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Old 03-18-14, 01:01 PM   #26
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thats what licenseplates are for; "returning" that cup


ive never had a driver stop, when i stop next to them, they realize their action didnt scare me a single bit and they take off like theyre on fire (even seen ppl run red lights)
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Old 03-18-14, 02:15 PM   #27
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I love when something like that happen. It's a good way to release all the steam life created inside ;-)
For others I suggest to use a camera to protect yourself, and to share faces of all the a-holes with the world, who are unable to understand our way of transportation and sharing the road idea.
Some are saying " what if he have a gun?" ...well...it will be his problem, not mine...right?
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Old 03-18-14, 04:36 PM   #28
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I can't recall being bullied by a driver. Perhaps it has happened, but I doubt it.

Thing is I am a (retired for now) rugby player first and a cyclist second.

But I wasn't a fool either. There were some roads known for jerks and I generally avoided them.

DOH, can think of one attempt to bully, but not a car, a jerk on a rice rocket. But as I said I'm a Rugby player first, specifically a front row forward (think offensive lineman) and I'd just climbed to the top of Mulholland from the beach, I was to tired to be intimidated. (The Hells angel who passed me later was polite and in fact throttled down and glided past me).
Being bullied by a driver, has happened to me. On more than one occasion, despite going at or close to the posted speed limit, I have experienced a motorist being extremely close to my back tire. Being stopped at a red light doesn't matter to me. It is when I am moving and they are crowding me, that ticks me off.
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Old 03-18-14, 04:45 PM   #29
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I know a lot of people don't live in civilization, and this approach wouldn't work for them, but I'd be on the phone to 911. I'm reasonably confident that I would get an appropriate response. Someone like that needs police attention, they are probably beating their wife and torturing animals.
If the police department doesn't take a 'had to see it, to believe it' stance. When it comes to a report being made by a cyclist.
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If the police department doesn't take a 'had to see it, to believe it' stance. When it comes to a report being made by a cyclist.
Most police actually take a middle ground. They are quite happy to go after a guy that they have a good chance of busting.

BUT if the person making the complaint is the only witness they have almost no chance of winning a court case.

If you and your riding buddies are the only witnesses there is a very good chance that the police action or inaction will depend a lot on the face you present to them. If both you and your buddies come of as calm and with the potential to stand up well in court they are a lot more apt to want to give it a try than if you all come off as hotheaded jerks.
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I'm going to correct post 23.

Thinking of witnesses and police 'we had to see it' reminded of one motorist who did bully me. To their regret.

It was a major road crossing under a freeway and the road reduced from 3 lanes going my way to 2 right after it passed the freeway off ramp. Good for me as I would make a right there so guarantee there was no car wanting to go straight on my tail when I turned right.

I had a green light, a car turning right against decided to go, even though that meant forcing me across 2 lanes (unless I wanted to be sideswiped). I clicked out dabbed down a foot and yelled out something like 'What the **** are you doing'. The whole time I suspected that was exactly what the driver would do, so I was ready and all my concentration was on their actions.

Doh! Forgot to tell you one thing. There was some police activity at the onramp on the other side. The kind of thing most of us do look at a bit and take in. All I remember or saw was that there was at least one car and 2 motorcycles, I think 3 police motor officers. Oh and one Motor officer heard me early enough to look my way, see what happened and take off like a bat out of hell after the driver.
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I'm going to correct post 23.

Thinking of witnesses and police 'we had to see it' reminded of one motorist who did bully me. To their regret.

It was a major road crossing under a freeway and the road reduced from 3 lanes going my way to 2 right after it passed the freeway off ramp. Good for me as I would make a right there so guarantee there was no car wanting to go straight on my tail when I turned right.

I had a green light, a car turning right against decided to go, even though that meant forcing me across 2 lanes (unless I wanted to be sideswiped). I clicked out dabbed down a foot and yelled out something like 'What the **** are you doing'. The whole time I suspected that was exactly what the driver would do, so I was ready and all my concentration was on their actions.

Doh! Forgot to tell you one thing. There was some police activity at the onramp on the other side. The kind of thing most of us do look at a bit and take in. All I remember or saw was that there was at least one car and 2 motorcycles, I think 3 police motor officers. Oh and one Motor officer heard me early enough to look my way, see what happened and take off like a bat out of hell after the driver.
I just love a story with a happy ending.
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Most police actually take a middle ground. They are quite happy to go after a guy that they have a good chance of busting.

BUT if the person making the complaint is the only witness they have almost no chance of winning a court case.

If you and your riding buddies are the only witnesses there is a very good chance that the police action or inaction will depend a lot on the face you present to them. If both you and your buddies come of as calm and with the potential to stand up well in court they are a lot more apt to want to give it a try than if you all come off as hotheaded jerks.
In this county, the only time they do something concerning a cyclist, is when they can find fault with the cyclist. But they don't need a bike accident to do that around here.
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I just love a story with a happy ending.
Guess that makes it time to tell about the time no one got doored.

On a club ride the route came to the beach near the Ventura County Fairgrounds. When it cut under the freeway is a short but steep hill. Coming down it I was in the front and a guy in a pickup suddenly opened his door. There was plenty of room to go around it, but I was concerned about the sightlines for others farther back (like most hazards if the cyclist in front of you barely reacts in time to a door you likely don't have the time). So I yelled out DOOR!!! I can be loud, I must have scared the guy, he dove back in his pickup and closed the door behind him.
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If a driver has already demonstrated his attitude by stopping to block you, there's little hope of gaining anything by engaging him in any way. Pass him, and if there's a one way street turn up it the wrong way. Otherwise do what you need to avoid a confrontation with an obviously crazy person.

I agree here. Most people who are heated enough to stop their car in front of you aren't coming out of the car to have a friendly discussion filled with logic. I'd avoid them at all costs.
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Guess that makes it time to tell about the time no one got doored.

…Coming down it I was in the front and a guy in a pickup suddenly opened his door. There was plenty of room to go around it, but I was concerned about the sightlines for others farther back (like most hazards if the cyclist in front of you barely reacts in time to a door you likely don't have the time). So I yelled out DOOR!!! I can be loud, I must have scared the guy, he dove back in his pickup and closed the door behind him.

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My cardinal rule …is “Like a gun, assume every stopped car is loaded (with an occupant ready to exit).”, and that holds true for both sides of a vehicle…
Even though I ride wide of stopped cars, sometimes doors are opened in front or next to me. It’s been my usual experience that a loud yell will invariably cause the occupant to retract back in the vehicle like a turtle’s head into its shell. The trick is to be far enough away from the vehicle to avoid the door in the first place.
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