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B. Carfree 03-15-14 09:35 PM

Free Bike Share! Free Public Transit!
 
And all you need to make these fine things happen is to have your air so polluted by cars that authorities get desperate. Oh, and they are also temporarily reducing the number of cars on the road: BBC News - Paris restricts car use after pollution hits high

So, for the next few days, Paris will restrict cars by plate number, offer free public transportation and free bike shares and positively choke on their engine exhaust.

For what it's worth, Milan, Italy has done a few car-free Sundays in the past for the same reason. When their air becomes overly toxic for twelve straight days, they don't allow cars to operate in the city from 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM on the ensuing Sunday.

While these are baby steps in dealing with one of the more visible problems of car dependence, they are steps that the US has not yet taken. I'm impressed that some Europeans are willing to acknowledge that cars have huge impacts and, by implication from their actions, much car use is entirely discretionary.

kickstart 03-15-14 10:44 PM



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Folks are a lot more interested and willing to listen when the message isn't foul with smug, self righteous rantings. Effort is best spent addressing actual issues with practical solutions in a positive manner, not to pontificate judgmental ideologies based on fashionably anti establishment rhetoric.

prathmann 03-15-14 11:34 PM

The SF Bay Area has designated 'Spare the Air' days when pollution levels are expected to be high. These put some restrictions on individuals, such as no wood-burning fireplaces, and additional ones on industry, but they have yet to restrict car use although car-pooling and mass transit is especially encouraged on these days. A few years ago the area had some grant money to provide free public transit on these days, but that program has lapsed. Of course a few unnamed cycling enthusiasts took advantage of that system by planning rides on 'Spare the Air' days that started with a free BART ride into the city followed by a nice ride over the Golden Gate into Sausalito and continuing through Belvidere and Tiburon to the Larkspur ferry where one could catch a free ride across the bay back to downtown SF and then BART back home.

Fortunately our pollution levels even on 'Spare the Air' days don't appear to be nearly as bad as they were years ago when a rather thick haze of smog was fairly common. So I doubt there will be the political will to enact some of the more severe restrictions mentioned in the OP.

howsteepisit 03-16-14 12:37 AM

And once again, a mistaken understanding of free. The busses, trains and workers are not going to work for free, so the French taxpayers will pick up the tab, cost my be dispersed across a wider population, but its certainly not free.

CB HI 03-16-14 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by howsteepisit (Post 16581568)
And once again, a mistaken understanding of free. The busses, trains and workers are not going to work for free, so the French taxpayers will pick up the tab, cost my be dispersed across a wider population, but its certainly not free.

Since you do not like the word 'free' for those they wish to encourage to use the bike share and mass transit, what word(s) do you propose they use?

Looigi 03-16-14 10:29 AM

Subsidized. If there's no direct user fee, then it's 100% subsidized by the taxpayers.

The times I spent visiting Europe the vehicles seemed significantly more polluting that what it seems like in the US. Lots more obviously smelly smoky exhausts, 2 stroke motorcycles and scooters, and diesels. Of course this was nothing compared to what I experienced in Asia.

howsteepisit 03-16-14 10:35 AM

Subsidized or publicly funded work fine for me, Does anybody think that any publicly funded or private industry supported is really free? If so I would suggest taking a basic economics course.

B. Carfree 03-16-14 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by howsteepisit (Post 16582294)
Subsidized or publicly funded work fine for me, Does anybody think that any publicly funded or private industry supported is really free? If so I would suggest taking a basic economics course.

Yes, governments subsidize many things, like water systems, agriculture, park spaces and so on. However, subsidizing the least-polluting transportation options has the benefit of being rational, compared to the obviously irrational subsidies we give to private automobile (ab)use.

howsteepisit 03-16-14 11:15 AM

I never disputed the advantages/disadvantages of subsidizing anything, only the impression that anything is without cost. How about if they were to say that user fees are suspended when pollution rises to a certain level?

CB HI 03-16-14 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by howsteepisit (Post 16582294)
Subsidized or publicly funded work fine for me, Does anybody think that any publicly funded or private industry supported is really free? If so I would suggest taking a basic economics course.

Everything public, including transit is subsidized. Even private supported is funded by other individuals, is subsidized by the individuals who buy the product of the industry. Maybe it is you that needs a basic economics course.

The word 'free' works just fine to let riders and bicycle renters know that there will not be any direct charge to them for the designated time period.

One simple word works fine to put the point across, but it puts some mindsets into a tail spin.

kickstart 03-16-14 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16582378)
Yes, governments subsidize many things, like water systems, agriculture, park spaces and so on. However, subsidizing the least-polluting transportation options has the benefit of being rational, compared to the obviously irrational subsidies we give to private automobile (ab)use.


Mass transit, alternative transit, and individual transit all fill legitimate, necessary tasks. Each to its own time and place where most productive and efficient, there isn't one single answer.

It's an arrogant fools errand to judge everyones need by your own.

CB HI 03-16-14 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kickstart (Post 16583154)
It's an arrogant fools errand to judge everyones need by your own.

Get real, B. Carfree is not judging based on his needs. The huge amount of very large single occupant vehicles falls far outside the limit of NEED. You seem to confuse desire with need.

kickstart 03-16-14 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CB HI (Post 16583192)
Get real, B. Carfree is not judging based on his needs. The huge amount of very large single occupant vehicles falls far outside the limit of NEED. You seem to confuse desire with need.

Wow, you guys know a persons needs just by looking at them!
No wounder you guys know it all, and feel justified to speak for all of humanity. Maybe you should get together and come up with a comprehensive list of what's "need" and what's "desire", and what form of transportation must be selected for each use. Maybe a graph or points system that takes into account distance, terrain, climate, physical ability, cargo capacity, income, commitment schedules, lifestyle, and perhaps even allow for some recreational use too.
I'm confident you guys can do it, you have the answer for everything with a certainty that there can be no possible alternative. Must be a real burden to be better and smarter than everyone else, makes me thankful I'm not.




"get real"?
More likely you see what you want/need to see to make yourself feel morally superior.

CB HI 03-16-14 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kickstart (Post 16583346)
Wow, you guys know a persons needs just by looking at them!
No wounder you guys know it all, and feel justified to speak for all of humanity. Maybe you should get together and come up with a comprehensive list of what's "need" and what's "desire", and what form of transportation must be selected for each use. Maybe a graph or points system that takes into account distance, terrain, climate, physical ability, cargo capacity, income, commitment schedules, lifestyle, and perhaps even allow for some recreational use too.
I'm confident you guys can do it, you have the answer for everything with a certainty that there can be no possible alternative. Must be a real burden to be better and smarter than everyone else, makes me thankful I'm not.




"get real"?
More likely you see what you want/need to see to make yourself feel morally superior.

Here you go, off the deep end again. Your pretty naive if you think every person on the freeway NEEDS to be in a single occupied car.

kickstart 03-16-14 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CB HI (Post 16583873)
Here you go, off the deep end again. Your pretty naive if you think every person on the freeway NEEDS to be in a single occupied car.

Of course not, but what burning bush gave you the right to pass judgement them, or decide how they should conduct their affairs.

Personal transportation will continue to evolve, increase in demand, and always be necessary. Get over it,or better yet, try to be a participant in positive change rather than hinder it with divisive rhetoric.

CB HI 03-16-14 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kickstart (Post 16583910)
Of course not, but what burning bush gave you the right to pass judgement them, or decide how they should conduct their affairs.

Personal transportation will continue to evolve, increase in demand, and always be necessary. Get over it,or better yet, try to be a participant in positive change rather than hinder it with divisive rhetoric.

How have I passed judgement on THEM? I simply stated a fact. You are the one passing judgement on so many posters here, declaring you know what their motives and complete beliefs are. You really should look in the mirror with your claims of passing judgement.

kickstart 03-16-14 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CB HI (Post 16583935)
How have I passed judgement on THEM? I simply stated a fact. You are the one passing judgement on so many posters here, declaring you know what their motives and complete beliefs are. You really should look in the mirror with your claims of passing judgement.

