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    Quote Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
    I mean, he is blind because he doesn't have a right eye. He told me that once. Amazed as I am that a person with one eye feels comfortable riding a road bike, I still believe that an adult cycling on the sidewalk of a close in suburb with driveways in front of every house with landscaping obstructing the view isn't safe, especially for a person who is blind out of his right eye.

    Finally, while I appreciate the sentiment that I should mind my own business, but I detect a patronizing tone in some of the responses directed at the guy, as if senior citizens and disabled people should be treated like children. But this is no child riding a tricycle at walking speeds. This is a 150 lb adult riding a carbon fiber road bike traveling at slow speeds for a bike, but at least 4 times as fast as any driver backing out of his driveway expects a pedestrian to be traveling. Yes, it is on him if a car hits him, but that really isn't the point.
    Folks with disabilities have learned to adapt through experience, telling them they shouldn't do what they feel comfortable with, rather than respecting their decisions is treating them like a child.
    No matter how old and experienced you are, you have no experience with his issue, so how can you know whats best for him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMACH 5 View Post
    U.S. sidewalks are not equivalent to Dutch segregated bicycle paths. Do you have a better definition of best practices? Please share how you feel is the safest way to travel by bicycle in the U.S.
    Right. Bikes are vehicles traveling at 4 to 8 times the speeds anyone expects a pedestrian to be traveling on a sidewalk.

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    The cyclist, being mentioned in the OP, would be a non issue with me, since it's better to have him riding a bicycle than driving a motor vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
    Right. Bikes are vehicles traveling at 4 to 8 times the speeds anyone expects a pedestrian to be traveling on a sidewalk.
    A rider lacking the judgment or self control to ride in a way appropriate for prevailing conditions is a separate issue that has nothing to do with where they ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
    So I say to him, cyclists over 12 shouldn't ride on the sidewalk.
    If it's dangerous for an old man, why wouldn't it be just as dangerous for a 12 year old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
    Finally, while I appreciate the sentiment that I should mind my own business, but I detect a patronizing tone in some of the responses directed at the guy, as if senior citizens and disabled people should be treated like children. But this is no child riding a tricycle at walking speeds. This is a 150 lb adult riding a carbon fiber road bike traveling at slow speeds for a bike, but at least 4 times as fast as any driver backing out of his driveway expects a pedestrian to be traveling. Yes, it is on him if a car hits him, but that really isn't the point.
    Actually, by your own retelling, you were the one patronizing him and treating him like he was stupid. More evidence is in your account of the response he gave you. Instead of blaming him you might want to think about how you were able to so quickly offend someone with whom you were on friendly terms. Your OP was basically, "can you believe this crazy old man?" because you couldn't believe how WRONG! he was.

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    It's a moot point here. It is illegal to ride on the sidewalk...period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
    Right. Bikes are vehicles traveling at 4 to 8 times the speeds anyone expects a pedestrian to be traveling on a sidewalk.
    I can still get to that speed. But when I do I'd hardly call it slow for a bike. At 8 times what I'd expect for a pedestrian I'd only call it slow for a racer on a decent.
    Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    I have a feeling that this cyclist is not much more than a rolling pedestrian and is doing quite well for his age...
    I'm inclined to think so also. And by 75 most have learned patience and even if he is quite a bit faster than that on the MUP of open sections of sidewalk he likely slows on less open sidewalk.

    Sidewalk is no worse on a bike than as a pedestrian if one is no faster than a pedestrian. That said some sidewalks are not that good as a pedestrian others are fine as a jogger (or on a bike going that speed).
    Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.

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