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Old 06-22-14, 07:51 PM   #26
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Here's something else my generation has done--created a world where as children the millennials were in more danger of being abducted and sexually molested. No wonder their parents don't let them leave the house. When I was a kid I was outside roaming from dawn until after dark, all summer long. No fear.

EDIT: to clarify things here, I am not blaming this generation for their shortcomings, whatever they may be. I blame us.
You have no idea what you're talking about - kids are in LESS danger of abduction and molestation and such than ever.

The Kids Really Are All Right: Our Children Have Never Been Safer - Pacific Standard: The Science of Society
Hard to believe—with milk cartons and AMBER alerts reminding parents daily of our greatest fears—but child victimization rates in the United States have dropped dramatically over the last three decades and may be at their lowest point ever. Between 1970 (when detailed figures became available) and 2009 every category of child victimization has declined: child sexual abuse down 53 percent; physical abuse down 52 percent; aggravated assault down 69 percent; robbery down 62 percent; larceny down 54 percent. Bullying has dropped by a third in the last five years. And despite the horrors and headlines of stranger abduction—this year it’s the Cleveland kidnappings; a few years ago it was Jaycee Lee Dugard—confirmed cases are so rare (perhaps 100 or so a year) that the odds of your child being kidnapped and murdered stand at about 1.5 million to one.

30/40/50/60 years ago we did not have the ubiquitous instant news-feed that is the Internet. You rarely hear news of molestation, murder, ****, etc in other cities unless you went to your local library and actively searched for it. Even then, such news took days if not weeks to reach our ears, if ever.

Nowadays a quick Google of "child ****" or "child kidnapping" would give you hundreds of thousands of results from all over the globe. The more naive among us would automatically assume such crimes have exploded when in the grand scheme of things, they are still exceedingly rare. They're just more easily sensationalized as any moron with a computer can forward and comment on such nonsense.

Our kids are safer than they were at any time in history. The rise in 'helicopter parenting' is a direct result of such paranoia generated by the Internet. Hopefully we will grow out of it at some point.
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I find the title of this thread offensive. "old" indeed! I prefer to think of myself as later middle aged. AARP has been notified.
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Your support of the millennials is misplaced. Have you watched any of the "man on the street" interviews? College age kids seem to know nothing about current events, and just plain look stupid when asked the simplist questions. If they cant find an answer on their smart phones, they are lost. For the most part I blame public schools for this. May I also point out that almost everything that todays millennials use was invented by engineers using slide rules.

Now back to the thread. Older people have found out that riding a bike or trike doesnt beat the heck out of their bodies like jogging and other exercises do. Unlike running or walking biking allows a much greater radius of travel. And again older women really like the stability of trikes.
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Your support of the millennials is misplaced. Have you watched any of the "man on the street" interviews? College age kids seem to know nothing about current events, and just plain look stupid when asked the simplist questions. If they cant find an answer on their smart phones, they are lost. For the most part I blame public schools for this. May I also point out that almost everything that todays millennials use was invented by engineers using slide rules.

Now back to the thread. Older people have found out that riding a bike or trike doesnt beat the heck out of their bodies like jogging and other exercises do. Unlike running or walking biking allows a much greater radius of travel. And again older women really like the stability of trikes.

Back to yelling at clouds, I see.

Plato had Socrates complaining about the 'youth of today' in The Republic.

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Two of the "man on the street" segments come to mind happened on both Jay Leno, and still happens probably once a week on Bill OReilly's program. On OReilly the segment is under Watters world. People tried to get Leno and Watters to admit that they went thru 40 or 50 young people to get the really uninformed. However they both stated that that wasnt true.

Then as far as older women liking trikes, I can refer you to my own wife, and several ladies in the local bent club. Are you saying that there is something wrong with older ladies liking trikes?
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It's simply coldly logical to believe that entertainment is a substitute for accurate reporting.
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This article is full of *****

The first chart looking at biking rate by age groups shows big charts that are in fact a rate between 0% and 1%

Other charts shows growth without actual values behind it. If i'm alone and that someone join me the increase rate is 100% but we're still only 2.
If the number double from 1 million to 2 millions the increase rate is still 100% but 1 million was added.

Looking at person trips and person miles at the NHTS database link where those charts come from
18-39 ride more than 60-79
NHTS Data Extraction Tool

[TABLE]
[TR="bgcolor: #507CD1"]
[TH]Year[/TH]
[TH]Age[/TH]
[TH]Mode[/TH]
[TH]Person Trips (in millions)[/TH]
[TH]Person Miles (in millions)[/TH]
[TH]Vehicle Trips (in millions)[/TH]
[TH]Vehicle Miles (in millions)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]1995[/TD]
[TD]18-24[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]329.98[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]655.90[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]1995[/TD]
[TD]25-29[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]168.56[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]495.87[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]1995[/TD]
[TD]30-34[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]179.58[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]429.56[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]1995[/TD]
[TD]35-39[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]136.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]422.46[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]2001[/TD]
[TD]18-24[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]168.95[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]357.78[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]2001[/TD]
[TD]25-29[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]211.61[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]543.17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]2001[/TD]
[TD]30-34[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]149.58[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]532.30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]2001[/TD]
[TD]35-39[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]184.53[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]457.28[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]18-24[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]360.68[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1,127.20[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]25-29[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]113.33[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]314.48[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]30-34[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]205.48[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]534.39[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]35-39[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]304.84[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1,006.37[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



[TABLE]
[TR="bgcolor: #507CD1"]
[TH]Year[/TH]
[TH]Age[/TH]
[TH]Mode[/TH]
[TH]Person Trips (in millions)[/TH]
[TH]Person Miles (in millions)[/TH]
[TH]Vehicle Trips (in millions)[/TH]
[TH]Vehicle Miles (in millions)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]1995[/TD]
[TD]60-64[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14.72[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16.25[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]1995[/TD]
[TD]65-69[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]26.46[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]58.99[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]1995[/TD]
[TD]70-74[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23.89[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]30.14[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]1995[/TD]
[TD]75-79[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].36[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.29[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]2001[/TD]
[TD]60-64[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62.79[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]185.72[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]2001[/TD]
[TD]65-69[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54.59[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]142.25[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]2001[/TD]
[TD]70-74[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51.62[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]155.67[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]2001[/TD]
[TD]75-79[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]28.36[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55.29[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]60-64[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]94.65[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]285.69[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]65-69[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]100.66[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]278.49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #EFF3FB"]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]70-74[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]77.83[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]160.77[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: White"]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]75-79[/TD]
[TD]Bike[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]69.46[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]160.94[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].00[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Finally, riding a bike and doing some exercise are 2 different things as there are many ways to work out or simply go from A to B.
Playing with the database 18-39 walk more than 60-79

Means of transportation from the database pov, air, transit, walk, bike, other, unreported

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It is coldly logical to understand that older people being generally wiser can understand rolling along on a bike or a trike is far less painful than running. Many can no longer run comfortably, but can bike. Especially if the are riding a recumbent or a trike. Many women including my wife have found that rolling along on a trike with no chance of falling gives them exercise with no pain, and all gain. Just plain fun too!!!!
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Two of the "man on the street" segments come to mind happened on both Jay Leno, and still happens probably once a week on Bill OReilly's program. On OReilly the segment is under Watters world. People tried to get Leno and Watters to admit that they went thru 40 or 50 young people to get the really uninformed. However they both stated that that wasnt true.

Then as far as older women liking trikes, I can refer you to my own wife, and several ladies in the local bent club. Are you saying that there is something wrong with older ladies liking trikes?
I took a speech class in college and we were given an ungraded quiz on current events. (this was prelude to preparing a speech on topical issues). Fewer than half of the students could name the vice president of the U.S.

These were college students.

This was about 1980. (I was one of the minority who knew it was GHW Bush)

People are always complaining how it "ain't like the good ol' days". I've lived a fairly long time, and I haven't seen them days.

EDIT. Try this yourself. Ask five people at random who their congressman is. I am guessing most will not know.

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EDIT. Try this yourself. Ask five people at random who their congressman is. I am guessing most will not know.
Better yet, ask five A&S posters to explain how the data referenced by the the article in the OP validates/justifies the claim that bike use is "skyrocketing" for any age group of people in the U.S.
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I agree with Camilo. The Millennials that I have worked with are just head and shoulders above every other generation that I have lived amongst. These young people have been handed a broken environment (with horrific prospects), a busted economy, expensive education (where we all had near-free universities) and, worst of all, terrifying STDs. What do they do? Many of the ones I know have taught themselves to program computers, learned several foreign languages, become incredibly knowledgeable about history and somehow manage to work more hours than I ever would have at their age. The best part is that they have enormous ability to work in community settings, largely because they are the least selfish generation we've had in a long time. It looks like al they need is for us oldsters to get out of the way.
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Doom and gloom sure sounds a lot more interesting than optimism, but its simply not true.

take any topic you want:
- health: go back and find all these diseases and epidemics that we now no longer fear or even know by name. Things that used to kill or cripple. Polio anyone? I got the swine flu when it came around a few years ago, I'll gladly take that roll of the dice versus Polio or AIDs.
- corporate greed: Founding fathers were plenty corrupt and greedy and egotistical. So were early business Pioneers whose names we worhsip. That's just the sheen of history that's made them into "superhuman".
- global crisis: sure, terrorism is scary. So was the Cold War. Or Vietnam, and seeing lists of the dead, people that are not coming back, weekly. And before that you have your pick of many more wars.
- technology displacing people: robots haven't replaced people yet, funny thing, each generation adapts.
- financial doom and gloom: always going to be peaks and valleys. Nothing but American arrogance would assume we'll always be number one. Roman Empire, anyone? And so what if we don't stay number 1? You think Britain and France turned into 3rd world wastelands just because they're not on top of the world anymore? Great depression, hmm?

Watch Men in Black. Good movie. Key lesson: there always another "crisis", but the world manages to pull through.
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"More than a third of the national increase in biking is coming from people between the ages of 60 and 79, an analysis of federal data shows."
The numbers from a recent bike tour I was on show a high participation rate for 50+ riders.
http://www.palmbiketour.org/about-palm
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The numbers from a recent bike tour I was on show a high participation rate for 50+ riders.
http://www.palmbiketour.org/about-palm
What the numbers show is the marketing bias of one event not a general trend of age groups. They are advertising for this event isn't it?
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Who are you calling old????? I can still do everything I could do when I was 18.......it just takes a lot longer......
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Topical anecdote: There was a nonagenarian cyclist in the small coastal town I used to live in. He always had a long pheasant feather stuck in his WWII veteran's cap and his walker strapped to the rear rack of his Raleigh. I tried to snap a picture of him many times but he was too speedy for me.
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Here's something else my generation has done--created a world where as children the millennials were in more danger of being abducted and sexually molested. No wonder their parents don't let them leave the house. When I was a kid I was outside roaming from dawn until after dark, all summer long. No fear.
The statistics ABSOLUTELY do not bear this out. Crimes of this nature have been declining for years and are lower than they were in the 50s. What HAS increased is the 24 hour TV news cycle which makes its money by perpetuating fear.

You got it right at the end there. What we used to have was crime but "No fear." What we have now is much less crime, but FAR more fear.

Politicians and journalists (and businesses and many others) make their fortunes and remain in power by playing on fear. It's in their best interests to make sure that as many people as possible are as afraid as possible, so that they can report on/protect us from the boogeymen, and so that the afraid people will continue granting them powers that they absolutely would not if they weren't terrified that some terrorist was going to come get them.

There's a piece of writing that complains that the current generation is going to cr4p, are lazy and will never amount to anything - from something like 3000 years ago. And I bet if you dug hard enough you could find one from absolutely every era since writing was invented.
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And Heaven help us if we get into a war--if it's drone-warfare we might be okay, but if it's boots on the ground we can forget it. These kids won't get off the couch except to stuff their faces. All they know is video games. I hope our gamers are better than the Russians or the Chinese.

Crap. I sound like my grandfather.
OT, but my teenager likes to play against all nationalities and I gather from listening and watching that they generally are, at least at the higher levels.

I don't worry about sedentary kids in the military though. They're pretty good at whipping young men into shape.
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Old 07-26-14, 09:50 AM   #45
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This under-30 crowd scares the crap out of me. They want the entire country riding bikes and going green, but it doesn't look like they're very good at practicing what they preach. They're also the ones who will be paying into SS and Medicare when I'm drawing out of it. Thus far I'm not impressed with their work ethic and earning potential.

And Heaven help us if we get into a war--if it's drone-warfare we might be okay, but if it's boots on the ground we can forget it. These kids won't get off the couch except to stuff their faces. All they know is video games. I hope our gamers are better than the Russians or the Chinese.

Crap. I sound like my grandfather.
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I completely agree--and I'm 59, BTW.
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Actually it's not their fault. Education has gotten too expensive and too many 20 to 30 year olds are carrying far too much debt. There is a reason why the formation of new households is down; this demographic can't afford to start out life.
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