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Old 04-29-14, 07:18 PM   #26
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The injunction hearing happened, no decision from the judge yet:

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ETA: According to Facebook, the Judge denied the injunction and she can keep riding at least until the trial. I hope she wins and then wins a big civil case against the government for harassing her.
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Old 04-29-14, 07:21 PM   #27
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The injunction hearing happened, no decision from the judge yet:

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I'd be shocked if the Judge stopped her from riding.. The Judge won't go out on a limb unless it's night and day, case closed..

I think she will win this round and the Judge will allow her to keep riding... For now..

But I think in the end she will loose..
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I'd be shocked if the Judge stopped her from riding.. The Judge won't go out on a limb unless it's night and day, case closed..

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It depends on what level court and the jurisdiction. In most states local court judges are beholden for their jobs to the same political machine as the prosecutors office. I'm not saying this makes them crooked, but if they don't see a serious issues, many go along to get along.

OTOH- if he does issue an injunction, it can be appealed, and possibly she'll get support from interested parties.

It depends how this judge plays the game. Some judges don't like to be reversed, so the safe move would be to move in her favor. OTOH, he can rule against her figuring the injunction will be lifted, but meanwhile he tried to work within the local system.
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You would not take the lane in this situation?
The question to Kickstart was in response to the implication that he would ride FRAP rather than take the lane.

I already know there are a bunch of people here that would ride on the shoulder regardless of the rumble strips and how crappy the shoulder and debris.

I would love to watch kickstart having to repeatedly ride over the rumble strip while merging into the highway lane to avoid debris.
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Google maps suggests this more bike-friendly, more pleasant route, only 3 miles longer:
I looked at that more pleasant route, one section of it is 2 lanes, double yellow line, no shoulder to speak of for one to ride on even if they wanted to do so, and with the same speed limit
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The question to Kickstart was in response to the implication that he would ride FRAP rather than take the lane.

I already know there are a bunch of people here that would ride on the shoulder regardless of the rumble strips and how crappy the shoulder and debris.

I would love to watch kickstart having to repeatedly ride over the rumble strip while merging into the highway lane to avoid debris.
All I can say is I ride as I see fit and it works.

Limiting my lane use to when there are no other reasonable options may not appease the agendas or egos of some, but I'm not getting buzzed, bullied, yelled at, hit, harassed, flat tires, hitting stuff, or wrecking. I don't find myself being inconvenience, or the quality of my ride compromised. Guess I'm lucky the roads I ride on are not strewn with the copious amounts of hyperbolic debris and hazards that plague A&S roads.

My rides are safe, enjoyable, stress free, and I have the personal satisfaction that the vast majority of encounters I have with motorists, pedestrians, and cyclists are positive and productive for both of us, and they feel the same about me.

Folks like you alternate between saying folks like me are doing it wrong, and complaining about how bad others treat cyclists.
Now I'm not the brightest BB in the box, but I can see the obvious here.
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All I can say is I ride as I see fit and it works. ...
And she rides as she sees fit and it works.


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Folks like you alternate between saying folks like me are doing it wrong, and complaining about how bad others treat cyclists.
Please link directly to the post where I told YOU how to ride.

Otherwise, stop using words "Folks like you".
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And she rides as she sees fit and it works.


Please link directly to the post where I told YOU how to ride.
But I'm not the one spending time in court because of how I ride, and I don't recall you telling me how to ride, or saying that you did.
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But I'm not the one spending time in court because of how I ride, and I don't recall you telling me how to ride, or saying that you did.
Nice slight, again blaming cyclists for the bad behavior of motorist.
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Nice slight, again blaming cyclists for the bad behavior of motorist.
Were there motorists behaving badly? Guess I missed that part. I thought it was because she received 3 citations due to numerous complaints.
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Were there motorists behaving badly? Guess I missed that part. I thought it was because she received 3 citations due to numerous complaints.
Does it really need to be spelled out again. Do some read the article and are not able to understand that she is riding legally and safely, but it is the motorist poor driving which create the unsafe conditions.

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Goettl says a deputy sheriff responding to a robbery almost wrecked because Schill backed up traffic.

"He was almost in a wreck because of Miss Schill, and so it added to me another element of danger that I hadn't even thought of before," Goettl said.
Seriously, a deputy sheriff cannot even drive safely in traffic and feels the need to blame it on a legal, safe cyclist.
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The judge ruled against the county - no ban for the bicyclist.

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If it's two lanes like that, isn't it other cars which are slowing down the cars behind her? If cars can't pass her in the passing lane because there are cars there, that's not the rider's fault...

Deputy responding to an emergency would have cars pulling over for them, anyway, also causing traffic.

Why didn't the town plan, pay for, and maintain a wider shoulder on that particular road if they want cyclists to use the shoulder? Don't plan poorly and then blame a road user when it doesn't work out.
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Does it really need to be spelled out again. Do some read the article and are not able to understand that she is riding legally and safely, but it is the motorist poor driving which create the unsafe conditions.

"As her commute put Schill on one of central Kentucky's busiest roads, WKYT watched as she slowed down lines of cars and trucks by the dozen. Schill says she's been called every name in the book.

