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View Poll Results: Running red lights...
It's one of the advantages of cycling. Why not? 18 15.79%
Only when I'm in a hurry and no cars are crossing. 43 37.72%
Dangerous, I never do it. 49 42.98%
It's so cool hipsters are doing it. 4 3.51%
Voters: 114. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-03-14, 01:00 AM   #201
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Okay, food fight...back to your corners, we aren't going there with this one.
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Old 06-03-14, 07:14 AM   #202
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Okay, food fight...back to your corners, we aren't going there with this one.
You made me think of John Belushi in 'Animal House', when you said 'food fight'. But he was starting one.
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Old 06-03-14, 01:27 PM   #203
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I only do when there is no traffic, and I know the signal can not be changed by anything but a car (which are most all the signals on my commute). In that case I treat the signal as being defective (because it is). Stop, look, and go.
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Old 06-04-14, 02:19 AM   #204
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MHO, everyone who runs a red light or stop sign illegally, should get a ticket, every time! Maybe then it would stop reflecting badly on cyclists. Those who do, are the problem!

Obey the rules, like everyone else.
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A red light is there to be obeyed. There are NO good reasons not to obey the law. Besides when drivers see cyclist whiz thru red lights, they say ----see there cyclist break the law all the time, and it gives all cyclist a bad name.
I generally agree with this sentiment, with the caveat that when the bike sensors are broken (a bunch in my area are), it becomes okay, but only then, and only because there really isn't anything that can be done about it.
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Old 06-04-14, 02:25 AM   #205
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MHO, everyone who runs a red light or stop sign illegally, should get a ticket, every time! Maybe then it would stop reflecting badly on cyclists. Those who do, are the problem!

Obey the rules, like everyone else.
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Dectection systems are so good these days, that it's somewhat unfair to make 2 wheelers wait two minutes rather than improve the sensors. This is an interim step at best. Better would be mandating that sensors be improved as replaced, and all new sensors be 2 wheel friendly. I believe that California took this approach and it doesn't seem to be a burden.
Depends on where you live. I live in a major metropolitan area, and none of the sensors around the local college actually work.
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Old 06-04-14, 06:37 AM   #206
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I insist on 'taking the lane', because motorists can see a cyclist better, that is in their direct-line-of-sight. Not in their peripheral vision.
If you say it often enough maybe for your sake it will always be true.
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Old 06-04-14, 07:29 AM   #207
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Cyclist that run red lights are----------------------------------stupid.

They also do a disservice to the cycling community.
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Old 06-04-14, 08:58 AM   #208
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The poll assumes all signaled intersections are equal, but they are not. Aside from valid reasons already given (eg some signals are activated by triggers that don't see bikes) my answer is that I run red lights when it is safer to do so.

As an example, one of my regular routes takes me down the city's busy main thoroughfare. At one point, there is a cross street with multiple lanes and speedy traffic. I always wait for the green light there, whether the cross street appears clear or not. At the very next intersection is a small cross street which rarely has any traffic at all, and the timing of the lights has me hitting the red almost 100% of the time. I come to a full stop, and if the cross street is clear after a thorough check (and it almost always is) I run this red light because I have to make a left turn at the next intersection which is just a short distance ahead. Running the red means the two traffic lanes I have to cross to access the left turn lane are clear because all the traffic behind me is stopped. Therefore, I can make a safe transition across all lanes. Were I to obey the law here, I would wait for the light to turn green, then immediately begin to merge across two lanes of motor vehicle traffic that is traveling faster than I am, therefore putting myself in danger and pissing off motorists in the process. In this case, I believe running the red is best for all involved, both myself and the motorists around me. Judge me if you must, but I will pick the safest course every time, whether that puts me at odds with the law or not.

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Old 06-04-14, 10:15 AM   #209
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Cyclist that run red lights are----------------------------------stupid.

They also do a disservice to the cycling community.
Or is it demonstrative of it being safe and reasonable so that the laws get changed as happened in Idaho?
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Old 06-04-14, 05:24 PM   #210
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Cyclist that run red lights are----------------------------------stupid.
They also do a disservice to the cycling community.
Just the other day I screamed at a jaywalker that they are doing a disservice to the walker community and they did not even get it. Entitled anarchist law-breaking walkers make us all look bad!!!!1!!!!!!!
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Old 06-05-14, 02:32 PM   #211
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I wish I could say unbelievable.

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Old 06-05-14, 03:03 PM   #212
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Cyclist that run red lights are----------------------------------stupid.

They also do a disservice to the cycling community.
Yes, It justifies a motorist's disgust towards a cyclist in specific. Both cyclists' n' cycling, in general.
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Yes, It justifies a motorist's disgust towards a cyclist in specific. Both cyclists' n' cycling, in general.
I disagree. It may prejudice drivers, but that's exactly what it is, prejudice. It's just as wrong as being hostile towards all drivers because of stupid things you see drivers do (which is generally more common, given the numbers).
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Yes, It justifies a motorist's disgust towards a cyclist in specific. Both cyclists' n' cycling, in general.

LOL. Yeah, by that logic, if an Asian guy punches me unprovoked, that justifies being racist towards Asians.
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Or is it demonstrative of it being safe and reasonable so that the laws get changed as happened in Idaho?
Living two miles from Idaho, please clarify...
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Cyclist that run red lights are----------------------------------stupid.

They also do a disservice to the cycling community.
The largest compound English curse word I know of is 13 letters, were you THAT upset?
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Unbelievable. It's OK to act and ride like a selfish pig because there are bad drivers on the road. But being a bad cyclist is OK. No it's not. YOU are the problem. Good drivers hate selfish pig cyclists as much as good cyclists hate selfish pig drivers...but the drivers can kill. Act like responsible road users and call for our position to be recognised and enforced.
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Act like responsible road users and call for our position to be recognised and enforced.
What a patsy. Do you pull down you pants and stick up your bum when a motorist is angry at you?

I have no need to be recognised. I ride like I am legal traffic and if some fat lazy cager f***s with me they are going to have a very bad day.
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This is turning into anger management class or at the least a sideshow. I'm calling for a closure.
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Discussion has turned into nothing but insults. Closed.
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