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    Build it and they will come—Seville

    Ekdog has a great thread on bicycle facilities, part of it touching on his hometown of Seville. A friend of mine is doing a series on bicycling in a number of cities and started with Seville. The biggest part of this for me is—build it and they will come. That is exactly what happened in Seville. They built the infrastructure and the bicyclists have certainly come.

    Bicyle Infrastructure in Seville | streets.mn

    This has happened in Bogata as well as other cities.

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    More commonly, they come and then it's built. Perversely, sometimes they go away when it is built.

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    When it comes to Sevilla I agree with Mikael Colville-Andersen:

    Copenhagenize.com - Bicycle Culture by Design: Explaining the Bi-directional Cycle Track Folly


    In Denmark, the on-street, bi-directional facility was removed from Best Practice for bicycle infrastructure over two decades ago. That in itself might be an alarm bell to anyone paying attention. These two way cycle tracks were found to be more dangerous than one-way cycle tracks on each side of the roadway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    When it comes to Sevilla I agree with Mikael Colville-Andersen:
    I largely agree. I'm firmly against bi-directional on-street paths separated only by paint, curb, or bollards. I'm not a fan of those separated by k-rails or planters but at least they provide some feeling of comfort between junctions, though they're dangerous as he** at/thru junctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    More commonly, they come and then it's built. Perversely, sometimes they go away when it is built.
    Not aware of anywhere that bicyclists have gone away when good segregated facilities are built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrankyOne View Post
    I largely agree. I'm firmly against bi-directional on-street paths separated only by paint, curb, or bollards. I'm not a fan of those separated by k-rails or planters but at least they provide some feeling of comfort between junctions, though they're dangerous as he** at/thru junctions.
    I have no problem with the fact that our paths are bidirectional. All of them are separated in some way from car traffic, most of them by curbs and a row of parked cars, some by a railing and a few by plastic or steel bollards. I think the bollards are the worst option, especially the steel ones, as it would be mighty painful to fall on them, and the plastic ones need to be replaced every so often.

    I've never understood why people think these lanes are dangerous at intersections. It's no more dangerous than walking across the street in a zebra crossing. Here's a photo of one of our intersections, which I saw in your friend's article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrankyOne View Post
    I largely agree. I'm firmly against bi-directional on-street paths separated only by paint, curb, or bollards. I'm not a fan of those separated by k-rails or planters but at least they provide some feeling of comfort between junctions, though they're dangerous as he** at/thru junctions.
    Yes, those intersections and gaps where cars may cut through the paths (i.e. driveways) are where the danger lies. IMO, there's more danger in the bi-directional paths in that regard, because the drivers does not know to look both ways before turning.
    Badly-behaved cyclists are usually just cyclists with inadequate infrastructure. Or none at all. - Mikael Colville-Andersen

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