Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 49
  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Birmingham, Alabama
    My Bikes
    Kent Gran Concor 10 speed, Western Flyer 10 speed, JC Higgins (Sears) cruiser
    Posts
    112
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Are we creating our own hazards?

    I'm asking this questions from both sides of the ball. I have good luck "burning" in city traffic away from the main roads, making efforts to move like a car (and very predictably) or stay out of the way. I also ride country roads and trails (with limited room for cyclists) and again I'm moving on. Motorists do seem to steer wide. However, Sanford University seems to be another issue with a few certain cyclists that dart through 55mph traffic sending cars across the median of the main road there. One about got a mouthful of a green Kia then a second helping of an F150 this way. While I know there are quite a few "brainless motorists" around here, I wonder how much of it stems from US CYCLISTS.
    Dispite all my rage I'm still just a rat in a cage...

  2. #2
    Senior Member howsteepisit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Eugene, OR
    My Bikes
    Mecian
    Posts
    2,941
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    1) What is 'burning"

    2) What happened at Stanford?

    Edit

    3) What do you mean that you are "moving on"
    Recycle, Reclaim, Reuse and Repair
    The 4 Rs to save the planet

    "Toes"

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    New Rochelle, NY
    My Bikes
    too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
    Posts
    21,703
    Mentioned
    53 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Idiots are idiots no matter how many wheels they have under them.

    I'm not one who stops and waits for lights to turn green, but go crazy watching cyclists burn through reds with no concern about cross traffic. I still have a scar on my left arm from when I stopped at a red (4 lane busy highway) and was hit from behind by a cyclist planning to dash across without stopping.
    FB
    Chain-L site

    An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

    “Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

    “One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

    WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Eugene, Oregon
    Posts
    4,866
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    Idiots are idiots no matter how many wheels they have under them.
    True that, but with very few exceptions they only kill when they have four or more wheels under them. I would rather have a few scars from a JAB than a more serious injury from a JAM.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    New Rochelle, NY
    My Bikes
    too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
    Posts
    21,703
    Mentioned
    53 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    True that, but with very few exceptions they only kill when they have four or more wheels under them. I would rather have a few scars from a JAB than a more serious injury from a JAM.
    There we agree. Four wheeled idiots are capable of killing anybody including themselves, while 2 wheeled idiots only kill themselves (generally).

    But this is the world we live in. I have little hope of changing those around me, so I control what I can (myself).

    Meanwhile, though some people portray cycling in traffic as dangerous, my experience is that it's comparatively safe. Most drivers are fine and attentive (even in the cell phone world), and if we count close calls, minor accidents, major accidents, and accidents with fatalities or serious injuries we see that the ratio of actual serious accidents to close calls is pretty favorable.

    Looking at it another way, if we look at the deaths of cyclists, we find that the vast majority die from something not related to cycling at all.
    FB
    Chain-L site

    An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

    “Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

    “One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

    WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Kent Wa.
    My Bikes
    1935 Raleigh Sports X,1970 Robin Hood, Flying Pigeon, Ross hi-tec, Schwinn Phantom
    Posts
    1,054
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    Idiots are idiots no matter how many wheels they have under them.

    I'm not one who stops and waits for lights to turn green, but go crazy watching cyclists burn through reds with no concern about cross traffic. I still have a scar on my left arm from when I stopped at a red (4 lane busy highway) and was hit from behind by a cyclist planning to dash across without stopping.
    Exactly, its the person, not the vehicle.

    As with anything else, some feel entitled by their sense of moral or social superiority, others seek attention by creating conflict or being a victim, and some are simply so narcissistic they don't comprehend their effect on others.

    If somebody rides like a jerk, they probably drive like a jerk too........because they are a jerk.

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Birmingham, Alabama
    My Bikes
    Kent Gran Concor 10 speed, Western Flyer 10 speed, JC Higgins (Sears) cruiser
    Posts
    112
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
    1) What is 'burning"

    2) What happened at Stanford?

    Edit

    3) What do you mean that you are "moving on"
    "Burning" and "moving on" both mean going fast.

    This happened at Sanford, not Stanford. Sanford Bulldogs is in Alabama. Stanford Red Birds is up north. Do we need to clarify with mascots?

    My main question is how often the fact some cyclists appear not to use common sense and fail to obey traffic laws affects motorist-at-large treatment of most cyclists.
    Last edited by lectraplayer; 03-14-14 at 07:06 PM.
    Dispite all my rage I'm still just a rat in a cage...

