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Old 07-14-14, 12:25 PM   #26
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Phone records are used all the time in accident cases. Creating laws to try and correct things that cant be corrected most of the time never works. In most states it isnt illegal to be on the phone. How can you fine someone for doing something not illegal?
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Wrong. I have talked to my legislators about this.
Congratulations. Revealing word choice, 'talked to' rather than 'talked with.' From observing in this forum, it seems you do a lot of 'talking to,' ie spouting your own opinions without any interest in dialog, anyone else's opinion, or learning anything. I imagine your 'talking to' the legislators will be just as effective as your 'talking to' here.
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Old 07-14-14, 07:03 PM   #28
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And with that, the thread has probably died, never getting to it's intended destination. It was looking for a road map a while back.
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Old 07-14-14, 08:28 PM   #29
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And with that, the thread has probably died, never getting to it's intended destination. It was looking for a road map a while back.
And what do you think its intended destination was? I'm genuinely curious. Because it seemed to me that the original post was not an actual question being posed, like usually when the sentence begins 'How about...'

This wasn't a question at all; you'll notice he didn't explain why this supposed new law was a good idea, why it was needed, how it would work, nor did he answer anyone's queries about problems with it. Instead it was a proclamation.

There are a lot of people who actually engage in dialog on this forum; they may argue back and forth but they actually can explain their position, buttress it with some kind of evidence (even if anecdotal), and make an effort to engage with those who disagree. To pull two names at random, spare wheel and kickstart may never agree about anything here, but they can actually have a conversation within some agreed-upon frame of reality.

In contrast, when rydabent posts, despite his claimed 'cold logic,' it is just his pronouncement, 'how it is' according to him, no evidence, no engagement, no answers. He deserves to be called out on that, so I did.
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Old 07-14-14, 09:17 PM   #30
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See, it took a wrong turn at Albuquerque then.

Seriously, it's good for venting your soul's frustration to put such things here I suppose but yes, it doesn't always help a lot. Then we get horrific casualty reports and spectator speculation about whose hands are in whose pies/pockets and that's what Brian was telling us back in 2007 when he was wondering out loud if this section should be closed.

I don't think so really but we all need to police our thoughts and feelings before starting a *Lovitz-Crystalfest of, "Oh, yeah? Well...insert worse situation or gripe here"...

*for the young, an old Jon Lovitz-Billy Crystal skit seen regularly on Saturday Night Line in the 1980s.
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Old 07-15-14, 07:17 AM   #31
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See, it took a wrong turn at Albuquerque then.

Seriously, it's good for venting your soul's frustration to put such things here I suppose but yes, it doesn't always help a lot. Then we get horrific casualty reports and spectator speculation about whose hands are in whose pies/pockets and that's what Brian was telling us back in 2007 when he was wondering out loud if this section should be closed.

I don't think so really but we all need to police our thoughts and feelings before starting a *Lovitz-Crystalfest of, "Oh, yeah? Well...insert worse situation or gripe here"...

*for the young, an old Jon Lovitz-Billy Crystal skit seen regularly on Saturday Night Line in the 1980s.

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ps: Why on earth should we 'police our thoughts'? It is, after all, a FORUM for discussion. Those who can't marshall their thoughts to form an argument or control their emotions are likely to get bruised...maybe they'll learn something.
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A hands free headset would still be a good idea even in those situations but you make an excellent point. You can't make anything idiot proof because they just come up with better idiots.
I've seen studies that the level of distraction isn't that much different between hands free and holding the phone for voice calls. The key in both situations is that the driver is speaking to someone outside the car. If talking to a passenger, the passenger knows instinctively to disengage in heavy traffic and can even help spot hazards. But someone on the other end of the phone doesn't and holds the attention of the driver with no consideration of driving conditions. And drivers are less likely to disengage from a conversation with a caller to focus on traffic, than they are to disengage from a passenger.

I need to dig up that study again.
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I don't really know the answer but people in general are not smart enough to multitask. It is obvious how much more complicated it is than just blocking a moving signal. But something needs to be done and I have no idea what the answer is. Whatever they decide to do it must be proactive not reactive and to be effective it would have to somehow include all distractions. You can look at our judicial system now and see how well reactive solutions work. Maybe those self driving cars aren't so bad after all.
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People on hands free devices pay as little attention to driving as people holding the phone to their ear. To me the most dangerous are people texting, tweeting and updating Facebook status while driving because they are usually looking down. But no matter what you do people will find ways to distract themselves while driving. Playing with the radio, putting on make up, eating, drinking, talking to passengers, hooting at girls on the sidewalk. I see it all where I live. I've even been in the car with someone eating a meal that involved using utensils so they had 0 hands on the wheel while driving. And what I've found is that no matter how stupid it is people find a way to justify their actions even when they know it's wrong.
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They already have that in Georgia and Tennessee.

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How about creating a law that says anyone that causes an accident who was found to be on a cell phone will have his or her penality doubled. This would apply both to car, property and cycling accidents.
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