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    Quote Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
    ... This demonstrates my ambivalence of vehicular cycling and engineering analysis as the be-all, end-all of how to bicycle in traffic. There is clearly room for both a bicycle and an auto on that bridge. .....
    Like you I'm ambivalent about VC. The general premises are OK, but unless tempered by common sense and courtesy it leads to situatios like this.

    There's plenty of room on this bridge for a bicycle and car side by side, but the OPs attitude that cars are going to squeeze him off the road if he makes it possible, combined with his "take the lane" sense of entitlement makes sharing impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
    So I am thinking that the OP tried to take the lane, and a inpatient driver passed anyway. This demonstrates my ambivalence of vehicular cycling and engineering analysis as the be-all, end-all of how to bicycle in traffic. There is clearly room for both a bicycle and an auto on that bridge. However when taking the lane, the cyclist encountered a driver who clearly did not believe in the bicycle as a motor vehicle.
    They tried to make an unsafe pass. If they had tried the same thing by trying to pass a motorcycle that was going slow, there would have been great outrage for pulling a stunt like that. But somehow, the life of a cyclist is always marginalized.
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    Aaaaaahhhhhhhh, now I get it. This is a matter of principle, not safety. It makes a little more sense now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    Like you I'm ambivalent about VC. The general premises are OK, but unless tempered by common sense and courtesy it leads to situatios like this.

    There's plenty of room on this bridge for a bicycle and car side by side, but the OPs attitude that cars are going to squeeze him off the road if he makes it possible, combined with his "take the lane" sense of entitlement makes sharing impossible.

    Warning to cyclists. I'm not advocating ceding the road, but if we make road use a tug-o-war contest with motor vehicles, we'll lose, simply because we're outnumbered. We might win the war of bike lanes, but we'll lose the war for the road.
    I am not going to 'be generous' with the lane, when doing so, puts my life at risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    I am not going to 'be generous' with the lane, when doing so, puts my life at risk.
    Your headline said it all. You have an exaggerated fear of the risks of riding in traffic, and it colors your actions. Nothing anyone here will change that, and I'm not trying to. OTOH - your fear is in disproportion to the reality in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    Your headline said it all. You have an exaggerated fear of the risks of riding in traffic, and it colors your actions. Nothing anyone here will change that, and I'm not trying to. OTOH - your fear is in disproportion to the reality in this case.
    What you call 'exaggerated', is experience to me. I have nearly been killed on multiple occasions. Both when riding AFRAP, and when I was on the sidewalk. So I have every right to feel that I need to 'take the lane', to insure my safety as a cyclist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    What you call 'exaggerated', is experience to me. I have nearly been killed on multiple occasions. Both when riding AFRAP, and when I was on the sidewalk. So I have every right to feel that I need to 'take the lane', to insure my safety as a cyclist.
    As I said, I'm not trying to change you. You have the opinions of the others, but you need to ride the way you're most secure.
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    Apparently you also have been nearly killed when taking the lane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    I am not going to 'be generous' with the lane, when doing so, puts my life at risk.
    I won't presume to understand the cause of your fear, and lacking first hand experience with that particular bridge limits how well I can judge accurately by the google images.

    Going strictly by what I see, it appears if I was on my bicycle or motorcycle I could safely accommodate a pass by a car without conscious effort or concern.
    If I was on my sidecar motorcycle I could accommodate a safe pass with due caution.
    If I was driving a semi I wouldn't attempt to pass on that bridge, but with that the space available on a longer bridge I wouldn't rule it out if the cyclist waved me by.

    I'm a middle age, out of shape recreational rider on a 3 speed roadster so I tend to avoid bad situations, yet I'm completely at a loss as to why that bridge is an issue for you.
    Its wise to take reasonable precautions, but irrational fears tend to become self fulfilling.
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    Get over it chris516. Roads are made for cars, us as bicyclists are intruding on their domain. Every time a cyclist uses a public road we put ourselves in a near fatal situation. We choose to take that risk. We can reduce the chance of being injured but riding your bicycle in the road is dangerous, no way around it.

    You were not hit, forced off the road, dismounted from your bicycle, pushed over the edge of the bridge, you win. congratulations on a successful bike ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    I am not going to 'be generous' with the lane, when doing so, puts my life at risk.
    And how did that work out for you on that bridge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by catonec View Post
    Get over it chris516. Roads are made for cars, us as bicyclists are intruding on their domain. Every time a cyclist uses a public road we put ourselves in a near fatal situation. We choose to take that risk. We can reduce the chance of being injured but riding your bicycle in the road is dangerous, no way around it.

