Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 36
  1. #1
    Senior Member jowilson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Mesa, AZ
    My Bikes
    1992 Trek 800 Antelope, 1971 Triumph
    Posts
    561
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    What do you do when someone stops you in the lane?

    About three months ago, I had an incident occur involving me and a driver. I was JRA and a driver in a white car passed me within 2 feet. It happens all the time, and it pisses me off, but even the police around here do that, and they don't strictly (if at all) enforce the 3-foot law. So he passed closely and I just ignored it. About 50 feet in front of me, he stopped in the right side of the right lane, to block me from going forward. He also blocked another driver from exiting a parking lot, so that driver saw this part of the incident. But I was going ~20mph and had no intention of stopping to hear what this driver had to say or whatever, so I simply rode around the left, as if to avoid a hazard. Being dumbfounded and already angry, he accelerated up to me quickly and as soon as I heard the tires screech, I was up on the sidewalk (there's this thing with being hit by cars I really don't like). He sped up to me and slowed down when we were next to each other, rolled his window down, and threw a cup of water at me. I cursed and yelled at him, and then looked around to see if anyone had watched this. Nope.

    Later, I thought back on it and wondered if I had done the right thing. Should I have stopped to talk to the driver, and explained my rights to him? Should I have reported an assault?

    If someone ever stops you in the road, do you listen to what they have to say? Or just ride past them?

    Josh
    The sun'll come out tomorrow.

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    New Rochelle, NY
    My Bikes
    too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
    Posts
    22,536
    Mentioned
    69 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    If a driver has already demonstrated his attitude by stopping to block you, there's little hope of gaining anything by engaging him in any way. Pass him, and if there's a one way street turn up it the wrong way. Otherwise do what you need to avoid a confrontation with an obviously crazy person.

    In the few situations where I've run into this, I've used the one way street, or run a light. In one case someone chased me through a red, but only once ever. (where's a cop when you need one.)

    Otherwise, if there's any businesses around, ride up and step inside. He won't attack in front of witnesses.
    FB
    Chain-L site

    An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

    “Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

    “One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

    WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.

  3. #3
    Cycle Dallas MMACH 5's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Land of Gar, TX
    My Bikes
    Lucinda--2010 Jamis Aurora Elite & a few others
    Posts
    3,413
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    It's been my experience that if a driver sees you take a picture of his license plate with your cell phone, he'll bug out. Your mileage may vary.
    That's gonna leave a mark.

  4. #4
    Senior Member howsteepisit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Eugene, OR
    My Bikes
    Mecian
    Posts
    2,988
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    One he threw the water (acid, lye other poison?) i'd report an assault, and be sure to record the license plate number however you can. Otherwise, FB NY calls it right in my opinion.
    Recycle, Reclaim, Reuse and Repair
    The 4 Rs to save the planet

    "Toes"

  5. #5
    Senior Member koolerb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Upstate NY
    My Bikes
    Giant, Mongoose, Cannondale
    Posts
    783
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    If their acting like that you already know where their head is at. I don't think stopping to lecture does a bit of good. I usually just ignore them them and keep on going. But I'll admit it, every once in a while I'll get mad enough to hurl a few expletives. Not often though.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    New Rochelle, NY
    My Bikes
    too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
    Posts
    22,536
    Mentioned
    69 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Many year ago, when I was young brash and rash (and fast), I once made an unflattering comparison between a driver's horn and his wife. It took me about 20 minutes of hard work to finally shake him. Lesson learned.
    FB
    Chain-L site

    An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

    “Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

    “One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

    WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Kent Wa.
    My Bikes
    1935 Raleigh Sports X,1970 Robin Hood, Flying Pigeon, Ross hi-tec, Schwinn Phantom
    Posts
    1,254
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Ignoring stupid people is usually best, they have already demonstrated a lack of self control, will likely escalate the situation if confronted, and anything you say will most likely validate their outrage in their mind.

    It's also possible that in the heat of the moment you may end up doing or saying something that could be turned against you by the law.

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Eugene, Oregon
    Posts
    5,008
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I've stopped and chatted with a few nutcase motorists (perhaps redundant). Sometimes it was because I didn't have much choice, like when a truck driver got out of his rig with a crow bar (he put it down and apologized before any blows were exchanged). Other times it was by choice. In one instance a motorist laid on his horn when I was riding clear of the door-zone bike lane. When the bike lane was again safe, I pulled into it and he pulled up next to me and rolled down his passenger window. We had a very brief, very polite conversation over his nine-year-old son while we moved down the road. He learned about door-zone bike lanes and I had my habit of not flipping horn honkers off reinforced.