  8. #8
    Senior Member howsteepisit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Eugene, OR
    My Bikes
    Mecian
    Posts
    2,941
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Sorry about sanford, but you still have not referenced or explained what happened there. But generally yes, I think many of the bad thoughts about cyclists are supported by their own behavior. OTOH, some motorists would despise bicyclists even of they only rode on sidewalks and bike paths, provided at some point those same cyclists crossed the road.
    Recycle, Reclaim, Reuse and Repair
    The 4 Rs to save the planet

    "Toes"

  9. #9
    Quirky Grifter LesterOfPuppets's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Vancouver, USA
    My Bikes
    My War
    Posts
    21,092
    Mentioned
    63 Post(s)
    Tagged
    9 Thread(s)
    Maybe nothing specific happened at Sanford, them college kids are just crazy! Probably hopped up on maryjane.
    1980ish Free Spirit Sunbird fixed * 1996 Mongoose IBOC Zero-G * 1997 KHS Comp * 1990-ish Scapin * Lemond Buenos Aires Triple

  10. #10
    Senior Member Worknomore's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    SE Michigan
    My Bikes
    Serotta CRL, Litespeed Blue Ridge, Bacchetta Ti Aero, Cannondale delta V
    Posts
    270
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
    Sorry about sanford.
    Clutching chest, flailing about the room; "Elizabeth honey.....I'm coming to meet you.....I'm having the big one"!
    Litespeed Blue Ridge, Serotta Colorado CRL, Cannondale Delta-V, Bacchetta Ti-Aero

  11. #11
    Nobody mconlonx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    5,367
    Mentioned
    8 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by lectraplayer View Post
    I wonder how much of it stems from US CYCLISTS.
    Much, much less.
    I know next to nothing. I am frequently wrong.

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Birmingham, Alabama
    My Bikes
    Kent Gran Concor 10 speed, Western Flyer 10 speed, JC Higgins (Sears) cruiser
    Posts
    112
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    Maybe nothing specific happened at Sanford, them college kids are just crazy! Probably hopped up on maryjane.
    Quote Originally Posted by lectraplayer View Post
    ...However, Sanford University seems to be another issue with a few certain cyclists that dart through 55mph traffic sending cars across the median of the main road there. One about got a mouthful of a green Kia then a second helping of an F150 this way.
    I guess that wasn't an incident? Two cyclists about becoming flats?
    Dispite all my rage I'm still just a rat in a cage...

  13. #13
    Quirky Grifter LesterOfPuppets's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Vancouver, USA
    My Bikes
    My War
    Posts
    21,092
    Mentioned
    63 Post(s)
    Tagged
    9 Thread(s)
    We had an elderly gentleman drive the wrong way down the freeway here a couple weeks ago. Not sure what colors the cars were but they turned out various shades of grey and black.

    That was probably Mary Jane related also

    So was there a newspaper report about the cyclist attempting to eat cars? Gotta link to the Sanford police blotter? Your description was so colorful I didn't know if it was an actual occurrence or a hypothetical one, possibly an amalgamation.

    Ain't nothing wrong with color commentary but some dry play - by - play to accompany it is much appreciated.

    Something with dates, times, etc, like:

    84-year-old wrong-way driver in I-5 crash dies in second fatality | OregonLive.com
    1980ish Free Spirit Sunbird fixed * 1996 Mongoose IBOC Zero-G * 1997 KHS Comp * 1990-ish Scapin * Lemond Buenos Aires Triple

  14. #14
    Quirky Grifter LesterOfPuppets's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Vancouver, USA
    My Bikes
    My War
    Posts
    21,092
    Mentioned
    63 Post(s)
    Tagged
    9 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by lectraplayer View Post
    Two cyclists about becoming flats?
    I hope they brought their patch kits
    1980ish Free Spirit Sunbird fixed * 1996 Mongoose IBOC Zero-G * 1997 KHS Comp * 1990-ish Scapin * Lemond Buenos Aires Triple

  15. #15
    Senior Member dynodonn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    6,859
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by lectraplayer View Post
    .....However, Sanford University seems to be another issue with a few certain cyclists that dart through 55mph traffic sending cars across the median of the main road there. One about got a mouthful of a green Kia then a second helping of an F150 this way. While I know there are quite a few "brainless motorists" around here, I wonder how much of it stems from US CYCLISTS.

    Now if motorists would at least do (or less) the 40 mph speed limit that's posted in front of the university, or even better yet, have the DOT put in better and more non motorized road user crossings, cyclists/peds crossing this particular road would not be such an issue.
    Last edited by dynodonn; 03-16-14 at 10:12 AM.

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Birmingham, Alabama
    My Bikes
    Kent Gran Concor 10 speed, Western Flyer 10 speed, JC Higgins (Sears) cruiser
    Posts
    112
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    Now if motorists would at least do (or less) the 40 mph speed limit that's posted in front of the university, or even better yet, have the DOT put in better and more non motorized road user crossings, cyclists/peds crossing this particular road would not be such an issue.
    Sad thing is there is a paved bicycle trail that cuts right through there. It is seperated a bit from the main road.
    Dispite all my rage I'm still just a rat in a cage...

