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    Helmet idea

    I live in Montreal, helmets aren't mandatory here (yet) and i didn't want something bulky or dorky, but at least minimal head protection. My dad got doored very badly a couple summers ago, was put in artificial coma.
    So i decided on this vintage Bulgarian (what looks like motorcycle or aviator?) real leather helmet! It has those strip pads like old bike helmets used to have. I figure it looks interesting and better than nothing, right? And the price is decent, under $60 shipped!
    What do you think about it?

    UPD: Ok this seems to be Bulgarian paratroopers' helmet from 1950s!

    I haven't yet seen anyone wear one of these as bike helmet and it's such an obvious solution! The more often seen types are the Soviet ones (десантный/прыжковый шлем) made of canvas fabric, but i much prefer this one, even though it's Bulgarian ha ha
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    There is a reason its "old" and you see nobody using them... It is outdated.. it will not not provide a fraction the protection modern helmets would, and from the looks of it, it will provide no protection to the front of your head. Maybe its just me, but I would rather look "dorky" then have brain damage or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexxer View Post
    There is a reason its "old" and you see nobody using them... It is outdated.. it will not not provide a fraction the protection modern helmets would, and from the looks of it, it will provide no protection to the front of your head. Maybe its just me, but I would rather look "dorky" then have brain damage or worse.
    Well, i think it will offer at least minimal protection (considering that it was designed for parachute landing!) and it looks original as a bike helmet, i have yet to see a single person wear one in my town. And it's not like the idea is stupid, quiet the contrary if i may say so myself.

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    Maybe it's just me, but these helmets give me such feels... we used to wear army, tank, plane helmets as boys in Soviet Union
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    Quote Originally Posted by autism View Post
    I live in Montreal, helmets aren't mandatory here (yet) and i didn't want something bulky or dorky, but at least minimal head protection. My dad got doored very badly a couple summers ago, was put in artificial coma.
    So i decided on this vintage Bulgarian (what looks like motorcycle or aviator?) real leather helmet! It has those strip pads like old bike helmets used to have. I figure it looks interesting and better than nothing, right? And the price is decent, under $60 shipped!
    What do you think about it?
    Go for it. It is just as likely to significantly reduce your risk of serious injury from cycling as the current stuff on the market "designed" for that purpose, and will make you feel safer just like the current crop of helmet wearing cyclists.

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    If you want to look interesting, go to a craft store, buy some foam blocks and a roll of duct tape and make your own helmet. For added protection you can put a layer of tin foil over the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    If you want to look interesting, go to a craft store, buy some foam blocks and a roll of duct tape and make your own helmet. For added protection you can put a layer of tin foil over the top.
    I think a vintage Eastern Bloc light helmet looks more interesting than anything i could make myself or sold in modern stores. But hey, i was just sharing an original idea.
    Speaking of which, i'd love to ride that dear old Soviet START-SHOSSE bike in North America 21st century!
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    Quote Originally Posted by autism View Post
    I think a vintage Soviet helmet looks more interesting than anything i could make myself. But hey, i was just sharing an original idea.
    Speaking of which, i'd love to get a hold of a vintage crude Soviet Start-Shosse bike in North America 21st century!
    Those old helmets would look good if you're riding a Vespa. Especially if your dog is sitting in the sidecar wearing the helmet and goggles. For a bicycle though, I'd just get a regular helmet.

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    For some weird reason, i feel like a shill trying to push my wares, not that there's anything wrong with that.
    But the fact is, i don't own, distribute or am in any way connected to these helmets, i just wanted to share and it came out weird as it usually does in my case, i actually have no interest in anyone buying it, the more original and unique i will be.

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    Might help with superficial injuries -- road rash, scalp separation, cuts, things like that -- but the impact mitigation will be minimal. Probably most useful fighting the cold up there in Montreal...

    Reminds me of the old "hairnet" style of early bike helmets:

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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    Might help with superficial injuries -- road rash, scalp separation, cuts, things like that -- but the impact mitigation will be minimal. Probably most useful fighting the cold up there in Montreal...

    Reminds me of the old "hairnet" style of early bike helmets:

    I love it! That was the helmet i was going to get in the first place and then i thought of the old Soviet ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    If you want to look interesting, go to a craft store, buy some foam blocks and a roll of duct tape and make your own helmet. For added protection you can put a layer of tin foil over the top.
    Another interesting helmet style likely to provide the same degree of risk reduction as the pricey helmets at the LBS! Thanks. Keep 'em coming!

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    I'll offer up a couple of points about that helmet (hopefully without starting some sort of helmeted-vs-nonhelmeted war for supremacy), but it seems like you're set on getting it either way.

    1. It probably won't offer up as much protection as any modern helmet designed for bikes. There's plenty of current scientific research out there showing the efficacy of bicycle helmets in preventing and minimizing head and brain injuries after accidents. So if you're in an accident, they do provide a good amount of help. It's like seat belts in a car: wearing them doesn't prevent accidents, or even always save your life, but they significantly reduce your chances of injury during a collision. That being said, this leather helmet, while it may look cool, will in almost no way provide serious head protection aside from potentially reducing any road rash on your scalp should you crash out and bump your noggin.

    2. Another reason why I would avoid this type of helmet: It'll be a sweat trap. Your head will get seriously hot riding in this thing! That's another reason bike helmets are designed the way are. All those vents (I like 'em plenty vented!) let the wind rush through your magnificent hair, cooling your magnificent head. Obviously, you get more of a cooling effect when you ride sans helmet.

    Will you look cool in this helmet? Potentially. It will at least make you stand out, whether for good or bad reasons. Will you be even minimally safer in this in this "helmet"? No. The reason is that the material used to create bicycle helmets absorbs and more evenly distributes the force of the blow, instead of compacting it on a single point. The leather helmet is more like a cushion, which will slightlydull, but not distribute the force, so it will still result in a more direct, focal blow than a standard bike helmet will. There are some compelling reasons why you haven't seen anyone use these as a bike helmet.... oh well, I'm all for more people riding bikes, helmeted or not! Do what you will, good sir!

    On a related note: Have you looked into Nutcase? Not my particular style, but they make "cool" helmets for people who don't want dorky, utilitarian-style helmets. Might be worth checking out.
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    Btw i wasn't lying about dooring. This is my dad after getting doored in Montreal a couple years ago (graphic!) http://i.imgur.com/rRA31GZ.jpg
    He never found out what happened. Even if the cops found out who was responsible, they never told my dad anything to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Another interesting helmet style likely to provide the same degree of risk reduction as the pricey helmets at the LBS! Thanks. Keep 'em coming!
    I do love the looks of those old leather helmet... sure look better than the old Bell Mushrooms we used to wear in the 80s. However, On what do you base your assertion that these are likely to be as protective as modern helmets? Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaisersling View Post
    I do love the looks of those old leather helmet... sure look better than the old Bell Mushrooms we used to wear in the 80s. However, On what do you base your assertion that these are likely to be as protective as modern helmets? Just curious.
    Mostly based on the relatively insignificant risk reduction offered to non racer bicyclists by current bicycle helmets sold in the U.S. A ball cap works as well, probably better, for protection from the sun, and offers the same insignificant overall risk reduction of serious injury. More info can be found in the helmet thread where no doubt this thread is headed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Mostly based on the relatively insignificant risk reduction offered to non racer bicyclists by current bicycle helmets sold in the U.S. A ball cap works as well, probably better, for protection from the sun, and offers the same insignificant overall risk reduction of serious injury. More info can be found in the helmet thread where no doubt this thread is headed.
    This is wildly inaccurate! There's a reason I stopped going into the helmet thread, and why I probably shouldn't have jumped into this topic either. I'll say it just once: Opinion does not equal fact. Wear a helmet, don't wear a helmet, it's your head. But to claim they're not effective at injury prevention following an accident is silly and inaccurate. Here are links to scientific studies looking at the efficacy of helmets at preventing and reducing significant head injury:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Bicycle+helmets+are+highly+effective+at+preventing+head+injury+during+head+impact%3A+head-form+accelerations+and+injury+criteria+for+helmeted+and+unhelmeted+impacts.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23377086
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=A+computational+simulation+study+of+the+influence+of+helmet+wearing+on+head+injury+risk+in+adu lt+cyclists

    These articles, if you can gain access to them that is, all reference other experiments and studies that overwhelmingly conclude that helmets offer a significant benefit to a rider who gets in an accident.