    I'm a reasonably large and fit man. I have extensive martial arts training. I'm also somewhat chatty. Since if someone really wanted to do me great harm, they could simply run me over or shoot me while driving, I don't think I increase my risk by stopping and chatting, even when they obviously have bees in their bonnets. Almost every encounter has ended with a handshake and new insight for what it's like for someone on a bike. (I already know what it's like from the seat of a motorized couch.)

    We don't educate or train our citizens in how to operate a motor vehicle nor do we encourage/require that they know the relevant laws in order to drive. When they encounter someone who rides competently and confidently, it's a new experience for them and predictably some of them think the situation is not just unusual but is not allowed. I give them the appropriate vehicle code references and explain why they are written the way they are. Everyone is happy to blame the bureaucrats and legislators for all that is wrong, so we at least have that common ground.

  9. #9
    Senior Member dynodonn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    6,881
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Close pass, and then an attempted block on the motorist's part, I wouldn't have stopped until I was well clear of the motorist, and then I'd being calling law enforcement right after having an object being thrown at me. If this happened to me, I would have had a video recording of the incident, since I record all my commutes with the front and rear video cameras attached to my bike.

  10. #10
    Randomhead
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    12,864
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I know a lot of people don't live in civilization, and this approach wouldn't work for them, but I'd be on the phone to 911. I'm reasonably confident that I would get an appropriate response. Someone like that needs police attention, they are probably beating their wife and torturing animals.

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Kent Wa.
    My Bikes
    1935 Raleigh Sports X,1970 Robin Hood, Flying Pigeon, Ross hi-tec, Schwinn Phantom
    Posts
    1,254
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    I've stopped and chatted with a few nutcase motorists (perhaps redundant). Sometimes it was because I didn't have much choice, like when a truck driver got out of his rig with a crow bar (he put it down and apologized before any blows were exchanged). Other times it was by choice. In one instance a motorist laid on his horn when I was riding clear of the door-zone bike lane. When the bike lane was again safe, I pulled into it and he pulled up next to me and rolled down his passenger window. We had a very brief, very polite conversation over his nine-year-old son while we moved down the road. He learned about door-zone bike lanes and I had my habit of not flipping horn honkers off reinforced.

    I'm a reasonably large and fit man. I have extensive martial arts training. I'm also somewhat chatty. Since if someone really wanted to do me great harm, they could simply run me over or shoot me while driving, I don't think I increase my risk by stopping and chatting, even when they obviously have bees in their bonnets. Almost every encounter has ended with a handshake and new insight for what it's like for someone on a bike. (I already know what it's like from the seat of a motorized couch.)

    We don't educate or train our citizens in how to operate a motor vehicle nor do we encourage/require that they know the relevant laws in order to drive. When they encounter someone who rides competently and confidently, it's a new experience for them and predictably some of them think the situation is not just unusual but is not allowed. I give them the appropriate vehicle code references and explain why they are written the way they are. Everyone is happy to blame the bureaucrats and legislators for all that is wrong, so we at least have that common ground.
    Poor driver training and education is the root of the problem, and a general lack of empathy doesn't help the matter.

    I got enough amusment dealing with idiots when I was paid to that I prefer to not deal with it now. It may work out ok most of the time, but that one time in a 100 that it goes really sideways..........and knowing my luck.

    IMO taking the high road by being considerate typically works out the best, a friendly wave often works wonders. You don't necessarily need to capitulate, just acknowledge them before they feel compelled to "do something".
    Last edited by kickstart; 03-18-14 at 01:28 AM.

  12. #12
    Senior Member Jim from Boston's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    3,225
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
    Ignoring stupid people is usually best, they have already demonstrated a lack of self control, will likely escalate the situation if confronted, and anything you say will most likely validate their outrage in their mind.

    It's also possible that in the heat of the moment you may end up doing or saying something that could be turned against you by the law.
    Well said; good advice IMO as a decades-long cycle commuter.

