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Old 06-15-14, 07:01 PM   #1
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Cyclist who refused to run red light punched in face

Cyclist who refuses to run red light in Dorchester punched in face, police say | Local News - WCVB Home
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Old 06-15-14, 07:20 PM   #2
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Maybe the assailant wanted to turn right on red? I try to position myself on my bike as to never block that action by motorists. But a punch in the face is a bit overboard regardless.
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Video clearly showed a sign for no right turn on red.
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Maybe the assailant wanted to turn right on red? I try to position myself on my bike as to never block that action by motorists. But a punch in the face is a bit overboard regardless.
That becomes a bit harder to do when they stripe the bike lanes all the way to the intersection. If the victim had taken the lane to accommodate right turns, other motorists would have been angry that he left the bike lane, door zone and all.
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That becomes a bit harder to do when they stripe the bike lanes all the way to the intersection. If the victim had taken the lane to accommodate right turns, other motorists would have been angry that he left the bike lane, door zone and all.
I just stop in the lane-splitting position. Sometimes I have to wave the turning car past me on my right. Not sure the victims situation tho. I have dealt with this hundreds of times, but then again I stay keenly aware of my actions and how it effects other road users. If I am in a position to be polite it is not very hard to do so. But perhaps the victims situation was a hopeless one. I would have pointed at the light same as he did if I were trapped in the lane with some @hole honking behind me. If I get punched they had better knock me out cold too.
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Video clearly showed a sign for no right turn on red.
+1.

I see that the behaviours of some cyclists invoke anger in motorists, whether or not those behaviours are legal or courteous. However, that should never justify any violence against the cyclists. Even if the "no turn on red" sign wasn't there, the motorist had no business of yelling at the cyclist, much less punching him.
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Boston is a very interesting place to drive, even for someone used to the free for all of NYC. When driving there, I've been honked at for stopping for red lights, been passed on the shoulder of highways, and god forbid taking too long to find an acceptable opening for a left.

While it's never led to violence, I suspect the only difference is that bicyclists lack the protective cage.
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I think the saying is.... "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure".... just sayin
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Boston is a very interesting place to drive, even for someone used to the free for all of NYC. When driving there, I've been honked at for stopping for red lights, been passed on the shoulder of highways, and god forbid taking too long to find an acceptable opening for a left.

While it's never led to violence, I suspect the only difference is that bicyclists lack the protective cage.
I have a friend who does not *live* in Boston, but has spent much of his career commuting to jobs there.
He regards Boston motorists as a sub-human species.
I've put the link on his FB page, but haven't seen a response yet.
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Boston is a very interesting place to drive, even for someone used to the free for all of NYC. When driving there, I've been honked at for stopping for red lights, been passed on the shoulder of highways, and god forbid taking too long to find an acceptable opening for a left.

While it's never led to violence, I suspect the only difference is that bicyclists lack the protective cage.
Not only Boston. I was once very glad to have that protective cage when the driver behind me at a busy intersection in NJ became enraged that I refused to enter the intersection just because it was already full of traffic. He jumped out of his car and started pounding on my window while uttering various profanities. Ironically when traffic later cleared I was able to move across the intersection and the light turned red before he could get back in his car.
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The chances of getting punched in the face are basically nil if you just don't make eye contact with anyone. I've been a cocky jerk for nearly 40 years and the technique has yet to fail me.
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As a Boston rider/commuter this comes as absolutely no surprise except that it made the news- which I count as a positive, BTW.

Right now, though, I am working (and riding/commuting) in San Diego. It's a whole other ball game here. I get the opportunity to ride in a lot of different locales and anyone who thinks all the same rules apply to every region/city might want to rethink that theory. I'm still adjusting to the SD culture of bike/car relations.

And Dorchester is it's own particular world within the world of Boston. While this rider did nothing wrong, in fact, I'd very likely have behaved exactly the same- including pointing out the red light- you've got to read just how aggressive that driver is anywhere in the Boston area because Boston drivers are tough. And Dorchester has its own breed of angry and it ain't pretty when it rears its ugly head.

I managed to commute through Dorchester for about 3 months a couple of years ago, often really late at night, and had not one negative incident- in fact, some surprisingly positive ones. I'm not sure if I was lucky or particularly savvy but I was pretty guarded the whole time.

The fact that the guy read his gestures to indicate he "wanted to fight" might make an odd kind of sense to some Dorchester residents.

I'm really relieved the bicyclist wasn't hurt any worse but it sounds like he got clocked pretty badly. That's the kind of hit that can kill someone.
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It's an assault case. Why do you have to look like you 'wanted it'-doesn't that open up a lot of other wretched parallels of wrong thinking?

How does posting this kind of stuff actually promote bicycle safety? If it's just some National Enquirer kind of sensational thing it's really not helping.

I don't need to read the OP to see what has happened. The topic has probably strayed into a mud bog.
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It's an assault case. Why do you have to look like you 'wanted it'-doesn't that open up a lot of other wretched parallels of wrong thinking?

