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Old 06-02-14, 12:02 AM   #76
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I am not too happy about what I see as a stealth movement by motorists to take over the bike paths by driving to them to stroll three abreast and prevent people from riding.
Yeah that explains it all, you see a stealth movement by motorists to take over "our bike paths" by driving to them to stroll three abreast and prevent people from riding. You must have dreamed that up at the same time as you dreamed up the story of the paths built for the express purpose of being used only by bicyclists on public land.
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Old 06-02-14, 05:18 PM   #77
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There is one significant difference in a MUP and Road. On a road you do not generally see two bicycle riders traveling the same direction with one in the middle of each lane, on a MUP it is not uncommon to see two walkers traveling the same direction with one in each 'lane'. A vehicle approaching a road cyclist from behind has the option of using the oncoming lane to pass, a bicycle rider approaching two walkers side-by-side does not have that option and must signal the walker in the 'oncoming lane' to move over.
You lucky guy. They only block the lane(s) going your direction, you have the whole half of the path that is supposed to be going the other direction to pass them.

This is not pure sarcasm. I've been out far to often when a few peds block the entire path. They do seem to reluctantly move for oncoming traffic.
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Old 06-02-14, 05:26 PM   #78
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Wow, what a hot discussion about manners!

I think what JimmyBB was trying to say is that pedestrians would really appreciate a more courteous warning that allows them a more adequate amount of time to adjust to the traffic around them. I know that I certainly get startled and annoyed when other cyclists whiz by me when I'm walking (even when I'm riding!), especially when I'm not selfishly taking up the whole MUP. I like a warning! Even if peds are wearing earbuds, you can't really know that until you're right beside them anyway. Give'em the benefit of the doubt. How hard is it to give a well-timed yell or ring, anyway? I'm actually still searching for a bicycle bell that's not a cheap piece of crap, so for now, I yell. It's polite, and it's the right thing to do, and it's how I like to be treated when out enjoying the *public* trail.
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Old 06-04-14, 02:43 PM   #79
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Not just pedestrians, slower riders also, would like some warning you are passing.

Actually, although the law/rules are pretty clear in most places, it is just courtesy to look out for others in a crowded place.

Unfortunately, there are some cyclists, and operators of other vehicles as well, who just don't get the ideas of courtesy and safety. They are the ones who pass without warning and so close the draft from their arms can be felt. They are the ones who ride a pace line at 20mph through a crowded park. They are the ones who ...., well you get the idea.
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Not just pedestrians, slower riders also, would like some warning you are passing.

Actually, although the law/rules are pretty clear in most places, it is just courtesy to look out for others in a crowded place.

Unfortunately, there are some cyclists, and operators of other vehicles as well, who just don't get the ideas of courtesy and safety. They are the ones who pass without warning and so close the draft from their arms can be felt. They are the ones who ride a pace line at 20mph through a crowded park. They are the ones who ...., well you get the idea.
They are also the ones who could care less about a subforum for advocacy and safety..
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Old 06-06-14, 12:20 PM   #81
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To prevent startling, I tend to simply say good day or hello...
Same here. "Hello!" is quick, it's human, it's friendly enough (inflection counts), and it achieves the desired outcome.
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Old 06-06-14, 10:21 PM   #82
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Same here. "Hello!" is quick, it's human, it's friendly enough (inflection counts), and it achieves the desired outcome.
I say good morning, even to the lady I came up on yesterday at 5:00 in the evening. We enjoyed a quick laugh together over that.
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I ride MUP's although I try to avoid them when possible. Pedestrians walking down the center, right, or letting their leashed dog wonder at will left to right. Or the walker listening via an ear bud to whatever, drives me away from them. I use a bell when on a MUP, and ring it at least twice , well before reaching the walker. Even so , on occasion I've startled them, and they say something rude. In the past I used to stop, turn around with the intention to ( with a smile ) let them know I did ring them and ( usually ) slowed down. They to a man, have responded rudely, so that I now, no longer try to politely explain my position. It's rare, but I find 4 to 5 peds walking abreast chatting loudly taking up the entire MUP and thinking they have the right to do so. So again, I try to avoid MUP's, preferring rude motorists to pedestrians.
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Oh and of course I say hello , or a polite excuse me when approaching a group of 5 abreast which does get them to separate and allow me to pass, but after my passing they will retake the MUP. MUP's are for me to avoid if possible.
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Same here. "Hello!" is quick, it's human, it's friendly enough (inflection counts), and it achieves the desired outcome.
Some variation of this seems to work best. A friendly "passing on the left", " hi", or almost anything in a nice tone seems to work. Yesterday I said "Passing on your left" when I was several feet back. Pedestrians thanked me and we ex hanged a couple nice words as we passed.

On the other hand a week or so ago, in another city, there were two pedestrians striding down the MUP who were not going to and did not make way. By their actions they knew their rights and were not going to yield. I squeezed by.

Courtesy is desired. But we are human and sometimes unable to deliver.
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