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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    My state would not think it hilarious, and even has a way for people to report "rolling coal" if it does happen to them.

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    Well...OK...but that vehicle in the video looked like a typical diesel vehicle in good repair. Anyone driving a diesel truck can blow smoke if they floor it up a hill, even a brand-spanking new one with a paper "license plate" in the window. I am not sure how effective it would be reporting that prank without video proof of some sort. Even then the operator could simply say he was powering up the mountain and his truck blew smoke just like every other diesel on the road straining up a hill.

    Or maybe my sense of humor is better than most. I can think of a long list of things passing motorists can/have done to me that deserved the attention of law enforcement. If I called the cops every time a diesel blew smoke on me I think Siri would divorce me and the cops would block my number.

    A&S is a tough crowd. Wow.

    To desensitize yourselves go here:



    These are trucks at a diesel tech training course and are all in perfect repair. Or do a Google search for "Diesel Smokeout Video" - it's a hillbilly national pastime. Get with the program folks. Embrace a foreign culture today! (Although, I don't think the local fire department was all that impressed when they showed up for nothing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    Well...OK...but that vehicle in the video looked like a typical diesel vehicle in good repair. Anyone driving a diesel truck can blow smoke if they floor it up a hill, even a brand-spanking new one with a paper "license plate" in the window. I am not sure how effective it would be reporting that prank without video proof of some sort. Even then the operator could simply say he was powering up the mountain and his truck blew smoke just like every other diesel on the road straining up a hill.

    Or maybe my sense of humor is better than most. I can think of a long list of things passing motorists can/have done to me that deserved the attention of law enforcement. If I called the cops every time a diesel blew smoke on me I think Siri would divorce me and the cops would block my number.

    A&S is a tough crowd. Wow.
    In Louisiana, brand new unmodified diesel trucks might emit that amount of smoke when floored, thankfully that's not the case here. Wanna let loose of some hard earned cash and support the man, do some "rolling coal" exhibitions on public streets in my locale. There was a brief period in my locale a few years back when "rolling coal" was popular among diesel truck owners, not so now, especially hearing about some hefty fines being handed out.

    The crowd here is tough, but you seem to keep coming back for more.

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    A&S is always entertaining one way or another.

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    eh, I've seen better coal rollin videos.. and WAY better just around town..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    I hate to say this. The man is definitely an idiot (being polite) but our free speech protections extend to idiots too.

    IMO the police acted wrongfully, and should have referred to the DA to see if there was anything prosecutable, but not arrested on a bogus charge.

    I don't see evidence of "reckless endangerment" and expect the charges to be dismissed.

    i would disagree with your claim. enciting violence is not free speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adablduya View Post
    i would disagree with your claim. enciting violence is not free speech.
    TO be a bit more precise, the driver threatened violence, he didn't incite it. Inciting violence is trying to get others to do it for you.

    Also, most states have laws that attempt to curtail violence pre-emptively, allowing people to be cited for 'threats and intimidation' or similarly worded ordinances. This would definitely fall under that category, in my non-legal opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    I'd expect that a jury would insist on much better evidence than the implication of that phrase. Then entire video looks more like wish fantasy than any serious threat. But regardless of what it really is, the law is clear. If this is introduced in court, and the defense argues that it's simply the musings and wish fantasies of a frustrated bike hater, the jury has to accept that explanation unless there's compelling evidence otherwise.

    I'm sure the DA knows the law and the odds of conviction, so this is either harassment based on political pressure (not unheard of) or the DA is holding some hole cards we don't know about.

    BTW- it seems that the concept of free speech is under assault, an more people than ever believe that free speech protection should only apply to speech that doesn't offend. IMO- that's pointless, since non-offensive speech doesn't need protection. Given the number of examples of people being pilloried for utterances secretly recorded then broadcast, I think we need to remind people that we can't protect any speech unless we protect all speech. (yes, there are exceptions, so all doesn't mean all).
    The guy behind the shootings in California that left 7 dead also had a history of posting scary and threatening videos on Youtube. If he had been correctly ID'ed as a danger before hand, he would have gotten the help he needed and his victims would still be alive.

    This guy is doing the same thing, going through the same process. Hopefully he gets the help he needs before he kills or injures someone who is just out riding their bike. The police are doing their job; I'm glad to see it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    To desensitize yourselves go here:



    These are trucks at a diesel tech training course and are all in perfect repair. Or do a Google search for "Diesel Smokeout Video" - it's a hillbilly national pastime. Get with the program folks. Embrace a foreign culture today! (Although, I don't think the local fire department was all that impressed when they showed up for nothing)
    Ugh. looks like we need tighter laws on truck emissions.
    Just one of those dirty pinko commies some people worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsrevenge View Post
    Ugh. looks like we need tighter laws on truck emissions.
    Or a mandatory sterilization program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hairy Legs View Post
    Or a mandatory sterilization program.
    I thought that was whatever happened after "Hold my beer, ya'll watch this" was uttered...
    Just one of those dirty pinko commies some people worry about.

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    I say he has serious psychological problems and was calling out for help. Worth remembering that a large percentage of our population suffers from mental illness in some degree, undiagnosed and untreated. And, lots of them are behind the wheel. In my USA, which I will never see in my lifetime, the DMV would do psychological testing, difficult written and in car driving exams, every three years - no exceptions. Driving is a privilege, and 20-30% shouldn't make the cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchFit View Post
    I say he has serious psychological problems and was calling out for help. Worth remembering that a large percentage of our population suffers from mental illness in some degree, undiagnosed and untreated. And, lots of them are behind the wheel. In my USA, which I will never see in my lifetime, the DMV would do psychological testing, difficult written and in car driving exams, every three years - no exceptions. Driving is a privilege, and 20-30% shouldn't make the cut.
    I agree with this 100%...but, you end up with more unlicensed and uninsured drivers on the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 02Giant View Post
    I agree with this 100%...but, you end up with more unlicensed and uninsured drivers on the road.
    Which is a major reason we're seeing more hit and runs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    Which is a major reason we're seeing more hit and runs.
    That seams to be getting more common around here also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    [Unlicensed drivers] are a major reason we're seeing more hit and runs.
    Is it really?

    I don't doubt that it's a significant factor, but a major reason?

    Most hit and runs don't seem to ever be solved, but when somebody *dies* the police tend to take things a lot more seriously and most of those end up solved, and in the large majority of those cases it seems that the driver was properly licensed (and presumably drunk, with that being the reason for the hit and run). There's certainly some exceptions, but most of the drivers seem to be licensed.

    The reality is ... if you're caught driving without a license, the penalty isn't that high, far less than that of a hit and run with injury or intoxication assault/manslaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc View Post
    Is it really?

    I don't doubt that it's a significant factor, but a major reason?

    Most hit and runs don't seem to ever be solved, but when somebody *dies* the police tend to take things a lot more seriously and most of those end up solved, and in the large majority of those cases it seems that the driver was properly licensed (and presumably drunk, with that being the reason for the hit and run). There's certainly some exceptions, but most of the drivers seem to be licensed.

    The reality is ... if you're caught driving without a license, the penalty isn't that high, far less than that of a hit and run with injury or intoxication assault/manslaughter.
    Agree with everything you said, but data from places like California show no license/no insurance to be major reasons (though not The major reason). While the penalty for no license driving may not be severe, that for a no license accident can be, especially in the case of a suspended or revokes license. That's a different legal situation than never driving with an expired, or never having had one in the first place.

    Add in no insurance, and the problems of non-documented aliens, and you have large numbers of people who simply cannot be caught having had a serious accident.

    The reasons for hit and run are many, and the mix of causes probably varies according to region. Some years back the number one reason for hit and run in the Newark, NJ area was car theft. Drivers having accidents there committed hit and run literally, abandoning the car and bolting on foot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    Not sure why but I found this^^ more funny than maddening. One of the comments made me spit out my Cheerios. "Hillbillys gonna hillbilly"

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    I don't know why, but I thought it was Hi-larious myself, in a sort of grim, black foxhole humor sort of way. I'm in the hills, and get lots of diesel drivers trying to get me on the up hills, even to the point of light power braking to get more smoke. My reaction when I saw the vid was, "this guy is pretty good". Most of the hickabillys here either miss, or else misjudge the wind.
    My family, on the other hand, was incensed, especially when I told them how often I get it, and how this guy is way better than most.

    I would rather have someone blow smoke at me than throw a beer bottle or do a close pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shipwreck View Post
    I don't know why, but I thought it was Hi-larious myself, in a sort of grim, black foxhole humor sort of way.... My reaction when I saw the vid was, "this guy is pretty good".
    Yep. Same thoughts I had while watching it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    I hate to say this. The man is definitely an idiot (being polite) but our free speech protections extend to idiots too.

    IMO the police acted wrongfully, and should have referred to the DA to see if there was anything prosecutable, but not arrested on a bogus charge.

    I don't see evidence of "reckless endangerment" and expect the charges to be dismissed.

    Incorrect. Many restrictions on speech have been deemed constitutional; you cannot yell fire in a theatre, you cannot libel or slander, you cannot falsely advertise, you cannot foment sedition, and most importantly... you cannot threaten the lives of your fellow citizens. This man was threatening the lives of me and my fellow cyclists, and I hope he rots in prison for a *very* long time.

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    Sadly, I don't think Maddox is going to be spending much time behind jail. If he gets a lawyer who advises him to do the right thing he'll probably promise to do some community service/psych work and he'll get off…unless there's something else there. I would bet donut dollars that he has had prior arrests, some type of chemical dependency and needs some serious psychological counseling. This is in addition to graduating from high school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Essex View Post
    Sadly, I don't think Maddox is going to be spending much time behind jail. If he gets a lawyer who advises him to do the right thing he'll probably promise to do some community service/psych work and he'll get off…unless there's something else there. I would bet donut dollars that he has had prior arrests, some type of chemical dependency and needs some serious psychological counseling. This is in addition to graduating from high school.
    Yeah, but he's gonna be out a few thousand bucks for that lawyer.

    That in itself is a significant punishment.

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    Again, I will bet donut dollars that - he'd gonna dun represent himself as a lawyer…'shade tree' type.

    The punishment will be the folks in the room having to listen to him speak.

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    Was this REALLY the OP's first post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
    Was this REALLY the OP's first post?
    And it has been an interesting thread.

    Too bad it is another thread that you do not want to read but feel forced to post in.
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    Looks like he plead guilty and was ordered to attend anger management classes, and if he keeps his nose clean the entire thing will be dismissed -- classic deferred adjudication.

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