How does posting this kind of stuff actually promote bicycle safety? If it's just some National Enquirer kind of sensational thing it's really not helping.

I don't need to read the OP to see what has happened. The topic has probably strayed into a mud bog.
No one is forcing you to read the OP or even post in the thread.

Some cyclist find the information helpful.
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It's an assault case. Why do you have to look like you 'wanted it'-doesn't that open up a lot of other wretched parallels of wrong thinking?

How does posting this kind of stuff actually promote bicycle safety? If it's just some National Enquirer kind of sensational thing it's really not helping.

I don't need to read the OP to see what has happened. The topic has probably strayed into a mud bog.
And your point is....?

Lost on me.
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The reporter mentioned, what the state cycling advocate had said. About cyclists' being accused of breaking the law. But then, also yelled at for obeying the law.

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Maybe the assailant wanted to turn right on red? I try to position myself on my bike as to never block that action by motorists. But a punch in the face is a bit overboard regardless.
No turn on red. (Trying to figure out what that sign has to do with an assault btw.)

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That becomes a bit harder to do when they stripe the bike lanes all the way to the intersection. If the victim had taken the lane to accommodate right turns, other motorists would have been angry that he left the bike lane, door zone and all.
See above - the bike lane is dashed on approaching the intersection. BTW, on Blue Hill Avenue they put sharrows at the Franklin Park/Columbia Road intersection. Does that style of infrastructure meet your approval? (I'm trying to figure out how paint had *ANYTHING* to do with this assault btw.)

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Boston is a very interesting place to drive, even for someone used to the free for all of NYC. When driving there....
So you've never ridden a bicycle in Boston. Thank you for sharing. (Trying to figure out what this has to do with this assault, btw.)

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As a Boston rider/commuter this comes as absolutely no surprise except that it made the news- which I count as a positive, BTW.
While this rider did nothing wrong [emphasis mine], in fact, I'd very likely have behaved exactly the same- including pointing out the red light...
Bingo. Full stop.

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It's an assault case....

I don't need to read the OP to see what has happened. The topic has probably strayed into a mud bog.
Near as I can tell, a few people take very little time before they blame the victim. Thank you for not blaming the victim

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I don't know what happened here; info just too scant. However, seems like the state bicycle advocacy group suffers too much from victim-mentality, based on the group saying: We can't win no matter what we do. If riders follow the rules motorists get angry; if riders break the rules motorists get angry...


This was probably some a$$hole, period. No need to agitate "War between motorists and cyclists".
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I dunno... Let me play devil's advocate here. The driver stated:

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Rodriguez said that he was behind him and when Nguyen said the light was red, he made a motion like he wanted to fight, and that's when he punched the victim.


Clearly the cyclist made a fight motion and the driver was then obligated to get out of their car and punch them.
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To call this a car vs bike seems a bit unfair. This I think is best described as road rage or even just rage. According to the victim. "this guy could just hurt anybody anytime for any reason" eloquently described I think
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To call this a car vs bike seems a bit unfair. This I think is best described as road rage or even just rage. According to the victim. "this guy could just hurt anybody anytime for any reason" eloquently described I think
Thank you. I can't help but think the same thing - the cyclist was the target of road rage and that's about the extent of it.
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That becomes a bit harder to do when they stripe the bike lanes all the way to the intersection. If the victim had taken the lane to accommodate right turns, other motorists would have been angry that he left the bike lane, door zone and all.
I looked at the video, and the striping goes from a solid line to a dashed line about 100' before the intersection. This is done (and it is spelled out in my states VC, and probably in the MA VC as well) so that vehicles may "change lanes". That is the bikes traveling straight may move left, out of the bike lane-when safe- to allow cars to move over into the bike/right turn lane.
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I just stop in the lane-splitting position. Sometimes I have to wave the turning car past me on my right. Not sure the victims situation tho. I have dealt with this hundreds of times, but then again I stay keenly aware of my actions and how it effects other road users. If I am in a position to be polite it is not very hard to do so. But perhaps the victims situation was a hopeless one. I would have pointed at the light same as he did if I were trapped in the lane with some @hole honking behind me. If I get punched they had better knock me out cold too.
+1 (and for once I agree with Joeybike) get in lane split area, and if car is behind seem to be hesitant, indicate lots of room and wave them on.

Of course it is funny that people who will wait for cars in front of them get irate when it is a bike in front of them.
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+1 (and for once I agree with Joeybike) get in lane split area, and if car is behind seem to be hesitant, indicate lots of room and wave them on.

Of course it is funny that people who will wait for cars in front of them get irate when it is a bike in front of them.
So do I. But you know what, there's no law that says I can't wait for the green light, in a car, motorcycle or bike, and if in those rare occasions my judgment is to wait then I will. If some hothead gets out of his car to confront me physically over that, then in all likelihood he's going to jail. So it's hard for me to understand some of the comments about Boston drivers. Do they get special dispensation to be idiots in Boston?
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I look forward to hearing of a follow up on this. I'm glad there seem to have been many witnesses .
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