When you spout bile to incite a reaction, you don't get to cry foul when it does. It seems you can dish it out but can't take it.

Posting here is an open invitation for the ideas to be commented on and criticized. My judgments of ideas presented here don't go beyond my opinions being shared here. I'm not forcing my ideas on others in the real world as you and others claim they do, nor would I try to stop you from doing your thing. The wrongs of others are not license to do wrong likewise.
Do you not comprehend that if your words and/or actions rankle your fellow cyclists, that it presents an even worse image of cycling to the other 98% who don't ride, but have the power to decide how we do?

Believe it or not I actually agree with most of what you say, just not how you say it, try to go about getting it, or pretending its beyond question .
I would like to see significant reduction of individual motor vehicle use in urban centers, I'm on the road 10 hours a day in the metropolitan Seattle area, do you think I like it being jammed with single occupant vehicles? I support better education and enforcement in regards to the rights and laws pertaining to bicycles. I support improving the public transit system, I support continuing to expanding the bicycle infrastructure and improving what is sub standard.

CB HI 03-16-14 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kickstart (Post 16584084)
When you spout bile to incite a reaction, you don't get to cry foul when it does. It seems you can dish it out but can't take it.

Posting here is an open invitation for the ideas to be commented on and criticized. My judgments of ideas presented here don't go beyond my opinions being shared here. I'm not forcing my ideas on others in the real world as you and others claim they do, nor would I try to stop you from doing your thing. The wrongs of others are not license to do wrong likewise.
Do you not comprehend that if your words and/or actions rankle your fellow cyclists, that it presents an even worse image of cycling to the other 98% who don't ride, but have the power to decide how we do?

Believe it or not I actually agree with most of what you say, just not how you say it, try to go about getting it, or pretending its beyond question .
I would like to see significant reduction of individual motor vehicle use in urban centers, I'm on the road 10 hours a day in the metropolitan Seattle area, do you think I like it being jammed with single occupant vehicles? I support better education and enforcement in regards to the rights and laws pertaining to bicycles. I support improving the public transit system, I support continuing to expanding the bicycle infrastructure and improving what is sub standard.

You are pointless. You create your own absurd reactions to others post.

kickstart 03-16-14 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CB HI (Post 16584121)
You are pointless. You create your own absurd reactions to others post.

Yes, I understand you don't get it.....you may have the last word.

howsteepisit 03-16-14 11:52 PM

So CB HI, we agree that this is not free, but you think calling it free is fine, and I don't Ok I am good with that.

Comment: I am quite well educated beyond the basic level in economics thank you.

CB HI 03-17-14 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by howsteepisit (Post 16584266)
So CB HI, we agree that this is not free, but you think calling it free is fine, and I don't Ok I am good with that.

Comment: I am quite well educated beyond the basic level in economics thank you.

But you want to use words that do not convey that the user at the moment does not have to pay anything. In essence, that is as free as it gets and conveys that the user does not have to pay any additional funds.

Public bus service that charges the user $3.00 per ride tells people the bus fee is $3.00. But by your standard, you want them to advertise the charge is $18 dollars per ride. Sort of makes it confusing for those getting on the bus to know how much they will be charged. Your attitude on this serves no useful purpose. It is just an anal exercise with no benefit.

CB HI 03-17-14 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kickstart (Post 16584213)
Yes, I understand you don't get it.....you may have the last word.

Your the one that twisted B. Carfree's post and then threw insults at him based on your lack of understanding. You do that fairly often.

howsteepisit 03-17-14 08:53 AM

In my opinion, it is important for bus riders to know the actual cost of riding the bus is whatever it is, as we should be aware of true costs. I am fine with that suggestion, thanks for making it. And had the headline read User fees suspended I'd be fine with that.

I am not fine with saying that if something has no cost at the moment, then its free, or has no cost.


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