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Lancaster, PA, USA
    My Bikes
    2012 Trek Allant
    Posts
    1,633
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I've never had that happen to me, but if it was obvious that he was trying to block me, I would never pass him. Keep the nuts in front of you. You're lucky it was water and not a bullet.

  14. #14
    Home School Valedictorian 02Giant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Back home in Iowa
    My Bikes
    13 Orbea Orca Bronze 02 Giant Cypress sx 85 Mongoose Switchback
    Posts
    607
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Mace or pepper spray.

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    New Rochelle, NY
    My Bikes
    too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
    Posts
    22,536
    Mentioned
    69 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by 02Giant View Post
    Mace or pepper spray.
    I don't know about where you live, but here in New York, that would be felony assault, unless he physically struck out you first. This is exactly the kind of ratcheting up of a situation kickstart spoke about.

    BTW- these things don't sprout out of thin air. They start from a seed, and escalate. There was no mention of what might have to provoked the driver to stop in the first place. I don't say he doesn't have obvious problems, but I don't think he stopped to assault every cyclist he passed. Though I'm not saying the cyclist didn't anything serious to provoke this, there was a genesis, and it escalated. So you have a choice, keep escalating, of break it off. Given the import, and the consequences, I'd rather call it a bad day, break it off and move on.
    FB
    Chain-L site

    An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

    “Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

    “One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

    WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.

  16. #16
    Home School Valedictorian 02Giant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Back home in Iowa
    My Bikes
    13 Orbea Orca Bronze 02 Giant Cypress sx 85 Mongoose Switchback
    Posts
    607
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    I don't know about where you live, but here in New York, that would be felony assault, unless he physically struck out you first. This is exactly the kind of ratcheting up of a situation kickstart spoke about.

    BTW- these things don't sprout out of thin air. They start from a seed, and escalate. There was no mention of what might have to provoked the driver to stop in the first place. I don't say he doesn't have obvious problems, but I don't think he stopped to assault every cyclist he passed. Though I'm not saying the cyclist didn't anything serious to provoke this, there was a genesis, and it escalated. So you have a choice, keep escalating, of break it off. Given the import, and the consequences, I'd rather call it a bad day, break it off and move on.
    You get 50% of the choice, if the other party continues the harassment, playing nice is over. I am not going to run from someone for 20 minutes.

  17. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    New Rochelle, NY
    My Bikes
    too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
    Posts
    22,536
    Mentioned
    69 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by 02Giant View Post
    You get 50% of the choice, if the other party continues the harassment, playing nice is over. I am not going to run from someone for 20 minutes.
    If you're talking about the instance I mentioned, remember that I'm the one who escalated that with my shouted insult. Had I not said what I did, we probably would simply called each other jerks, or used sign language as we tend to do here in NYC and moved on.

    It takes a crazy or crazy angry driver to chase a cyclist. In 45 years I've never run into one who wasn't satisfied with venting his anger with a shout or sign, and even these were very few and far between. Non response (ignore and move on) has always served.

    In less heated cases, conversation also works, but that requires that at least one party stays cool, and can manage the tone down, rather than up. It's worth a try if your temperament allows, but if not working, then break it off and move on.

    BYW- it's amazing what can be achieved with an insincere "I'm sorry, man".
    FB
    Chain-L site

    An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

    “Never argue with an idiot. He will only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.”, George Carlin

    “One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

    WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.

  18. #18
    Senior Member cellery's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Tempe, AZ
    My Bikes
    Trek 2.1, 79 Univega Sportour
    Posts
    412
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I say never interact with the driver who isn't asking you for directions or the time of day. Don't even acknowledge their existence if you can help it - if you're assaulted hit-and-run style like this - best bet is to try and get a plate number, look for witnesses and call the police who will promptly do as close to nothing as possible unless you were severely injured.
    I like food.

  19. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    757
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    josh,

    You did exactly what I would do and what I have done many times. I just go around them left if they are at the light I just cross back to the right in front of them. I never ever stop to hear what they have to say or try to explain the rules of the road or the rules of how you should treat your fellow man. I just tell them to f off while they are screaming and keep riding. You are never gonna convince an a hole he is one and you can escalate the situation into violence.

    The goal is ride have fun, be healthy in body and mind and not get killed, those are the rules I go by.