"You don't get a thick skin to people wishing you harm," Schill said.
Spurred by complaints from drivers, the Jessamine County Sheriff's Office and Nicholasville Police have cited Schill three times in the last month for careless driving on her bike. They say riding a bike on U.S. 27 in a lane of traffic puts Schill and other drivers at risk."


This case isn't about cyclists legally and safely using the road, this case is about one person on a bike creating a problem on those roads on a regular basis. I'm sure other cyclists are using those roads, and apparently without issue as there has been no mention of others creating issues.

Using a public road in a way that draws numerous complaints, citations, and significantly disrupts the flow of traffic is not safe or legal regardless of the method of use.
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Using a public road in a way that draws numerous complaints, citations, and significantly disrupts the flow of traffic is not safe or legal regardless of the method of use.
The legality is in question, which is why it's in court now. The safety of her method is not in question. She has not been hit since she's been riding this way, and if traffic is slowing down to accommodate her, at least they are seeing her. Sounds like safe riding to me.

Should she rather encourage unsafe passing behavior on the part of other drivers by riding as close to the right edge as possible, regardless of safety consequences due to debris? Is lane sharing permitted by KY statute, which would allow a driver to utilize the same lane if she was only inches off the left of the fog line, in the lane of travel?
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This case isn't about cyclists legally and safely using the road, this case is about one person on a bike creating a problem on those roads on a regular basis. I'm sure other cyclists are using those roads, and apparently without issue as there has been no mention of others creating issues.
Agree 110%..

Sadly her actions will effect tens of thousands of cyclists..
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Why didn't the town plan, pay for, and maintain a wider shoulder on that particular road if they want cyclists to use the shoulder? Don't plan poorly and then blame a road user when it doesn't work out.
How wide do shoulders have to be to meet your approval?

The issue of dangerous road debris appears to be greatly inflated on this thread, if the pictures posted are representative of that road. Rumble strips are irrelevant as any sane cyclist does not ride on them, and only crosses them when necessary to get to the right of them. It is hard to imagine any debris so large and extensive that it would require sudden maneuvering over the rumblestrips or into the traffic lanes.
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The legality is in question, which is why it's in court now. The safety of her method is not in question. She has not been hit since she's been riding this way, and if traffic is slowing down to accommodate her, at least they are seeing her. Sounds like safe riding to me.

Should she rather encourage unsafe passing behavior on the part of other drivers by riding as close to the right edge as possible, regardless of safety consequences due to debris? Is lane sharing permitted by KY statute, which would allow a driver to utilize the same lane if she was only inches off the left of the fog line, in the lane of travel?
Is she the only cyclist in that area? I have a hard time believing that. if others can ride in that area safely without complaints or citations there must be good options. She rides because she lost her licence, this and her issues about her choices while riding seem to indicate a pattern of bad judgment. It seems to be about her, not cycling.
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How wide do shoulders have to be to meet your approval?

The issue of dangerous road debris appears to be greatly inflated on this thread, if the pictures posted are representative of that road. Rumble strips are irrelevant as any sane cyclist does not ride on them, and only crosses them when necessary to get to the right of them. It is hard to imagine any debris so large and extensive that it would require sudden maneuvering over the rumblestrips or into the traffic lanes.
Agree!

I'd rather take my chances with a little road debris than with 3,000-10,000 pound vehicles traveling in excess of 50mph..

But hey what do I know, right?

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Is she the only cyclist in that area? I have a hard time believing that. if others can ride in that area safely without complaints or citations there must be good options. She rides because she lost her licence, this and her issues about her choices while riding seem to indicate a pattern of bad judgment. It seems to be about her, not cycling.
Bingo on all points..

Double bingo on what I put in bold!


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How wide do shoulders have to be to meet your approval?
3-4' is good. That's generally when I'll ride them, about a foot to the right of the fog line.

That's what I find practicable, at least. The rider in question here might have different ideas, and as previous posts implied, I have no issue with her taking a position in the right third of the lane.
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Double bingo on what I put in bold!
Why did she lose her license?

Why does the reason why she's cycling matter? She's a cyclist, obeying the law, operating in a safe manner. Has she been hit by a car yet? Or crashed, that you know of?
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These kinds of cases are lousy no matter how they play out. There's a legitimate issue of balancing the cyclist's rights to the road, and the impact of her exercising those rights. Details are important here, since the impact and traffic delays are the bone of contention (the safety issue is flak).

So there's a difference between a situation where she's messing up the flow that otherwise moves OK, or if there's congestion already, and traffic that passes her is back to bumper to bumper a few hundred yards ahead. The condition of the shoulder is also a factor to consider, since whether it's a reasonable option is material.

Hopefully, this judge has Solomon's wisdom, and can work out an acceptable solution, or otherwise will be clear that he's only talking about the one cyclist and not some kind of general rule.
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You have to click on the bicycle icon to see the alternate bike route. Part of the route is Ash Grove and it is busy and narrow. It is worse than taking 27. 27 has a wide shoulder that is "dirty" but very passable.
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You have to click on the bicycle icon to see the alternate bike route. Part of the route is Ash Grove and it is busy and narrow. It is worse than taking 27. 27 has a wide shoulder that is "dirty" but very passable.
Maybe the cars should take the longer route?
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