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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothic Sunshine View Post
    Didn't Mythbusters prove that talking on a cell phone is just as likely to cause an accident as being drunk?
    Yeah, but everyone that drives thinks they are a superior driver and it doesn't apply to them...

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    This is the reason why I believe cell phones should shut down if moving faster than 10 mph. Is a phone call or a text message worth a persons life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Doofus View Post
    It drives me nuts how drivers check their phones at red lights.......
    Before cell phones, a signal light that turned red, I looked upon it with disdain and happened far to often, today with cell phones, the red signal light is now like an old friend that rarely stops by to visit me

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    It's a temporary problem. The uproar against putting radios in automobiles went on for decades..... the dangers of the distraction from AM radio... how could people drive.

    Google is giving us driverless cars, and heads-up display glasses. Thought controlled devices are already in development. The technology will progress.

    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    This is the reason why I believe cell phones should shut down if moving faster than 10 mph. Is a phone call or a text message worth a persons life?
    Things like such built-in safety's and limitations will resolve the problem to a great extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    This is the reason why I believe cell phones should shut down if moving faster than 10 mph. Is a phone call or a text message worth a persons life?
    I have a sympathy with that idea, but here's an even better one I think. Up there beside the red light cameras, place a device that detects cell phone transmissions, direction and distance. Then turn the light red for that direction, and leave it red until the offender is off the phone. If nothing else, peer pressure and road rage would put a damper on cell phone abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    This is the reason why I believe cell phones should shut down if moving faster than 10 mph. Is a phone call or a text message worth a persons life?
    That wouldn't work. What if you're a passenger? Or if you're on the bus/train? You should be able to use a cell phone as long as you're not the one operating the vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Horne View Post
    I see no reason not to let someone walk and talk.

    I really don't mind being responsible for my own behavior, it irks me when I have to be responsible for others when they walk and talk.
    but youre not

    they are

    and banning cellphones in public woulnt even solve it, they would just move on to the next fad, wheter its reading the paper or playing games

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    Quote Originally Posted by italktocats View Post

    and banning cellphones in public woulnt even solve it, they would just move on to the next fad, wheter its reading the paper or playing games
    hah.
    people reading.

    not in america.

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    I am frustrated with this as well but you/we are not going to change anyone's behaviors. If the Police would more aggressively enforce the handheld cellphone law, it might help. The local paper posts the police blotter and every week it is full of DUI arrests. Every once in awhile someone in blotter is given a ticket for distracted driving but only AFTER they have caused an accident. The same local paper (The Hummelstown Sun) ran a story with photographs and cell phone user counts shortly after the law went into effect and nearly half the drivers counted were on phones.

    My phone can be blowing up in my pocket and it stays in there beeping at me sometimes for an hour on my way home. I don't care, I will never look at it unless I get off the road and stop. I don't think many people can control the compulsion to look, it's just human nature. Sucks for us vulnerable road users...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    This is the reason why I believe cell phones should shut down if moving faster than 10 mph. Is a phone call or a text message worth a persons life?
    I use my cell phone on the bus and train all the time, with no danger to others. I don't want my phone shut off because the train is going way faster than 10 mph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothic Sunshine View Post
    I use my cell phone on the bus and train all the time, with no danger to others. I don't want my phone shut off because the train is going way faster than 10 mph.
    "911! this train is being hija.. *beep* *beep* *beep* "


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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Yeah, but everyone that drives thinks they are a superior driver and it doesn't apply to them...
    Ain't that the truth! Although this seems to be becoming a common mental state for americans on most any topic rather than simply driving anymore.. but I digress as that's way OT and the kind of discussion for a subforum with a password.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TromboneAl View Post
    It's illegal here in California (drivers), but many, many people do it anyway.
    It is an addiction. People drive cars stoned on weed, alcohol, and various other illegal drugs. Addicts do not obey laws. Get used to it and change YOUR behavior however you must to keep safe from the addicts.

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    ...recently we were behind a car that was drifting, almost out the lane. I told my wife to pull up beside it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number400 View Post
    If the Police would more aggressively enforce the handheld cellphone law, it might help.
    Just ticket the speeders and motorists who don't use turn signals and the world would be a better place INSTANTLY.
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    I think behavior can be influenced by law. My father never liked using his seat belt but the penality for not complying changed his behavior.

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    If the following was mentioned in this thread, I missed it.

