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It's one of the advantages of cycling. Why not?
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Only when I'm in a hurry and no cars are crossing.
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Dangerous, I never do it.
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It's so cool hipsters are doing it.
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Indiana just passed the "dead red" law ... allows motorcyclists, moped riders and bicyclists to drive through a red light that they've failed to trigger it to turn green, as long as they've stopped for two minutes and then proceed cautiously ... but 2 minutes can seem like eternity. But at least I can be legal.
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Really? You just made a justification for motorists to break traffic laws. They have their reasons and I have mine. If a motorist insists that I follow the law my response would be a resounding "You First!"
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Idaho laws are said to make cyclists safer since they don't have to wait to have motorists stack up behind them. I can't count how many times I've had this happen, it's really annoying
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OTOH- I never use "well, they do X" to justify my doing Y.
I've also never adhered to the notion that what you or I do, somehow reflects on anyone else.
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Dectection systems are so good these days, that it's somewhat unfair to make 2 wheelers wait two minutes rather than improve the sensors. This is an interim step at best. Better would be mandating that sensors be improved as replaced, and all new sensors be 2 wheel friendly. I believe that California took this approach and it doesn't seem to be a burden.
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It's like that here. That's why I push for an upgrade as installed, rather than upgrade immediately. The first doesn't cost anything extra.
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Indiana just passed the "dead red" law ... allows motorcyclists, moped riders and bicyclists to drive through a red light that they've failed to trigger it to turn green, as long as they've stopped for two minutes and then proceed cautiously ... but 2 minutes can seem like eternity. But at least I can be legal.
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My bicycle is a bicycle. It is not a car and cars do not treat my bicycle like a car. When cars treat me like a car I will act like a car and not run red lights. Otherwise, game on.
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I know where you're coming from. OTOH, that kind of attitude won't necessarily help more drivers treat bicycles like cars...
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Dectection systems are so good these days, that it's somewhat unfair to make 2 wheelers wait two minutes rather than improve the sensors. This is an interim step at best. Better would be mandating that sensors be improved as replaced, and all new sensors be 2 wheel friendly. I believe that California took this approach and it doesn't seem to be a burden.
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It's a circumstantial thing, I sincerely hope that people don't run every red light, but I also see no point in waiting at all reds.
I often find situations where I feel it is safer/neccessary to go through a red.
A lot of lights in town won't even acknowledge a bicycle, so I'm forced to proceed through the light (after stopping).
If the intersection is clear and it would be more of a hassle to stop, I go through it.
If it's a hard yellow or just turned red and I have a car behind me, I go through it. I'd rather run a red than be rear ended by someone else trying to speed through one.
Some intersections are always super busy and have 35-45 mph speed limits, I don't even consider running those. I stop and wait.
I often find situations where I feel it is safer/neccessary to go through a red.
A lot of lights in town won't even acknowledge a bicycle, so I'm forced to proceed through the light (after stopping).
If the intersection is clear and it would be more of a hassle to stop, I go through it.
If it's a hard yellow or just turned red and I have a car behind me, I go through it. I'd rather run a red than be rear ended by someone else trying to speed through one.
Some intersections are always super busy and have 35-45 mph speed limits, I don't even consider running those. I stop and wait.
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Example - when the light turned yellow, Land Yacht was in the left lane. Then they switched lanes and accelerated. Doubt they even saw me (blinking lights and blaze yellow be damned). I saw them.
Sorry about blowing the stop line - I was busy keeping unhurt.
FWIW - I choose to obey traffic laws. Driving or Riding - I choose to obey traffic laws. I don't precondition my behavior on the behavior of others. Particularly idiots.
Example - 30 mph speed limit, slowing to 20 mph for the school zone, and a bus indicating to merge from a bus stop. Pay attention to the side mirrors. He tailgated the bus too as far as the eye could see.
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I would absolutely not want to be treated exactly the same as a car.
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mr bill, Your second video is exactly why I ride through hard yellows or a soft red if I have a vehicle behind me. I'd rather be going 15 mph when that white truck nails me than be at a dead stop.
I don't intentionally go out to ignore traffic laws, I want to make it home safely as well. But I always assume that the driver is distracted and does not see me, and I act accordingly.
If the speed limit is low in the area, I do what you did in your first video. I'll get over to the side, so I don't get rear ended.
I don't intentionally go out to ignore traffic laws, I want to make it home safely as well. But I always assume that the driver is distracted and does not see me, and I act accordingly.
If the speed limit is low in the area, I do what you did in your first video. I'll get over to the side, so I don't get rear ended.
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Add in the fact of motorist made the pass maneuver while crossing over a double yellow into oncoming traffic.......if there is any plus side, at least the motorist made the pass after the crosswalk.
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I won't argue that rigidly adhering to traffic laws at all times when riding a bicycle is a bit excessive, a bicycle isn't a car..... but that some take pride in breaking laws as if they are somehow better than everyone else, or justify it because others break laws too is weak.
What we do is either safe and courteous, or its not.
What we do is either safe and courteous, or its not.
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Motorists could not possibly respect our right to the road less than they already do.
Here is a Newsflash: Motorists just want you and your bicycle out of their way. Waiting at a red light so that all of the auto traffic behind you has to figure out how to get around you makes them hate you. Forget respecting you. They hate you and, given your theory, you are making them hate me too.
