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    personal protection - pepper spray

    Massachusetts will be changing their laws regarding the purchase of pepper spray for personal defense, so that an FID license/card will no longer be required. You'll have to be over 18 and only a licensed seller can sell it. While the bill is advertised as being for women's sake, men sometimes get mugged too. Regardless, has anyone actually ever used the stuff? I've been looking at various products and there are so many choices. It's hard to know what's really good and easy to use. I may be purchasing some for the family.
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    Years ago I bought pepper spray to protect my tiny dog and me against off-leash dogs at the park. The two times we were attacked, the pepper spray didn't seem to bother the attacking german shepherds and rottweillers. Haven't used it on people.
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    I have used bear spray... On dogs that I thought were going to rip me apart... Worked every time.
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    Ever hear the expression "never bring a knife to a gunfight"?

    Pepper spray is effective (usually, but not assured) against dogs, and can offer protection against getting beat up by a larger person. It might offer women protection in sexual assault cases, because there's clear intent.

    OTOH- it could fail or not be completely effective in a robbery or ADW, and inflame the situation resulting in death or serious injury. I'm in favor of allowing it's use, but would not rely on it.
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    Mace *** is probably best for cyclists.

    Amazon.com : Mace Pepper Spray Pepper *** (Blue) : Mace Pepper Spray *** With Lead : Sports & Outdoors

    Comes out in a stream, rather than a spray. Little to no chance of blow back.

    I have used spray on a dog that a junk yard owner ordered onto the bike path after me. Spray ended that problem quick. I did wish the junk yard dude was close enough to get some as well. He deserved it more than the dog.
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    How bad is it Northwest of Boston? Wakefield, Billerica etc does not resemble the South Bronx, Bed Stuy, or some truly depressed areas of Conn. However, some parts just directly North of Boston aren't areas I would be walking around without some extra level of awareness.

    As FB mentioned- bringing spray to a dangerous situation is not a good idea. When i have to move about any of these areas on foot I use my sixth sense to avoid troubles from canines, or humans. To date - zero muggings anywhere in the world. Came close to being slightly mugged once when I stumbled into a shanty town on the outskirts of Hyderabad. The large rats roaming the slum should have warned me - not a good area.
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    Kimber Pepper Blaster. I carry one just to have something to reach for. Kimber Lifeact Pepper Blaster 2 - Guardian Angel *NEW* Expires 12/31/2017: Home Security : Walmart.com

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    I have a flashlight that has a 9,000,000 volt tazer on it and its hidden too! Its light as well! I want to carry it on my bike but the first time I use it on a human being, well I'd probably go to the big house
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    I bought Fox defensive spray because it is formulated to be effective enough for use in law enforcement. Check out their web site for specifics. I think I purchased mine on line directly from Fox, but it might be available at a better price elsewhere.



    My opinion is that an attacker needs to be disabled, period. Thus, the best defensive spray is the strongest one that can be deployed effectively. If Fox is good enough for the cops, its good enough for me.

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    Look for pepper-foam, too. It burns whatever it comes into contact with and sticks! Pitt bulls, humans, the Sasquatch, zombies, WHATEVER! The attacker will be more worried about getting it off their body than biting you, assaulting you, eating your brains or whatever!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Gossman View Post
    Look for pepper-foam, too. It burns whatever it comes into contact with and sticks! Pitt bulls, humans, the Sasquatch, zombies, WHATEVER! The attacker will be more worried about getting it off their body than biting you, assaulting you, eating your brains or whatever!
    I am pretty sure it will not stop zombies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    I am pretty sure it will not stop zombies.
    It will if the foam explodes on contact and you spray them in the face!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Gossman View Post
    It will if the foam explodes on contact and you spray them in the face!!!
    Spray on det cord. I like that idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Spray on det cord. I like that idea.
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    When jogging years ago, I had used it on a dog. It works. On tour, I carry bear spray, so far I've never had a reason to use it, happily I might add.

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    Dog or Bear vs Human Pepper Spray: Differences in Self Defense Products

    Something to consider for animal-vs-human-spray.

    I have heard but not verified that Canada requires a weaker spray for bears and US spray is illegal there. If that is wrong, feel free to correct. Plus, in Canada, it is illegal to use any spray against humans.
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    My 1st choice is a Glock. My 2nd choice is this stuff: Inferno Pepper Spray

    The stuff is a sticky foam and is Absolutely Insane !! Watch the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Dog or Bear vs Human Pepper Spray: Differences in Self Defense Products

    I have heard but not verified that Canada requires a weaker spray for bears and US spray is illegal there. If that is wrong, feel free to correct. Plus, in Canada, it is illegal to use any spray against humans.
    In 2012 I toured Canada. At that time they were ok with my Bear Spray purchased at R.E.I. here in the States. The only requirement is that it has to have the words ( not to be used on humans ) on the can, or words to that effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
    ...has anyone actually ever used the stuff? I've been looking at various products and there are so many choices.
    Pepper spray as personal defense against a mugging or other battery is very "iffy". I have experience with a product called OC-10 which is a capsicum based spray for "people" defense (the company also makes a more watered-down version for bears in a larger canister that squirts much farther and delivers more irritant volume). Thankfully I have never been forced to use it on a person, but I have some experience with dogs and with the stuff getting on me.

