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    How important is bike safety to you?

    Hello all forum members!

    I'm part of a marketing class from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, California. Our group is currently conducting a short survey about bike safety and we are very interested in YOUR opinion! When you complete the survey you can enter your email-address and have a chance to win a 20 dollar gift card from Target. If you win, we will contact you and send the gift card to your doorstep!

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    This forum is probably not the target demo for this wacky system.

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    I gather that you have some kind on anti-lock brake. Hopefully it's not something that simply weakens or nullifies the front brake.

    IMO anti lock brakes for bicycles are possible, but it's more complex than for cars because front wheel skid is not usually possible on a bicycle. That means a system that can detect an incipient header (endo) and relax the front brake slightly. It's possible and if done right might have a market.

    OTOH- the human brain does a decent job with a short amount of training, and experienced cyclists aren't worried about that. So it might be marketable to newbies, but for the most part it addresses a worry they probably don't have (they don' know enough).

    IMO- this is another treatment for RLS (restless leg syndrome, by analogy, a problem that doesn't really exist)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLObicycle View Post
    Hello all forum members!

    I'm part of a marketing class from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, California. Our group is currently conducting a short survey about bike safety and we are very interested in YOUR opinion! When you complete the survey you can enter your email-address and have a chance to win a 20 dollar gift card from Target. If you win, we will contact you and send the gift card to your doorstep!

    Survey Link: Removed by Mod

    Thank you for helping us and if you have any questions feel free to write me a PM and I'll gladly answer any questions you might have!
    Another answer to the question that no one asked.
    Stupid needless complexity to a skill well learned in childhood.
    Over educated morons in search of an engineering challenge well designed a century ago.

    Move along, nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
    Another answer to the question that no one asked.
    Stupid needless complexity to a skill well learned in childhood.
    Over educated morons in search of an engineering challenge well designed a century ago.

    Move along, nothing to see here.

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    To be fair, there are always challenges - however tiny - to overcome. There will be a ton of misses, though it'll be wrong to discourage innovation, no matter how minuscule.

    When 10,000 stupid questions are being asked, there's always a chance one will lead to a brilliant answer.

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    @OP- we got a forum set aside for surveys- Manufacturer, Retailer, Survey and Consumer Feedback and you'll find the requirements to post yours in the second sticky thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keyven View Post
    To be fair, there are always challenges - however tiny - to overcome. There will be a ton of misses, though it'll be wrong to discourage innovation, no matter how minuscule.
    There's a Hallmark for 2014:What miniscule & tiny challenge can we test ourselves against and aim very low?.

    Try 1962 for a comparison of Vision:

    ""Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation may never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas? We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

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    Get on to Mars, not trivial bike tech that was engineered well enough a century ago or resign engineering for knitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
    There's a Hallmark for 2014:What miniscule & tiny challenge can we test ourselves against and aim very low?.

    Try 1962 for a comparison of Vision:

    ""Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation may never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas? We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

    -JFK

    BTW: We got that done.
    Get on to Mars, not trivial bike tech that was engineered well enough a century ago or resign engineering for knitting.

    -Bandera
    All very poetic and such, but not all of us have the money, brains, time, resources, yada yada to cure cancer, wipe out poverty and hunger and hate, etc.

    Yes it'll be infinitely cool to perfect the cure for AIDS, but we'll leave that to the brilliant scientists toiling in billion-dollar labs. The rest of us less-than-perfect humans have to find less challenging tasks to occupy ourselves, and that has resulted in La-Z-boys (omg chairs have been perfected thousands of years before, how dare they???), bromptons (omg bicycles have been around and largely unchanged for several centuries, what the heck??), and so on.

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    Bicycle safety is my #1 consideration anytime I am on the saddle. If I get hurt, I can't ride. If my bike is damaged, I can't ride. Since my bicycles are my transportation, if I can't ride, I can't go anywhere...to the grocery store, to the VA Clinic, etc.... If I injure someone else, or damage their property, it will cost me money, and severe emotional trauma, which I already have enough of, as an inactive Marine combat veteran. As far as I am concerned, an ounce of prevention is worth tons of cure.......

    What I don't understand is why it is such an issue. It shouldn't take a genius to figure out what is safe, and what is not. OK..the helmet thing may have a little room for debate, but things like obeying traffic laws, avoiding heavy traffic areas when possible, not running red lights, stay off of sidewalks...these are all no-brainers. And you should always plan your routes ahead of time, unless you are just staying local and know the roads and traffic patterns extremely well. Instead of better software, better roads, better bikes, it seems to me what we really need is better riders. That would be a whole lot cheaper.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    ...IMO anti lock brakes for bicycles are possible, but it's more complex than for cars because front wheel skid is not usually possible on a bicycle. That means a system that can detect an incipient header (endo) and relax the front brake slightly. It's possible and if done right might have a market....
    It's been well worked out for motorcycles such that it's common as part of a traction control system on the highest performance motorcycles and road race motorcycles.
    Ride more. Fret less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
    It's been well worked out for motorcycles such that it's common as part of a traction control system on the highest performance motorcycles and road race motorcycles.
    On one hand, no one will want the extra cost/weight for a cheap bike. On the other extreme, no one will want the extra weight (even 400g is still 5% added weight on an 8kg bike) on their high-end bikes.

    Especially since most of us will encounter such a situation only 0.1% of the time, if ever.

    Cycling is risky - we get it - I just hate all the fear-mongering in the name of profit.

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