escalade], I'm surprised it didn't come equipped with turn signals.
FRAP-----------Since almost every kid rode a bike growing up, why is there such ignorance in the fact that most cyclist do not ride a perfectly straight line. To keep a bike upright there has to be some manuver room from the intended path. Less experenced riders need more manuver room as they wobble some from their path.
IMO that means there might be as much as two feet on either side of the riding line. That is a 4 foot lane. Add to that a 3 foot passing distance, and that means a cyclist needs to have 7 foot from the absolute edge of a suitable lane or shoulder. So with no shoulder at all, and a drop off at the edge of the road to me FRAP has to equal at least 7 feet of the road way. It is the cyclist that has to determine if that is not true on the paticular street or hiway he or she is riding. For the police to believe that a cyclist should ONLY be allowed 4 inches right at the edge of the street is ignorance of reality and the law.
NJ Kayaker. You'd make a fine cop.
The bicycle, the bicycle surely, should always be the vehicle of novelists and poets. Christopher Morley
I am looking forward to hear the out come of this bit of nonsense.
Good luck joejack! Are you hoping for a quick dismissal even if it's from a no-show by the cop, or do you look forward to having your say in court to settle this question in your locality?
Of course the signs would inform law enforcement and change driver behavior. It's probably not even worth arguing about, although some actual data from a traffic study would be helpful to drive your proposal.
Court case in May??????????????? It should be dismissed for that fact that it isnt a speedy trial promised by law.
What is really stupid here is the fact we hear that the courts are jam packed with court cases. If the county or city att that is doing this case had any common sense at all, he or she would dismiss this case they are sure to lose.
no but I got stopped by undercover cops cuz they thought I was suspicious sitting on a wall taking a break. they even questioned my gloves - as if I was a cat burglar or something. they actually told me to get moving and not come back to their town. I think I was 17 at the time. freakin clowns
cycling is like baseball ~ it doesn't take much to make it interesting
Cops are paid by "we, the people" to address safety situations and write tickets according to the law as they best understand them. They have some latitude to apply their own experience and best judgement to a situation, but their primary objective is to objectively "call 'em like they see 'em." No one should have an issue with that.
Interpretation of the law is for Judges. We are damn lucky to live in a country where every one of these situations can be brought before a judge chosen by "we, the people." We elect them and pay them to apply common sense to such situations. It is unfortunate that one of us may end up in front of the judge for something that seems to be a blatant mistake, but it's also *highly likely* that the judge is going to throw this ticket right in the dumpster.
Rolling right along...
Last edited by njkayaker; 02-05-14 at 11:25 AM.
Your points are valid, but is there another nation with a better system to which you'll be moving?
Have you ever had to deal with the police when riding your bike?
*Because my fine was raised over $100 I was able to appeal the case to a higher court where it was later (almost a year after my ticket) thrown out without a trial.
Last edited by njkayaker; 02-05-14 at 12:50 PM.
Oh my. Sorry that I might have suggested that the majority of people working in legal justice are legit and trying to do a good job. I can tell by the conviction (pun intended) in the comments that, clearly, you guys are much more experienced than I with the cops and the courtrooms. Not sure why you are, but I'll very gladly cede the point. Wasn't trying to diminish what is clearly a stupid error and a significant inconvenience to you. I'm not defending the cop. Nor do I have any idea if all the facts are presented here. But I do believe your experience is the exception, not the rule. My only point was that "at least we have a system to deal with these things when they go awry and right them." It's great to take action to change a problem like this. Most people I see, sadly, say a lot and do very little. Some people just love to hate our system of government and all the difficulties that come along with it. Fight for change? BY ALL LEGITIMATE MEANS. But too few people get involved or give money to special interest groups like Bike New York or New Jersey Bike and Walk Coalition or the East Coast Greenway Alliance. They just sit back and b!tich. I'm out of patience for that.
I'm gladly the first one to say "question authority." I'm also a "don't tread on me" libertarian. I'm a fan of checks, balances and transparency. But in, oh, maybe twelve thousand miles of road riding over the years - no, I never had any experience with a cop. Does that make me unusual? What I find unusual here is Joe's comment that "I have been pulled over by the police for riding my bike more times than I can remember." That, Joe, makes you rather interesting. What does that mean - seven, eight, a dozen times you've been pulled over? That's very outside the norm. Maybe it's where you live, maybe it's your local police chief, maybe people have been killed on that road, maybe it's a choice you're making about riding, maybe it's just the worst luck I've ever heard of... what do you think is the reason you've been pulled over so much?
This latest interaction on a rural road is a bit of an oddball occurrence for even me. I have been hassled on rural roads by cops before but this is the first time one actually pulled me over. There is a bit more to the story than I have told as you assumed, but let's just say that what's been left out would not have you siding with this particular cop any more than you currently might. It's all irrelevant to the ticket (in court at least) so there's no point in dwelling on it.
Why I am curious is that his number of times being pulled over seems high to me. I am wondering what it is that he's doing that's causing so many interactions with cops. Over the years I've had a couple of interactions with cops- maybe 3 of any note. The worse have been in areas with very few cyclists. Delaware has a pretty active cycling community statewide and the Wilmington area is not exactly Hickville.
When I ride my bike, I ride my bike. In other words any "advocacy" or "political statements" I may make when riding are completely coincidental. When riding, "advocacy" is far removed from my primary purpose of biking from point A to point B as safely as possible.
Are you implying that JoeJack is deliberately making some kind of statement of advocacy by the manner in which he is riding?- a kind of one man Critical Mass.
Is that accurate JoeJack?