    I carried this OC-10 with me everywhere for about 15 years. In that time I attempted to hit a few dogs with it from a moving bicycle which was almost impossible to do. One dog I hit rubbed his face on the ground long enough for me to get down the road. The other times dogs got frightened by the output of the spray without getting hit. Unfortunately, I got hit almost every time at least on the fingers that held the spray and sometimes the mist got inhaled, in my eyes, or on my skin. More than once the can deployed the ENTIRE contents once activated which left me looking like a sky-writer zooming along on my bike holding this can bellowing orange smoke as far away from me as I could until it emptied. Luckily I was not near other cyclists or peds. Then there was the time I crashed with the spray in my pants pocket and the entire contents deployed into my front pocket. That was an unpleasant afternoon.

    I have an acquaintance who hit a mugger with OC-10. The mugger was no longer interested in mugging my friend but could still defend himself as my friend tried to, and I quote: "I wanted to wear out my shoes on him." My friend believes he only got the stuff in one of the assailant's eyes. The flailing bad guy did drop the stuff he stole.

    Another friend of mine used to be an MP in the US Army. He claims he could eat pepper spray for breakfast and come back for more. He was hit point blank several times in training to keep qualifying to use pepper spray (crowd control, not personal defense). He found it worthless for personal defense and talked me out of carrying it. I never took him up on it but he offered to let me spray him to see for myself what he was capable of doing afterwards. I took his word for it. He claimed it was somewhat effective on "normal" people who were not hopped up on drugs, or extremely agitated or violent already. He would use pepper spray to momentarily distract an assailant until he and five other MPs could subdue him. Then, at best, everyone is covered with pepper spray and the assailant was now rendered impossible to transport in a police vehicle AND the MPs would be responsible for cleaning up and disinfecting the assailant. So he would never use pepper spray unless it was a last resort for a crowd of "demonstrators" who might be getting out of hand. It would make nonviolent people just want to go home. Generally it would make violent people more violent and harder to handle without really disabling them.

    Another list of problems with pepper spray:

    - Wind speed and direction must be perfect.
    - Pepper spray has a shelf life.
    - "Will it spray at all?" comes to mind in a crisis with old pepper spray.
    - Are other people, friends, family nearby who will also get in contact with the fine mist swirling around.
    - Can you get your hands on the can of spray when you need to - very important with any self defense appliance.
    - Will it deploy spray by accident in a public place? This makes the news all the time. It does not take much to clear a room...or a shopping mall.
    - Does not work effectively on people with high pain threshold or numbed by drugs or alcohol abuse.
    - There is the slight possibility that pepper spray will kill someone with respiratory issues.

    There is good reason why police officers go through training before being allowed to carry and use pepper spray. They need to know all of the limitations first hand. Most cops opt for Tazers when one-on-one non-lethal defense is called for. Much more control of collateral damage with a Tazer and possible to re-Taze many times per incident. And good cops make sure plenty of help is present or directly on the way before using non-lethal force against a formidable foe. Better to use the service firearm than to allow a strong, crazed, violent assailant get his hands on one lone cop.

    I hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    I hope this helps.
    Well it did for me. For instance I had assumed bear spray was stronger than it's self defense variety. It's interesting to find that is not the case.

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    Bears, dogs, etc., are more sensitive to capsicum than humans. Thanks to this fact they can add more propellent and less active chemical to the can for back-country use. Also, wild animals are generally less determined to continue an assault due to any cognitive thought. Instinct/reflex might make a bear attack but once deterred does not have motive to continue. In other words, the attack was "nothing personal". In areas where rangers have sprayed problem bears a few times all a person has to do is to hold up a can of bear spray and let the bear SEE it to get the job done.
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    In Australia we are not allowed to protect ourselves. Law says you can only use lesser force than the bully. The longer I live in this place the less it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 009jim View Post
    In Australia we are not allowed to protect ourselves. Law says you can only use lesser force than the bully. The longer I live in this place the less it makes sense.
    I believe its legal to buy in Western Australia though. Can get it at chemists. Not sure about use though...

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    thanks for the info guys, very helpful indeed.

    those bear bells were planted ... but funny none-the-less!
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