    If anyone wants access to these articles and can't, PM me and I will download and send them to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by autism View Post
    Btw i wasn't lying about dooring. This is my dad after getting doored in Montreal a couple years ago (graphic!) http://i.imgur.com/rRA31GZ.jpg
    He never found out what happened. Even if the cops found out who was responsible, they never told my dad anything to this day.
    I don't know that a helmet would have helped him at all, certainly not the non-helmet head covering you are thinking to purchase...

    Dang man, hope he's doing OK now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
    I don't know that a helmet would have helped him at all, certainly not the non-helmet head covering you are thinking to purchase...

    Dang man, hope he's doing OK now...
    He wasn't wearing any helmet, now he always wears one when biking

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    Quote Originally Posted by autism View Post
    Btw i wasn't lying about dooring. This is my dad after getting doored in Montreal a couple years ago (graphic!) http://i.imgur.com/rRA31GZ.jpg
    He never found out what happened. Even if the cops found out who was responsible, they never told my dad anything to this day.
    Holy ****. I hope he fully recovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    Holy ****. I hope he fully recovered.
    Thanks, he's ok now

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    Quote Originally Posted by autism View Post
    I live in Montreal, helmets aren't mandatory here (yet) and i didn't want something bulky or dorky, but at least minimal head protection. My dad got doored very badly a couple summers ago, was put in artificial coma.
    So i decided on this vintage Bulgarian (what looks like motorcycle or aviator?) real leather helmet! It has those strip pads like old bike helmets used to have. I figure it looks interesting and better than nothing, right? And the price is decent, under $60 shipped!
    What do you think about it?

    UPD: Ok this seems to be Bulgarian paratroopers' helmet from 1950s!

    I haven't yet seen anyone wear one of these as bike helmet and it's such an obvious solution! The more often seen types are the Soviet ones (десантный/прыжковый шлем) made of canvas fabric, but i much prefer this one, even though it's Bulgarian ha ha
    I would rather stick pins in my eyeballs than to wear that thing on my head on a hot 30 + degree day with 80 + % humidity on a summer day in Montreal. Long before I fell and cracked my skull due to the absolute minimum protection provided by that thing my head would explode due to excessive heat buildup
    Anyone who wore that thing would look tens times as dorky as someone wearing a standard bicycle helmet

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    Studies are not facts.....

    You can find a study for whatever side your on.

    You can find a study that says 1/2 thick coating of lard on your toast in the morning is good for you......Just ask the pork board......

    If you like it,wear it.....better than nothing.....MAYBE.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Booger1 View Post
    Studies are not facts.....

    You can find a study for whatever side your on.

    You can find a study that says 1/2 thick coating of lard on your toast in the morning is good for you......Just ask the pork board......
    I can't believe I'm letting myself fall down this rabbit hole... but here we go! Scientific studies provide evidence for a particular line of reasoning, as in "Helmets increase the safety of bicycle riders because of [repeatedly tested and validated statements A, B, and C]." When you explore an idea, through repeated testing and validation, you are providing evidence that either supports or invalidates that idea. When you just spout out baseless and meaningless drivel like "Baseball hats are as effective at preventing head injury as bicycle helmets" as fact though, that's a disservice to people who are genuinely interested in personal safety and the efficacy of helmets.

    And also, you're right. You can find a study that says just about anything, but that's not what science is. Just because a study comes out and says something, doesn't make it fact. But when you have many people exploring the same idea, and continually coming to the same conclusion through experimentation and epidemiology, the basis for facts has been built. Science is about reproducible experiments that form ideas: a consensus of informed decisions. What I provided are not just one-off studies, but are based on years of research into this topic.
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    One of our maintenance guys used to stop at a Mexican grocery store every morning and pick up bread with lard on it. It was the best thing I've ever eaten. Until somebody told me what was on it.

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