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Old 04-08-14, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
My guess is that most people with USAC licenses don't regularly use Strava.
I think you're mistaken their. You can look at any bike race (iwth USAC licensed racers) and see a significant number (30+%?) of the races posted on Strava. Not sure what the usage within the general population is but I doubt it's that high. I suppose you could look at the number of rides posted from a large century.

There quite a few pros who post their rides under pseudonyms so they're not all out to market themselves.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
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Why not be sociable?
Not to answer for caloso, but what's "sociable" about a virtual e-wang contest compared to physically showing up, pinning on a number, and actually racing with others?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
My guess is that most people with USAC licenses don't regularly use Strava.
Sure. Most cyclists don't use it, racing license or not.

I just out of curiosity started using Strava a week ago. I've noticed many local racers names on the leaderboards, including some of the better ones. Perhaps fewer are using it regularly now compared to several years ago as the novelty has worn off.
I'm not a full season racer, but have purchased many one day USAC licenses for races I've entered over the past years.

In my experience I've found training rides with racers to be more disciplined as far as traffic law. No one is interested in running a light as there is no race and it is more fun and acceptable to close a gap than to attack during training.
Worse behavior is with club rides with a range of abilities and the weaker riders feel like they need to prove something.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
I think you're mistaken their. You can look at any bike race (iwth USAC licensed racers) and see a significant number (30+%?) of the races posted on Strava. Not sure what the usage within the general population is but I doubt it's that high. I suppose you could look at the number of rides posted from a large century.

There quite a few pros who post their rides under pseudonyms so they're not all out to market themselves.
Either my Strava searching skills are really bad, or not many get posted around here.

Florida State Time trial championship this last week, no one out of 150 participants or so appears to have posted. I also looked for the last couple of FRS races and found nothing.

And even if 30% of races show up on Strava, that would only take one person posting. Even if a handful of people posted every race, there are still the hundreds of people who did the same race and didn't post to Strava.
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My point wasn't that no racers use Strava; some do, some don't and I know of several who don't.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
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Why not be sociable?
Who says I'm not? I don't do a lot of organized club or charity rides, but I do go on a few group rides like the Tuesday Night Worlds and I absolutely love the chit chat that occurs on the neutral roll out and the ride back into town. It's one of the highlights of my week.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Either my Strava searching skills are really bad, or not many get posted around here.

Florida State Time trial championship this last week, no one out of 150 participants or so appears to have posted. I also looked for the last couple of FRS races and found nothing.

And even if 30% of races show up on Strava, that would only take one person posting. Even if a handful of people posted every race, there are still the hundreds of people who did the same race and didn't post to Strava.
I meant 30% from a given race not 30% of all races. Maybe there is less participation in flatter locales like Florida where KOMs don't mean much.

Just as an example I looked up Redlands Classic in CA, Mathew Cooke posted his data along with 45 others for the crit (Matt Cooke | Professional Cyclist on Strava). Matt was in the Pro/1/2 crit along with 158 or so others.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Either my Strava searching skills are really bad, or not many get posted around here.

Florida State Time trial championship this last week, no one out of 150 participants or so appears to have posted. I also looked for the last couple of FRS races and found nothing.
Yes, perhaps your searching skills need a tuneup. Here's a bunch of guys who rode on the TT course this weekend (Strava Segment | wpb tt course coming back) including the winner of the men's 35+, Andrew Mills. I adjusted one of the filters to just show this months rides and found at least 15.

Crits and road races are easy to find results for on Strava as everyone rides at the same time. TTs are more difficult as the start times are staggered so Strava doesn't group the riders in the same way.
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^ OK, it may be more prevelant than I thought. As you can see I don't really use it, although I opened an account a year or two ago.

I don't really see the sense though of posting files on Strava for a time trial though. The times are posted. Everybody can see what everyone else road, without Strava. I guess if you got actual power data, as oppossed to extrapolated, that could be of interest.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
I don't really see the sense though of posting files on Strava for a time trial though.
If running from a cell phone it is automatic as long as one starts the app before riding. Some folks like to use it to record all riding so they have a log for themselves.
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
Sure. Most cyclists don't use it, racing license or not.

I just out of curiosity started using Strava a week ago. I've noticed many local racers names on the leaderboards, including some of the better ones. Perhaps fewer are using it regularly now compared to several years ago as the novelty has worn off.
I'm not a full season racer, but have purchased many one day USAC licenses for races I've entered over the past years.

In my experience I've found training rides with racers to be more disciplined as far as traffic law. No one is interested in running a light as there is no race and it is more fun and acceptable to close a gap than to attack during training.
Worse behavior is with club rides with a range of abilities and the weaker riders feel like they need to prove something.
Bolding mine.

One of the better riders in a club I used to ride with had real problems because of people always wanting to beat him. Constant bragging by anyone who ever beat him up a climb, usually described out of contest.

He didn't seem to mind when I detailed the 2 climbs where I beat him to the top. But then I always mentioned that on one he stopped for a natural break and I still barely beat him and on the other I was inattentive and did not see the hot chicks he slowed way down to see more of.
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Originally Posted by rebel1916
WTF is city corporate security?
These are the same kinds of guys who act as security guards around City Hall, Museums, Libraries, Parks, etc. Some of them patrol on bicycles.

They're really nice and helpful guys, actually. On one ride, we had some kids who were just too weak to keep, so the security guard escorted them all back to the meeting point and watched over them while the rest of us completed the ride.
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