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Old 04-10-14, 12:05 PM   #51
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The OPs video shows that he did an improper lane change into an opposing turn lane, continued to travel in a two way turn lane without making a turn until it became a turn lane at the next intersection. The van drivers turn was clearly illegal, but the cyclist did set a trap by disregarding proper lane discipline and use.
I was thinking the same thing. Even though, it did remind me of something.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sh...246687!6m1!1e1

By panning the picture to the right, you eventually notice a big building across the street. It is one of the USPS sorting locations, in addition to regular postal business. When both, postal customers and postal truck drivers try to make the left turn out of the postal facility, I used to be stupid and let them force me into the middle lane of the turn. I started making what would be considered a bad left turn. Since I would turn with an imperfect turn. So I could make the turn fast, and not be cut off in the turn.
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Old 04-10-14, 12:20 PM   #52
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It's funny that the cyclist is allowed to justify his illegal actions, while the nameless driver - who did allow some room for error - is automatically assumed to be filled with selfish/evil/hateful intentions.

Roadway racism at its finest.

Everyone who has ever driven a vehicle must be an ass and a moron. Ex-drivers included.
The cyclist was in the dual turn lane, making a legal left turn.

The motorist did several things wrong:

1. Turning left from the straight-thru lane
2. Passing the cyclist on the right to make the left turn
3. Not staying behind the cyclist before starting the turn

The OP did one thing wrong:

1. The OP entered the dual-turn lane too early

It was still a situation of the 'I am bigger and faster so I go first', attitude from the motorist.
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Old 04-10-14, 12:39 PM   #53
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IMO nobody did anything seriously wrong here. The cyclist was OK entering the turn lane early. He has to take opportunities as he sees them, because traffic and speed differentials can make the move difficult later on. As long as there was no incoming driver this is strictly no harm, no foul.

Likewise the motorist probably assumed the cyclist was intending a turn, and felt he had room and time to pass and make his trun without interfering. Fortunately he was right in both assessments (especially the assumption that the cyclist was turning), so here too, no harm, no foul.

I'm surprised that there's so much analysis and blame assigned to a non event. Nothing happened, so there's nothing to debate.

That said, the driver could have been more courteous, but he might be a normally courteous driver who felt that it made more sense to make the turn as he did, rather than pass after the turn onto a narrower road.
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Seems to me that if I spent just a few minutes worrying about the right or wrong of every traffic violation I see daily, I'd easily fill up both my days and nights.
This. I'd just call that video riding in traffic. I see the same sort of thing when I'm driving. My typical reaction is to grimace, say something more profane than "jerk!!" And go on with my day.
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Rider got in turn lane earlier than I would have if there were only the one car behind. (would have permitted car to pass me on left in that lane, then gotten over.)

If there were a line of cars behind van, then getting in that turn lane early makes sense, because when would you get over otherwise.
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The cyclist was in the dual turn lane, making a legal left turn.

The motorist did several things wrong:

1. Turning left from the straight-thru lane
2. Passing the cyclist on the right to make the left turn
3. Not staying behind the cyclist before starting the turn

The OP did one thing wrong:

1. The OP entered the dual-turn lane too early

It was still a situation of the 'I am bigger and faster so I go first', attitude from the motorist.
Assumptions of the motorist's mentality. Pretty much everything that is wrong on the road.

Angry cyclists are almost as bad as angry motorists. I can guarantee EVERY ONE of us here have made mistakes on the road.
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I tend to agree that he entered the turn lane early. He also informed us why. He said that experience has shown if he waits then the cars occupy the turn lane early and block his turn. It's a d@mned if you do d@amned if you don't sorta' thing.

I had a driver perform a very similar maneuver about a year ago. Fortunately for me it was a company vehicle with a "How's my Driving?" and phone number.
I called. The owner of the company answered and wanted to see the pictures. I sent them via email and he responded that he would address it. I didn't see that vehicle again until just recently. It took a wide berth while passing. I don't know if it's the same driver or not but the company owner seemed genuinely troubled by the drivers action. I looked, I've deleted the pix/video and can't repost.
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