    You were not hit, forced off the road, dismounted from your bicycle, pushed over the edge of the bridge, you win. congratulations on a successful bike ride.
    Since when are roads the domain of a motorized vehicle?

    Bikes have been around, since since 1880, cars only since the early 20th century. Henry Ford did a tremendous PR campaign to get people to think that roads are the domain of the automobile, and that bikes don't belong on the road. I know the risk of riding a bike. But that doesn't mean I have to 'birthday cake' when a 'close pass' occurs(or almost occurs) on account of road design. I am not saying the bridge should be widened. But I am saying, that bridge is not the place for a 'close pass', when encountering a cyclist.

    So spare me your pretentious dribble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicago Al View Post
    And how did that work out for you on that bridge?
    Fine, The motorist saw me, and I let them pass me once we were off the bridge. They continued straight, down East Deer Park. I went left as I had already been planning to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    Fine, The motorist saw me, and I let them pass me once we were off the bridge. They continued straight, down East Deer Park. I went left as I had already been planning to do.
    A near fatality is never fine in my book

    EDIT: If the car did not pass you, saw you and continued on his way once off the bridge, what was the near fatality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    Fine, The motorist saw me, and I let them pass me once we were off the bridge. They continued straight, down East Deer Park. I went left as I had already been planning to do.
    Wait, I am confused. I thought they tried to race past you on the bridge itself. A dastardly act that nearly led to your demise.

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    I keep on expecting a "punchline" or "the rest of the story", but it seems to be playing out as nothing more than a bid for attention.

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    Maybe the driver honked repeatedly or gunned his engine. For sure a gopro would have cleared the confusion, and a report of the death threat to be reported to local law enforcement, and perhaps the streets department as to the hazard created by the closure of the other crossing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    Since when are roads the domain of a motorized vehicle?

    Bikes have been around, since since 1880, cars only since the early 20th century. Henry Ford did a tremendous PR campaign to get people to think that roads are the domain of the automobile, and that bikes don't belong on the road. I know the risk of riding a bike. But that doesn't mean I have to 'birthday cake' when a 'close pass' occurs(or almost occurs) on account of road design. I am not saying the bridge should be widened. But I am saying, that bridge is not the place for a 'close pass', when encountering a cyclist.

    So spare me your pretentious dribble.
    boy you sure are defensive about this arent you.

    Pretentious dribble huh??

    do you think a states/county's department of transportation spends a million dollars a year to improve conditions for a bicyclists?? no. The auto industry is a ka gillion dollar a year entity. all real money for roads is allocated and spent to accommodate more automobiles in a safer/more efficient manor. Do not be fooled into thinking any decision makers care about you and your bicycle.

    move on and let it go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
    A near fatality is never fine in my book

    EDIT: If the car did not pass you, saw you and continued on his way once off the bridge, what was the near fatality?
    Because, They crowded me, as I was cresting the top of the bridge. I could hear and see what they were trying to do. Being crowded on the road is one thing. Being crowded on a one-lane bridge is an entirely different matter altogether.

    Quote Originally Posted by rebel1916 View Post
    Wait, I am confused. I thought they tried to race past you on the bridge itself. A dastardly act that nearly led to your demise.
    Yes, They tried to do that, but I blocked them, since they would have knocked me off the bridge.
    Quote Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
    I keep on expecting a "punchline" or "the rest of the story", but it seems to be playing out as nothing more than a bid for attention.
    Funny, not
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    Maybe the driver honked repeatedly or gunned his engine. For sure a gopro would have cleared the confusion, and a report of the death threat to be reported to local law enforcement, and perhaps the streets department as to the hazard created by the closure of the other crossing.
    The driver didn't honk, but did *** their engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catonec View Post
    boy you sure are defensive about this arent you.

    Pretentious dribble huh??

    do you think a states/county's department of transportation spends a million dollars a year to improve conditions for a bicyclists?? no. The auto industry is a ka gillion dollar a year entity. all real money for roads is allocated and spent to accommodate more automobiles in a safer/more efficient manor. Do not be fooled into thinking any decision makers care about you and your bicycle.

    move on and let it go.
    Defensive, You were the one that said the roads are made for cars and bikes are intruding on their domain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    Because, They crowded me, as I was cresting the top of the bridge. I could hear and see what they were trying to do. Being crowded on the road is one thing. Being crowded on a one-lane bridge is an entirely different matter altogether.


    Yes, They tried to do that, but I blocked them, since they would have knocked me off the bridge.
    Again, judging by the images of the bridge, your account of the event, and responses, the only way a pass on that bridge would be crowding you is because of your choice to make it so, and a figment of your imagination.