  17. #17
    Senior Member dynodonn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    6,859
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by lectraplayer View Post
    Sad thing is there is a paved bicycle trail that cuts right through there. It is seperated a bit from the main road.
    ....and with only one signaled crossing, on one end of the campus, for non motorized road users to access it, and yet there are several road crossings for motorists to choose from. One doesn't have to wonder who's creating the hazard.

  18. #18
    24-Speed Machine Chris516's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Wash. Grove, MD
    My Bikes
    2003 Specialized Allez 24-Speed Road Bike
    Posts
    5,083
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by lectraplayer View Post
    I'm asking this questions from both sides of the ball. I have good luck "burning" in city traffic away from the main roads, making efforts to move like a car (and very predictably) or stay out of the way. I also ride country roads and trails (with limited room for cyclists) and again I'm moving on. Motorists do seem to steer wide. However, Sanford University seems to be another issue with a few certain cyclists that dart through 55mph traffic sending cars across the median of the main road there. One about got a mouthful of a green Kia then a second helping of an F150 this way. While I know there are quite a few "brainless motorists" around here, I wonder how much of it stems from US CYCLISTS.
    Cyclists' are not creating their own hazards. They are encountering hazards created by motorists'.

  19. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Kent Wa.
    My Bikes
    1935 Raleigh Sports X,1970 Robin Hood, Flying Pigeon, Ross hi-tec, Schwinn Phantom
    Posts
    1,054
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    Cyclists' are not creating their own hazards. They are encountering hazards created by motorists'.
    Funny, I've been riding for 45 years, and I've never had someone force me to do something stupid or dangerous, I manage to do that all on my own.

    Guess we can't all be perfect.

  20. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Birmingham, Alabama
    My Bikes
    Kent Gran Concor 10 speed, Western Flyer 10 speed, JC Higgins (Sears) cruiser
    Posts
    112
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    Cyclists' are not creating their own hazards. They are encountering hazards created by motorists'.
    Probably if you ask some motorists, they will probably claim they are responding to hazards created by cyclists. We have plenty of "those" cyclists here, and even more of "those" motorists. Maybe there's sonething those of us who has the superpower of common sense needs to know.
    Dispite all my rage I'm still just a rat in a cage...

  21. #21
    Senior Member Astrozombie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    East L.A.(California)
    My Bikes
    Windsor Dover, Gravity Avenue
    Posts
    764
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    We need more police on bikes, ticketing asshat cyclists and making motorists treat us with respect. But a lot of the time we don't earn it with all the idiots i see on department store mtbs
    Assume nothing; Question everything

  22. #22
    Cycle Year Round CB HI's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Honolulu, HI
    Posts
    11,420
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    Cyclists' are not creating their own hazards. They are encountering hazards created by motorists'.
    Quote Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
    Funny, I've been riding for 45 years, and I've never had someone force me to do something stupid or dangerous, I manage to do that all on my own.

    Guess we can't all be perfect.
    How is your post even related to what Chris516 said?

    You make it sound like every cyclist hit by a motorist was at fault because you claim the cyclist did something stupid or dangerous.
    Land of the Free, Because of the Brave.

  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Kent Wa.
    My Bikes
    1935 Raleigh Sports X,1970 Robin Hood, Flying Pigeon, Ross hi-tec, Schwinn Phantom
    Posts
    1,054
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    How is your post even related to what Chris516 said?

    You make it sound like every cyclist hit by a motorist was at fault because you claim the cyclist did something stupid or dangerous.
    No, there is plenty of guilt to go around for all user groups. His implication that everything that happens to a cyclist is a motorists fault is utter nonsense, as is your calculated miscomprehension of my post.

  24. #24
    Quirky Grifter LesterOfPuppets's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Vancouver, USA
    My Bikes
    My War
    Posts
    21,092
    Mentioned
    63 Post(s)
    Tagged
    9 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astrozombie View Post
    But a lot of the time we don't earn it with all the idiots i see on department store mtbs
    Because carbon riding roadies always stop at red lights and wait patiently, never break the 15mph posted down the hill in the cemetery, or the 10mph posted MUPs. Uh-huh.
    1980ish Free Spirit Sunbird fixed * 1996 Mongoose IBOC Zero-G * 1997 KHS Comp * 1990-ish Scapin * Lemond Buenos Aires Triple

  25. #25
    Cycle Year Round CB HI's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Honolulu, HI
    Posts
    11,420
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
    No, there is plenty of guilt to go around for all user groups. His implication that everything that happens to a cyclist is a motorists fault is utter nonsense, as is your calculated miscomprehension of my post.
    He made no such implication. You choose to take it that way, as you do so often in BFs.
    Land of the Free, Because of the Brave.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •