Originally Posted by genec
(Post 16800039)
I've seen motorists rush by me on a race to the stop sign only to stop while straddling two lanes... the other lane being oncoming to the driver..
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Originally Posted by prathmann
(Post 16800052)
Agreed. I've had the same thing happen on the neighborhood streets just a couple blocks from my home - even had them come to the stop sign almost entirely in the oncoming lane.
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Originally Posted by genec
(Post 16800039)
Damn, I must be 600 hundred years old... I've seen motorists rush by me on a race to the stop sign only to stop while straddling two lanes... the other lane being oncoming to the driver... most foolish position I have ever seen, and yet the driver just "had" to pass me on this road... like it was some duty of his... sigh.
I swear I think I have seen just about every stupid driver trick out there... but no doubt there is still something they can surprise me with. |
Originally Posted by genec
(Post 16800066)
Exactly... had a guy one time rush past me to get to the red light... only to be blocked by another vehicle already waiting there. I pulled up to the left of the passing driver and waited for the light to change green... just like he had to. I went straight (as indicated by my somewhat left position) while the driver finally got to turn right. Funny, watching him just sit there...
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Originally Posted by Pibber
(Post 16799954)
The overtaking vehicle is bound by certain codes of legal conduct, none of which this driver followed.
The truck was not following too close that we can tell, he probably wasn't speeding either as he paced the cyclist for a few seconds before deciding to go-go-go. No law against squeezing in front of another vehicle either. People frequently do that to me on the freeway when I am driving a car - some even give a signal first. I just let up on the accelerator and hover my foot over the brake pedal. Once in front of me it's my problem to stay off their rear bumper. So I agree the truck passed "too close" by law (although I am not phased by that type of pass). Am I missing something else other than a cyclist crashing into the back of a vehicle stopped at a stop sign with ample space to avoid that?
Originally Posted by genec
(Post 16800039)
... I've seen motorists rush by me on a race to the stop sign only to stop while straddling two lanes...
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Saueezing in on the cyclist obviously violates the three foot law, which is in effect here. You're being intentionally obtuse, and you are unable to approach this with any objectivity. The driver clearly cuts across the cyclists line as he ends up in the marked off area to the right of the street. Whatever your experiences or assumptions are, they do not matter here. The driver doesn't pass properly and then cuts off the cyclist. You cannot refute these things. Everything else is supposition, superfluous, and editorializing.
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In addition, in the district it is a moving violation to overtake a vehicle moving in the same direction less than 100ft from an intersection. It is also a moving violation to overtake until you have safely cleared the vehicle being overtaken. Based on this video, the driver has definitely overtaken unsafely.
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Agreed. Or to put it another way:
Originally Posted by kickstart
(Post 16800061)
It doesn't matter how wrong the other guy is, its always our duty and obligation to make up for their wrongdoing or we're wrong [dead]too. Standing our ground, holding our line, guarding our right of way are all contrary the the basic rules of the road[survival].
Obligation's always come before rights[death]. |
Originally Posted by Pibber
(Post 16800260)
...in the district it is a moving violation to overtake a vehicle moving in the same direction less than 100ft from an intersection.
Originally Posted by Pibber
(Post 16800260)
It is also a moving violation to overtake until you have safely cleared the vehicle being overtaken. Based on this video, the driver has definitely overtaken unsafely.
I guess we will find out if they publish the results of the video review. I hope someone posts that here if it goes public. |
Originally Posted by JoeyBike
(Post 16800154)
Only the 3-foot passing law far as I know, if that law is in effect at that location.
Originally Posted by Pibber
(Post 16800260)
In addition, in the district it is a moving violation to overtake a vehicle moving in the same direction less than 100ft from an intersection.
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Originally Posted by dynaryder
(Post 16800477)
Thanks man, I'd forgotten about the new laws. |
Originally Posted by JoeyBike
(Post 16800154)
Do you ASSUME they are going to straddle the lanes? Or do you prepare for them to jerk back into "your" lane? Do you roll up next to them at the stop sign, or wait behind them until they cross or turn? I am really curious here. Do you ever veer left to hit their rear bumpers?
Ultimately I continue on my way riding in a predictive manner with destination positioning... which means that if I am going straight, I might very well end up right behind the motor vehicle, or to their left... depending on what the driver does in the several seconds they choose to be unpredictable. I have had motorists make left turns from the right lane right in front of me, straddle the double yellow, end up in the opposite lane, end up blocked by other right turning cars, swerve suddenly around me to run lights, and yes, even hit me... all manner of things... none of which I can ASSUME anything about, at the time. |
Originally Posted by JoeyBike
(Post 16800154)
Only the 3-foot passing law far as I know, if that law is in effect at that location.
The truck was not following too close that we can tell, he probably wasn't speeding either as he paced the cyclist for a few seconds before deciding to go-go-go. No law against squeezing in front of another vehicle either. People frequently do that to me on the freeway when I am driving a car - some even give a signal first. I just let up on the accelerator and hover my foot over the brake pedal. Once in front of me it's my problem to stay off their rear bumper. So I agree the truck passed "too close" by law (although I am not phased by that type of pass). Am I missing something else other than a cyclist crashing into the back of a vehicle stopped at a stop sign with ample space to avoid that? Two motorized vehicles(motorcycles' notwithstanding) doing that on the interstate, is far different from, a motorized vehicle and a cyclist doing the same thing on city streets.
Originally Posted by JoeyBike
(Post 16800154)
Do you ASSUME they are going to straddle the lanes? Or do you prepare for them to jerk back into "your" lane? Do you roll up next to them at the stop sign, or wait behind them until they cross or turn? I am really curious here. Do you ever veer left to hit their rear bumpers?
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Originally Posted by genec
(Post 16802284)
I never ASSUME they are going to do anything predictable... the moment they decide to pass me by crossing the double yellow line while approaching a stop, they are in violation of the law and common sense... there is no way to predict what they might do... Drivers could suddenly swerve back into the lane where I am... and kill me and say I swerved, or they could change their minds and go back behind me, or they might choose to run the red light/stop sign... or who knows... as the fact is they have thrown the rules and predictability out the window. So I pretty much have to do whatever is safest for me... which due to the mass and speed of the motor vehicle and driver acting in an unpredictable manner means that I tend to take some form of evasive action... slowing, moving further away, etc... which no doubt is what the driver wants... control of "their" road through bullying actions.
Ultimately I continue on my way riding in a predictive manner with destination positioning... which means that if I am going straight, I might very well end up right behind the motor vehicle, or to their left... depending on what the driver does in the several seconds they choose to be unpredictable. I have had motorists make left turns from the right lane right in front of me, straddle the double yellow, end up in the opposite lane, end up blocked by other right turning cars, swerve suddenly around me to run lights, and yes, even hit me... all manner of things... none of which I can ASSUME anything about, at the time. |
Originally Posted by Pibber
(Post 16799395)
I'm saddened by some of what i've just read. This cyclist did one thing wrong; he gave up lane position. That driver is clearly in the wrong and saying anything different is akin to blaming the victim.
Frankly, him running into the rear of the truck could be far safer than trying to swerve away, and running into someone or something else. But, in all honesty, being cut off and then having the driver obviously slam on his brakes the way he did shows that this driver was all too aware of what was going on. |
I think another thread links to the whole video. The vehicle driver was a jerk, yes, but the bike rider could have handled this a lot differently. If it was me, as soon as the SUV crowded up next to me I would have been on my brakes letting him pull ahead. I don't think I would have rode up behind him like this cyclist did - I would have waited him out, and if he got out of the truck I would have ridden away (sidewalk? Turn around and go the other way? Something - - ) instead of confronting him. Sometimes it's better for cyclists just to let it go, even if it hurts your pride (and you know you're in the right).
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Neither of you can make a case that supports any action against the cyclist. He did nothing wrong. The driver cut him off, intentionally, and you can see that when the truck stops in the marked off area to the right of the road.
The only facts germaine to this event are what happened in the vid. What you would, or would not, have done does not matter. |
Was the driver ever charged?
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Originally Posted by Pibber
(Post 16810270)
The only facts germaine to this event are what happened in the vid. What you would, or would not, have done does not matter.
I hadn't heard before of that legal or BF debate/discussion ruling. |
Originally Posted by Pibber
(Post 16810270)
Neither of you can make a case that supports any action against the cyclist.
He did nothing wrong. The driver cut him off, intentionally, and you can see that when the truck stops in the marked off area to the right of the road. The only facts germaine to this event are what happened in the vid. What you would, or would not, have done does not matter. |
Originally Posted by tractorlegs
(Post 16811404)
...we can save a lot of heartache by tempering our responses to aggressive drivers...
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