    Everybody has a different margin of safety they're comfortable with, but when that margin rates its own zip code there's an issue that needs to be resolved before it causes real harm.
    You must consider how others will perceive your actions, when you feel compelled to take control of a whole road when uncalled for by normal, rational standards, people will perceive it as an intentionally hostile challenge, most will capitulate, but for a few it will be like waving a red flag at a bull.
    Its just a matter of time before you get hoisted by your own petard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    Defensive, You were the one that said the roads are made for cars and bikes are intruding on their domain.
    was that statement my pretentious dribble that mad you angry?

    I stand by that statement as true. Obviously I ride bicycles on the road. I understand we can and should share the road w/automobiles but.... when some jack hole in a car cuts me off or infringes on my enjoyment my anger doesnt last long enough to finish the ride, go on the internet, and post about it our community.

    I wasnt there. I dont know how close to death you really were but from this thread it seems as if you may be making something out of nearly nothing.
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    Here are some better links to what as far as I can tell is the bridge the OP is talking about (had to scroll down the road a little from his links and get up on the bridge and at its ends and take the links.)

    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1377...ruBDQuqj6w!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1377...FshdNQi7OQ!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1376...4PqCVSU7Bg!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1374...8FjOTf8Wfg!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1374...4mxrIp-Rig!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1375...HDtavrlPtQ!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1376...4PqCVSU7Bg!2e0


    After looking closely at the bridge in question and its apparent width in relationship to the cars that are using it. It looks to me like the bridge in question is just barely 14+ feet wide which by Fed. DOT Standards is the bare minimum lane width for a normal width car and a normal width bicycle to share a lane with minimum safe clearance (and if the car and/or bike is wider then normal more width is required accordingly).

    There have been some on this thread that have suggested that even narrower width can be safely shared, I completely disagree if one holds to a 3' minimum separation width standard between the two vehicles and still have the bare minimum clearance to the edges of the lane (or bridge edge in this case). A decent argument can be made that on a bridge for safety reasons of being forced over the edge into a fall or squashed up against a guard rail edge that more edge clearance for at least the more vulnerable cyclist is necessary.

    I was not there myself personally and I cannot rule out the motorist passing too close without sufficient clearance and not being there in person myself and having ridden the bridge in question myself in person I can't say for sure that the OP was being a jerk and unnecessarily taking the lane when he didn't have to do so for safety reasons.

    That said, although I usually side with the lane taker side of the argument in this case I would say after looking at the google street veiw images of the bridge in question (as linked too above) I am leaning towards the bridge being wide enough to safely share side-by-side at least with a regular car. Pickup-truck pulling one of those really wide flat bed trailers that is like 10' wide wheel base might not be the case especially since the drivers of pickup-trucks pulling such trailers tend to not realize how much wider their trailers are but a smart cyclist watches his/her 6 well enough to know when one of those is coming up behind him/her and makes their move to deal with that well in advance and that is not what was reported by the OP to be what was passing him on the bridge.

    Up where I live they would have squeezed two lanes into that bridge width, and I suspect that is what the bridge in question that the OP is referring too originally was (two lanes one each direction both each just barely 7-8 feet wide for a total bridge width of 14-16 feet) and it got reduced down to just one lane for safety reasons at some point. Too tight for two cars with proper clearance, but one car and a bicycle (or narrow motorcycle) could be safely done, but both operators of the vehicles would have to be work together to do it safely with full proper clearances. Doesn't sound like that is what happened, not knee jerk blaming the cyclist. Could be either one or both who where being jerks, if I had to bet money I would put on the both possibility. Doesn't mean that is what happened, I wasn't there myself so don't know for sure, but that is what I would put my money on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbo1889 View Post
    Here are some better links to what as far as I can tell is the bridge the OP is talking about (had to scroll down the road a little from his links and get up on the bridge and at its ends and take the links.)