Here is a Newsflash: Motorists just want you and your bicycle out of their way. Waiting at a red light so that all of the auto traffic behind you has to figure out how to get around you makes them hate you. Forget respecting you. They hate you and, given your theory, you are making them hate me too.
Obviously, there are dudes in cars who don't care about our right to the road and just want us out of the way and that can't be avoided. But I find that I rarely run into said dudes on the roads. They're the rarity that pings in your memory and stands out, because that's how our brains work; we remember threats and forget about the innocuous because innocuous doesn't get us killed. I stop at red lights because it makes sense; I ride in traffic and want to be predictable and want to be seen, stopping at red lights helps me do that.
Now, if you're running red-lights at midnight when no one's around, that's a completely different argument and one I don't have a good opinion on either way.
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running reds and killing peds brah
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A bit tangential to the topic, but a number of new lights around here use small video cameras to sense vehicles. So far they've been completely reliable at detecting me on my bike. I don't know if they're wired up to record scofflaws too.
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The only time I ever do this is under the following conditions:
1) There is absolutely no car traffic around
2) The sensor and or button fails to operate properly after a complete red-green cycle
3) When I am riding with other people and #1 applies and they go for it. If they do this and #1 does not apply then I give them the stink eye when I catch up with them after the light turns green.
1) There is absolutely no car traffic around
2) The sensor and or button fails to operate properly after a complete red-green cycle
3) When I am riding with other people and #1 applies and they go for it. If they do this and #1 does not apply then I give them the stink eye when I catch up with them after the light turns green.
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Never ceases to amaze me how many people conflate a moral sense of right and wrong with traffic law and safety when it should be obvious to a day one road user that they are basically mutually exclusive.
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Cyclists/commuters that run red lights really tick me off, especially slow cyclists. If you're in such hurry that you need to run a red light at least pedal faster you lazy cad. I hate having to continually pass the same d-bag because they run red lights when I stop at them.
Then, there's this argument
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This poll is kind of dumb. I predict the thread gets locked. I'm not voting for any of the current options.
My option would be, "I do it when it's safe. When it's not, I don't."
Also, "when no cars are coming?" Duh. The reality is that in the city most cyclists "run" lights. Contrary to motorist's perception, they DO look before they go. I'm not saying there isn't the occasional nut who doesn't, but people who don't look wouldn't live long around here.
My option would be, "I do it when it's safe. When it's not, I don't."
Also, "when no cars are coming?" Duh. The reality is that in the city most cyclists "run" lights. Contrary to motorist's perception, they DO look before they go. I'm not saying there isn't the occasional nut who doesn't, but people who don't look wouldn't live long around here.
I think there are a lot of less urban riders on faster roads casting stones on the issue because it's not safe for them to run reds based on road speed and road site lines. It's different where we ride. I am safer jumping lights because it alleviates the right hook.
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So I guess I have to ask...
If the Idaho Stop became legal and implemented worldwide, how many of you folks who currently stop and wait at every red light would be able to adjust? If it was legal to go through a red after stopping, would that somehow magically make it safer to do so? Or would you sit there and stare at a red light anyway with no crossing traffic in sight?
I am not waiting for the law to catch up with common sense. As long as I am not infringing on any other road user's right-of-way, why does it matter to them? Do your thing man. Having to pass the same cyclist a couple of times - accomplished by letting up on a pedal briefly, turning a steering wheel about a quarter of an inch, then slightly depressing the pedal again - is a real tragedy.
If the Idaho Stop became legal and implemented worldwide, how many of you folks who currently stop and wait at every red light would be able to adjust? If it was legal to go through a red after stopping, would that somehow magically make it safer to do so? Or would you sit there and stare at a red light anyway with no crossing traffic in sight?
I am not waiting for the law to catch up with common sense. As long as I am not infringing on any other road user's right-of-way, why does it matter to them? Do your thing man. Having to pass the same cyclist a couple of times - accomplished by letting up on a pedal briefly, turning a steering wheel about a quarter of an inch, then slightly depressing the pedal again - is a real tragedy.
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So I guess I have to ask...
If the Idaho Stop became legal and implemented worldwide, how many of you folks who currently stop and wait at every red light would be able to adjust? If it was legal to go through a red after stopping, would that somehow magically make it safer to do so? Or would you sit there and stare at a red light anyway with no crossing traffic in sight?
I am not waiting for the law to catch up with common sense. As long as I am not infringing on any other road user's right-of-way, why does it matter to them? Do your thing man. Having to pass the same cyclist a couple of times - accomplished by letting up on a pedal briefly, turning a steering wheel about a quarter of an inch, then slightly depressing the pedal again - is a real tragedy.
If the Idaho Stop became legal and implemented worldwide, how many of you folks who currently stop and wait at every red light would be able to adjust? If it was legal to go through a red after stopping, would that somehow magically make it safer to do so? Or would you sit there and stare at a red light anyway with no crossing traffic in sight?
I am not waiting for the law to catch up with common sense. As long as I am not infringing on any other road user's right-of-way, why does it matter to them? Do your thing man. Having to pass the same cyclist a couple of times - accomplished by letting up on a pedal briefly, turning a steering wheel about a quarter of an inch, then slightly depressing the pedal again - is a real tragedy.
Its also a significant difference in that the Idaho law doesn't allow "running" a red light, it allows it to be treated as a stop sign.
I have seen a cyclist leap-frog in traffic causing a considerable backup, but it happens so rarely its hardly worth worrying about in reality.