    In the November 2013 issue of Scientific American there was a mention of a study from the Texas A&M Transportation Institute. In short, they found no difference between texting and hands-free use.

    That surprised me as well as the author of the SA article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t x View Post
    What is astounding to me is that I've had conversations with people where they have told me that although they know texting while driving is both dangerous and illegal, they have no interest in stopping; then in the SAME CONVERSATION, will tell me that I shouldn't ride my bicycle in the street because it's too dangerous.
    They are right, riding your bicycle in the street is dangerous, largely because of the knuckleheads who can't cope with a few nanoseconds without posting on faceache about how they are stuck behind someone on a bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    This is the reason why I believe cell phones should shut down if moving faster than 10 mph. Is a phone call or a text message worth a persons life?
    Quote Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
    I have a sympathy with that idea, but here's an even better one I think. Up there beside the red light cameras, place a device that detects cell phone transmissions, direction and distance. Then turn the light red for that direction, and leave it red until the offender is off the phone. If nothing else, peer pressure and road rage would put a damper on cell phone abuse.
    Not really workable unless there's a way to determine whether the person using the phone is the driver or the passenger. Leaving a light red until the driver hangs up their phone is one thing but expecting everybody to wait because the passenger is on the phone is another thing entirely.

    When I'm driving I quite frequently ask my wife (in the passenger seat) to call ahead to let our guests know where we are. At the time my own phone is typically downloading data from the internet - I use it in a hands-free mount to provide navigation and it's downloading map details, traffic conditions etc. Should the lights stay red until my phone (that I'm not touching in any way) has finished downloading the traffic information?
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    Cell phones should shut down if traveling faster than 10 mph. To put it bluntly and simply, if the phone call is that damned important, pull over and make it.

    As far as cell phones on trains are concerned, tuff bounce. Blame the irresponsible fools that have killed thousands by talking and texting in cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by contango View Post
    Not really workable unless there's a way to determine whether the person using the phone is the driver or the passenger. Leaving a light red until the driver hangs up their phone is one thing but expecting everybody to wait because the passenger is on the phone is another thing entirely.

    When I'm driving I quite frequently ask my wife (in the passenger seat) to call ahead to let our guests know where we are. At the time my own phone is typically downloading data from the internet - I use it in a hands-free mount to provide navigation and it's downloading map details, traffic conditions etc. Should the lights stay red until my phone (that I'm not touching in any way) has finished downloading the traffic information?
    We put up with restrictions on the passenger with alcoholic beverages, so why not the phone?

    Minor point, I'm proposing a red light on cell voice only not data.
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    We need to be clear about one thing; using a cell phone (talking or texting or ??) while driving endangers others, doing so while riding a bicycle or walking endangers only yourself. That's a huge distinction. I am strongly against any cell phone use while driving.

    For bicycle riders and pedestrians I think we just need to apply some community peer pressure if they're cell phone is causing them not to pay proper attention. The vast majority of cell phone use while riding or walking has zero impact on anyone. A very minor amount becomes an annoyance. That's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
    We put up with restrictions on the passenger with alcoholic beverages, so why not the phone?

    Minor point, I'm proposing a red light on cell voice only not data.
    hmmm just as easy to pass a phone as a beer.. never really thought of it in that context before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    It is an addiction. People drive cars stoned on weed, alcohol, and various other illegal drugs. Addicts do not obey laws. Get used to it and change YOUR behavior however you must to keep safe from the addicts.



    !!!!!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by CrankyOne View Post
    We need to be clear about one thing; using a cell phone (talking or texting or ??) while driving endangers others, doing so while riding a bicycle or walking endangers only yourself. That's a huge distinction. I am strongly against any cell phone use while driving.

    For bicycle riders and pedestrians I think we just need to apply some community peer pressure if they're cell phone is causing them not to pay proper attention. The vast majority of cell phone use while riding or walking has zero impact on anyone. A very minor amount becomes an annoyance. That's about it.
    Do you have any data that supports your claim (especially the bolded part)?

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    Ya, even in the office, walking and talking and and bumping into people. I just cannot believe people just don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadTire View Post
    Ya, even in the office, walking and talking and and bumping into people. I just cannot believe people just don't get it.
    Just watched a video taken by a cyclist on her helmet cam, where someone looking down at her cell phone almost walked right onto the cyclist's path. The cyclist had to yell at the pedestrian.

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