    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1377...ruBDQuqj6w!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1377...FshdNQi7OQ!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1376...4PqCVSU7Bg!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1374...8FjOTf8Wfg!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1374...4mxrIp-Rig!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1375...HDtavrlPtQ!2e0
    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1376...4PqCVSU7Bg!2e0


    After looking closely at the bridge in question and its apparent width in relationship to the cars that are using it. It looks to me like the bridge in question is just barely 14+ feet wide which by Fed. DOT Standards is the bare minimum lane width for a normal width car and a normal width bicycle to share a lane with minimum safe clearance (and if the car and/or bike is wider then normal more width is required accordingly).
    14ft.+ seems about right. It was a two-lane bridge until some time in the 20th century. Because the town dates back to 1875. I presume when cars/trucks started to get bigger. That is when it was changed to a one-lane bridge. Also, The links give a false impression of the height and upward curve in the bridge. It is much steeper than it looks.
    Quote Originally Posted by turbo1889 View Post
    There have been some on this thread that have suggested that even narrower width can be safely shared, I completely disagree if one holds to a 3' minimum separation width standard between the two vehicles and still have the bare minimum clearance to the edges of the lane (or bridge edge in this case). A decent argument can be made that on a bridge for safety reasons of being forced over the edge into a fall or squashed up against a guard rail edge that more edge clearance for at least the more vulnerable cyclist is necessary.
    I have been hit several times when 'hugging the curb'. That is why I 'take the lane'. Also, That bridge is no place for motorist to suddenly get irritated at a cyclist. Which is what that idiot driver was doing, getting irritated at a cyclist being in front of them.
    Quote Originally Posted by turbo1889 View Post
    I was not there myself personally and I cannot rule out the motorist passing too close without sufficient clearance and not being there in person myself and having ridden the bridge in question myself in person I can't say for sure that the OP was being a jerk and unnecessarily taking the lane when he didn't have to do so for safety reasons.
    An added element that needs reminding, is the the street-level railroad crossing about 20yds. south of the bridge, had been(and still is) closed for repairs. Since it was during PM-Rush, there was a long line of cars that were waiting to cross the bridge.
    Quote Originally Posted by turbo1889 View Post
    That said, although I usually side with the lane taker side of the argument in this case I would say after looking at the google street veiw images of the bridge in question (as linked too above) I am leaning towards the bridge being wide enough to safely share side-by-side at least with a regular car. Pickup-truck pulling one of those really wide flat bed trailers that is like 10' wide wheel base might not be the case especially since the drivers of pickup-trucks pulling such trailers tend to not realize how much wider their trailers are but a smart cyclist watches his/her 6 well enough to know when one of those is coming up behind him/her and makes their move to deal with that well in advance and that is not what was reported by the OP to be what was passing him on the bridge.
    Seemingly, That would seem like the case. But, I was not going to force me to have to pull off the road, just to let them by. If I had let the first vehicle pass me on the bridge, once off the bridge I would have had to stop in front of the oncoming traffic that were waiting for the light to change. Before I could even move forward.
    Quote Originally Posted by turbo1889 View Post
    Up where I live they would have squeezed two lanes into that bridge width, and I suspect that is what the bridge in question that the OP is referring too originally was (two lanes one each direction both each just barely 7-8 feet wide for a total bridge width of 14-16 feet) and it got reduced down to just one lane for safety reasons at some point. Too tight for two cars with proper clearance, but one car and a bicycle (or narrow motorcycle) could be safely done, but both operators of the vehicles would have to be work together to do it safely with full proper clearances. Doesn't sound like that is what happened, not knee jerk blaming the cyclist. Could be either one or both who where being jerks, if I had to bet money I would put on the both possibility. Doesn't mean that is what happened, I wasn't there myself so don't know for sure, but that is what I would put my money on.
    The bridge was built during the early 20th century. It was two lanes until it changed to one lane at some point during the 20th century. Due to the size of the vehicles being produced.

    What you didn't take into account, is the traffic patterns. Pursuant to the time of day(PM-Rush), combined with the closure of the street-level crossing, and the traffic backup for an entire half mile on both sides of the bridge. Thereby, Creating hostility in the motorists' who were already having to put up with the closure. Personally, I think the street-level closure has gone on far too long. Not because of the behavior of the motorist behind me on the bridge. But the street-level crossing is wide enough for traffic going both directions and motorists' were having to put up with what was only supposed to be one week. Has now gone on for a month. So I have a certain element of deference to what motorists' are having to put up with.

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    IME there are two ways to experience dangerous passes.

    The first is to ride the edge of the road inviting drivers to try to squeeze through without moving over or thinking about oncoming traffic.

    But you can also create a dangerous pass by riding wide, or nearly down the center of a narrow road, of 14-16' That frustrates drivers stuck behind a "rude, inconsiderate, road hogging bicyclist. Since you can't block both sides you risk the driver eyeballing the space to either side and nosing through. , which is probably what the driver tried.

    Be safe, take the lane when you must, but be courteous and share the road by moving over when there's a good opportunity to pass.

    The way I think about it is that every time a driver passes, that's one less still trying to. Almost 50 years of safe, urban cycling shows it works.
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