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    Are bike share prgrams responsible for more Head INjuries?


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    I don't bother to read anything on Fox News, unless and until it appears on more credible news sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyl View Post
    I don't bother to read anything on Fox News, unless and until it appears on more credible news sources.
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    Transcript, or article reported in writing with attributions, please?

    Not going to waste.limited bandwidth on fox video...
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    The article wasn't as I had thought ( anti bike ). It was brought out that our cities are not particularly bike friendly and indicated they should be. IMO it should have been pointed out that more injuries, are likely due to more riding as a result of bike sharing programs.

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    Why yes Fox news is full of Ad hominem and many other logical fallacies!

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    Media news is entertainment, not a public service, and each outlet has its target audience it caters to.
    If one can't separate the facts from the spin and feels compelled attack the source, then they are simply broadcasting their own bias.

    Obviously more people riding bicycles will increase bicycle related injuries, its fluff "news".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
    Media news is entertainment, not a public service, and each outlet has its target audience it caters to.
    If one can't separate the facts from the spin and feels compelled attack the source, then they are simply broadcasting their own bias.

    Obviously more people riding bicycles will increase bicycle related injuries, its fluff "news".
    But only one so-called news channel ever used the fact that it is not a source of news but is an entertainment channel as a legal defence, hence the lack of credibility of that particular source.

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    I never watch any of the local affiliate stations. I stick with CNN. Sure I won't get local news on CNN. But when the local news is a lot of the same thing happening, I don't waste my time listening to it. Especially the traffic reports, those are for cagers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    But only one so-called news channel ever used the fact that it is not a source of news but is an entertainment channel as a legal defence, hence the lack of credibility of that particular source.
    How does that compare to using fake-but-accurate as a legal defense?

    Geez, the dearth of critical/logical thinking here is depressing.

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    Oh yeah, Fox is so bad....

    Here are some more links for you sensitive types. Not sure if this is true or not, but now maybe we can focus on the issue and not some silly biases

    Brain Injury Rates on the Rise in Cities With Bike-Share Programs

    Proportion of head injuries rises in cities with bike share programs - The Washington Post

    Head Injury Risk Rose In Cities After Bike-Sharing Rolled Out : Shots - Health News : NPR




    There's more...
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    Meh. Brain injury rates skyrocketed with the introduction of the automobile.
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    This is BS. The news was debunked two weeks ago and the researchers involved put under the microscope for their ridiculous media claims which conflict with their own data. Old news I really can't be bothered to link to any of this stuff.

    oh ok here is one article: The media got it wrong: Bikeshare programs don't increase head injuries - Vox

    whats surprising / not surprising is that Fox is running a two week old de-bunked news story without mentioning the follow up stories. Pathetic - almost everything coming out of those anchors' mouths was a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    But only one so-called news channel ever used the fact that it is not a source of news but is an entertainment channel as a legal defence, hence the lack of credibility of that particular source.
    That they are the "only one" who are actually willing to admit it isn't exactly a mark against them.....unless their flavor isn't to your taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus1 View Post
    Why yes news is full of Ad hominem and many other logical fallacies!
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    That doctor has some good points that bike share promotes health in general, but could have easily done some research and surprised the anchor with the great point that the study actually shows a decrease in brain injuries, rather than a meaningless increase in risk of head injuries relative to other injuries (this last point is the point the news have misunderstood).

    Then the doctor spun the interview round to his own research, so he's half savvy. Eating fish prevents concussion - thats pretty rad. Might break out the speargun tomorrow.

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    Fox news should be in favor of brain injuries. It might increase their audience.
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    Are bike share programs responsible for more Head Injuries? And/or are they responsible for safer intersections?

    I don't know the answer to either, but here's one study or ("study", if you prefer) to say they make intersections safer...

    Study Finds Number of Cyclists Needed to Boost Safety | Bicycling Magazine
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    The problem with ALL discussions of head injuries, including bicycle related ones, is that folks often fail to separate numbers from rate. Bicycling accounts for a fair number of head injuries, but that because so many people bicycle. The actual rate of head injury is fairly low, and is much lower than many other sports. If the same number of people played hockey as bicycled (at the same mix of skill levels) the number of head injuries would boggle the mind.

    So, it stands to reason that as bike share programs increase the number of urban bicycle trips, the number of injuries (all kinds) will rise. However, it's entirely possible that increased numbers of bicycles on the streets will condition drivers, and the total accident rate will go down. Depending on how it plays out, we can see an increase in the numbers, and a decrease in the rate at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by work4bike View Post
    Oh yeah, Fox is so bad....

    Here are some more links for you sensitive types. Not sure if this is true or not, but now maybe we can focus on the issue and not some silly biases

    Brain Injury Rates on the Rise in Cities With Bike-Share Programs

    Proportion of head injuries rises in cities with bike share programs - The Washington Post

    Head Injury Risk Rose In Cities After Bike-Sharing Rolled Out : Shots - Health News : NPR


    There's more...

    Totally false and debunked already. ALL injuries went DOWN. Head injuries included. Head injuries just didn't go down as fast as other injures. It's anti-bike BS.
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