  20. #20
    24-Speed Machine Chris516's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Wash. Grove, MD
    My Bikes
    2003 Specialized Allez 24-Speed Road Bike
    Posts
    5,163
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The OP reminded me of situation I encountered a couple weeks ago. It was one of the few good weather days in February. I was in front of a pickup truck going 25mph in a 30mph zone. The driver was mouthing off out cyclists' being on the road. So he speeds past me crossing the solid double-yellow line. It was kind of funny. Because, He got stuck in the outside lane at the traffic light. As I approached the red light, it went green and I passed the driver.

    We basically played an (unfriendly)game of leapfrog for several blocks, until I reached my destination. There was no physical contact, and I didn't listen to the drivers' verbal garbage.

    Regardless of the intent of the driver, just pass them. Don't strike up a conversation with them.
    Last edited by Chris516; 03-18-14 at 01:26 PM.

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    pdx
    My Bikes
    2007 carpe diem frame custom build, trek 7.9 frame custom build, custom built chinese carbon fiber road bike, shopping bike
    Posts
    3,314
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    Since if someone really wanted to do me great harm, they could simply run me over or shoot me while driving, I don't think I increase my risk by stopping and chatting, even when they obviously have bees in their bonnets. Almost every encounter has ended with a handshake and new insight for what it's like for someone on a bike. (I already know what it's like from the seat of a motorized couch.)

    I've never ignored or cycled away from a verbal confrontation with a motorist. I also believe that a passive response by cyclists only validates bullying behavior by motorists. I've chatted with angry motorists dozens of times and ~95% of the time these interactions turn out to be positive or neutral interactions.
    This is why motorists hate us, and why I've given up riding on the road...You should be ashamed yourself, and you should be reviled by cyclists everywhere.

  22. #22
    24-Speed Machine Chris516's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Wash. Grove, MD
    My Bikes
    2003 Specialized Allez 24-Speed Road Bike
    Posts
    5,163
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    I've never ignored or cycled away from a verbal confrontation with a motorist. I also believe that a passive response by cyclists only validates bullying behavior by motorists. I've chatted with angry motorists dozens of times and ~95% of the time these interactions turn out to be positive or neutral interactions.
    Good point about not validating bullying behavior.

  23. #23
    Senior Member Keith99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    5,808
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    Good point about not validating bullying behavior.
    I can't recall being bullied by a driver. Perhaps it has happened, but I doubt it.

    Thing is I am a (retired for now) rugby player first and a cyclist second.

    But I wasn't a fool either. There were some roads known for jerks and I generally avoided them.

    DOH, can think of one attempt to bully, but not a car, a jerk on a rice rocket. But as I said I'm a Rugby player first, specifically a front row forward (think offensive lineman) and I'd just climbed to the top of Mulholland from the beach, I was to tired to be intimidated. (The Hells angel who passed me later was polite and in fact throttled down and glided past me).
    Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.

  24. #24
    Senior Member Keith99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    5,808
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
    Poor driver training and education is the root of the problem, and a general lack of empathy doesn't help the matter.

    I got enough amusment dealing with idiots when I was paid to that I prefer to not deal with it now. It may work out ok most of the time, but that one time in a 100 that it goes really sideways..........and knowing my luck.

    IMO taking the high road by being considerate typically works out the best, a friendly wave often works wonders. You don't necessarily need to capitulate, just acknowledge them before they feel compelled to "do something".
    Some other little thing sure don't help. Was back in Eagle Rock last weekend. They took out a lane to put in a bike lane. A lane on a busy street that could use it. The then mark it so there is a hashed out area between the bike lane and motor traffic, pushing cyclists right into the door zone. To ride safely one needs to go into the hashed out area.

    I do not find it at all unreasonable for a driver to be upset that the pushy cyclist 'isn't satisfied' with the area marked off for him.

    But I'm also convinced that the vast majority of drivers will respond well to an explanation, especially one that starts by acknowledging that they are right to be upset and then shows them who they should be upset with.
    Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.

  25. #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Orlando, FL
    Posts
    174
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Stopping to engage an irate stranger never goes well, regardless of what the situation is because at the moment, the irate person thinks he/she is right. The way I vent on the road (in my vehicle and on my bike) is curse to myself. There's no need to confront the other party because your little lecture to the driver is not going to change the way he/she drives after the incident. it's a waste of everyone's time. The only way, IMO, a driver will change their driving habits is when they're convicted of vehicular homicide on a cyclist.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •