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    Good news(at least for me)

    When I was going to/coming from, an appointment yesterday, on a six-lane divided 40MPH road, my father apparently saw me. He finally realized after hassling me for riding in the road, and 'taking the lane', how serious I am, when I am out on my bike. My mother stopped hassling me some time ago.

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    Coming to terms with our parents, and having them come to terms with us as completely independent adults, is a key part of growing up. Some of us struggle with it well into our twenties!
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    Mine is supportive, as he used to ride into work on fair weather days, but he just can't fathom why I'd ride when it's rainy or cold or dark.

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    I quit worrying what my parents thought about my bicycling when I was in my early 20's, back about 1980 or so. Actually, I rode when/where/how I needed to long before that, thats when I stopped even thinking about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    Live and learn!!
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    Coming to terms with our parents, and having them come to terms with us as completely independent adults, is a key part of growing up. Some of us struggle with it well into our twenties!
    Even beyond the 20's.
    Quote Originally Posted by spivonious View Post
    Mine is supportive, as he used to ride into work on fair weather days, but he just can't fathom why I'd ride when it's rainy or cold or dark.
    I myself, can't fathom why you would ride in the rain. I turned the curve on the dark, a couple years ago, when I got my 600 lumens headlight.
    Quote Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
    I quit worrying what my parents thought about my bicycling when I was in my early 20's, back about 1980 or so. Actually, I rode when/where/how I needed to long before that, thats when I stopped even thinking about it.
    Not worried in the least, just relieved he has finally 'turned the corner', on his level of concern. Even though his(and my mother's) initial concern was initially semi-reasonable considering my congenital health problems. But, I don't let my health issues keep me off my bike. So, I basically made them eat crow.

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    "So, I basically made them eat crow."

    and that is Oh so important, is'nt it. I'd hope you remind them of how they had to eat crow at least weekly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    I myself, can't fathom why you would ride in the rain. I turned the curve on the dark, a couple years ago, when I got my 600 lumens headlight.
    Headlight technology has advanced so much in the last 10 years its astounding. You can now actually get effective headlights instead of "hopefully some sees me lights"

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    Quote Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
    "So, I basically made them eat crow."

    and that is Oh so important, is'nt it. I'd hope you remind them of how they had to eat crow at least weekly!
    Yes, In my situation it is important. Yes, I remind them quite often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsa103 View Post
    Headlight technology has advanced so much in the last 10 years its astounding. You can now actually get effective headlights instead of "hopefully some sees me lights"
    Yes it has.

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    that is Oh so important, is'nt it. I'd hope you remind them of how they had to eat crow at least weekly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    I myself, can't fathom why you would ride in the rain. I turned the curve on the dark, a couple years ago, when I got my 600 lumens headlight.
    Because riding is more fun than driving, even in a light to moderate rain. If it's a downpour, I'll take the car, but I'm changing clothes at work anyway, so being wet isn't a real problem. You do have to be careful with visibility though; my only collision with a car happened in the rain.

    Definitely agree on lights. I rode once after sunset without a bright headlight and it was downright scary. Now I use a Magicshine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spivonious View Post
    Mine is supportive, as he used to ride into work on fair weather days, but he just can't fathom why I'd ride when it's rainy or cold or dark.
    My father displayed the typical "unknowing attitude" of most motorists... he thought that drivers were doing favors for cyclists by allowing them to use the road, and otherwise thought cyclists were obstacles.

    This attitude prevailed even after I toured the western US on a bike and rode right to the family home in Texas. I tried to explain that cyclists have the rights to use the road, but he still interpreted this as drivers doing us a favor.

    I think his attitude is one that really is quite prevalent for motorists that learned to drive before the '70s... And may also be something that is passed on to folks that learned to drive later than that.

    Cyclists are often seen as a sort of obstacle, and as something that motorists feel they are "forgiving" for being on the road... a rather mixed situation... obstacles that they are doing favors for... certainly not as legitimate users of the road with nearly the same rights to use the road as any other driver of a vehicle. Motorists often think that cyclists have to "stay out of the way" and don't consider that we have to make the same left hand turns they do, and often may have to use the same narrow lanes they use.

    Cyclists of course often reinforce this mentality by hugging the curb and generally shying away from MV traffic as if the cyclist doesn't belong on the road.

    Of course high speed traffic and the realities of the physics of high speed moving vehicles is hard to deny; thus there is a certain "preservation response" of cyclists when faced with automobile-centric road designs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spivonious View Post
    Because riding is more fun than driving, even in a light to moderate rain. If it's a downpour, I'll take the car, but I'm changing clothes at work anyway, so being wet isn't a real problem. You do have to be careful with visibility though; my only collision with a car happened in the rain.

    Definitely agree on lights. I rode once after sunset without a bright headlight and it was downright scary. Now I use a Magicshine.
    Ah, ok. Devoted to your bike!! I looked at MagicShine when I was looking for a good headlight. I didn't like the design. Bright, yes. But I didn't like the design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    My father displayed the typical "unknowing attitude" of most motorists... he thought that drivers were doing favors for cyclists by allowing them to use the road, and otherwise thought cyclists were obstacles.

    This attitude prevailed even after I toured the western US on a bike and rode right to the family home in Texas. I tried to explain that cyclists have the rights to use the road, but he still interpreted this as drivers doing us a favor.

    I think his attitude is one that really is quite prevalent for motorists that learned to drive before the '70s... And may also be something that is passed on to folks that learned to drive later than that.

    Cyclists are often seen as a sort of obstacle, and as something that motorists feel they are "forgiving" for being on the road... a rather mixed situation... obstacles that they are doing favors for... certainly not as legitimate users of the road with nearly the same rights to use the road as any other driver of a vehicle. Motorists often think that cyclists have to "stay out of the way" and don't consider that we have to make the same left hand turns they do, and often may have to use the same narrow lanes they use.

    Cyclists of course often reinforce this mentality by hugging the curb and generally shying away from MV traffic as if the cyclist doesn't belong on the road.

    Of course high speed traffic and the realities of the physics of high speed moving vehicles is hard to deny; thus there is a certain "preservation response" of cyclists when faced with automobile-centric road designs.
    This is the prevailing attitude from one generation to the next. Despite cyclists' having a right to be on the road. Not just in families, but in the police too. While the police know that cyclists' have a right to be on the road, they don't respond to an accident in the same way they do when two motor vehicles' are involved.

    The connection I am making with the police and the public, is, the attitude of both towards people that choose to ride a bike on the road. If a motorist is not paying attention, colliding with another motorist and ultimately killing them. The surviving motorist could potentially be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. But rarely, will the police and DA go that far. Yes, Dr. Christopher Thompson went to prison a couple years ago, but that involved maliceaforethought. Here I am referring to ambivalent ignorance on the part of the public, and law enforcement. Because if the same circumstances happened with a cyclist fatality involving a car, the propensity is that a motorist will not be charged with even reckless driving.

    Why, Because the public(and the police) see cyclists' as obstacles(even when going the same speed as the flow of the traffic), even irritants'.

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    Does anyone have any statistics on the prevalence and scope of charges filed and convicted in MV/MV fatalities and MV/bicycle fatalities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
    Does anyone have any statistics on the prevalence and scope of charges filed and convicted in MV/MV fatalities and MV/bicycle fatalities?
    I don't, but I've come to believe that unless alcohol is involved, those that walk away in collisions with either MV or bikes tend to get away with "remorse." (and we all know who wins in bike/MV collisions... )

    I used to think that cyclists were treated poorly by officials in MV/bike collisions, but my personal experience says otherwise, and my observations from news reports also seem to say otherwise. Hit and run and alcohol involvement however the police do go after the offending driver.

    I was involved in a MV/bike collision and the police ticketed the motorist and came to visit me in the hospital as a follow up. Pretty square deal.

    What may happen in the case of some MV/bike collisions is that the driver gives the old "he swerved" excuse and that gets chalked up against the cyclist who cannot defend themselves.

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