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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    IME based on personal experience, and anecdotal evidence from friends (1st hand), if you're going to crash with a car, you're usually better off if you hit the car than if the car hits you.
    I suspect that this is true, though I also suspect that this has less to do with what part of the car hits you/you hit but instead more with the speeds involved.

    If you hit a car, your speed is probably between 5 and 25 mph.
    If the car hits you, it's speed is probably between 5 and 80 mph.

    (And whichever vehicle is moving faster is the one that's most likely to be deemed to have hit the other one. The only likely exception to that is probably when hit at close to a 90 degree angle.)

    Lower speeds tend to result in injuries, but anything over 40 mph is quite likely to result in death.

    Also, if the car hits you, there's the chance of it running *over* you, but if you hit it it probably won't, especially if it wasn't moving at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
    Take it to the everlasting gobstopper thread. (Some folks can both execute the skill *AND* wear the thing that must not be named.)

    -mr. bill
    I didn't say anything about the un-named thing. I said "head injuries" and "skill".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
    NOBODY, NOBODY drives like every approaching car is going to left (or right in jolly old) hook you. NOBODY, NOBODY, should ride that way either.
    oh hell i do


    as a motor- and pedal cyclist i KNOW every cager is out to kill me, and if i didnt ride how i do, i would die every single day!


    ride that way or die, and i aint planning on getting killed by a coffin on wheels

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    I'd be scared to ride behind someone that slowed at every intersection, it would be one thing to stop pedaling and cover the brake and another to slow EVERY TIME they thought that there is a slight possibility of being in an accident. Perhaps Dunbar, you live in a more rural area, but where I commute and ride I'd be stopping/slowing every few feet and the point of riding a bike would lose it's purpose, I might as well walk or wait for public transportation.

    Unless you are working on sprintervals....then stop and go all day.

    Otherwise I'd imagine vehicle drivers would gladly take advantage of a cyclist riding in a beyond defensive pattern. I know if I rode that way I might as well put tassels on my bars and take it to the sidewalk, at least I'd be respected for knowing "my place" in traffic. I am not saying to ride belligerently, but ride with some cojones​.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
    Yes, yes, yes some of us do ride defensively especially near intersections like that. The car was using a turn signal, gee you think it might turn there? I don't know how many times I would've have been hit now if I rode like every car was going to yield to me like they were supposed to. I see plenty of cyclists riding like that though (I guess they're relying on their good karma.)

    Doesn't do you a whole lot of good to be in the right legally and severely injured or dead. And BTW, cars travel at much higher speeds than bicycles so your anecdote about being in a left hook automobile accident is not particularly relevant here.
    Looking forward to my winter commuting adventure.....

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    Good thing he was wearing shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chitown_Mike View Post
    Perhaps Dunbar, you live in a more rural area, but where I commute and ride I'd be stopping/slowing every few feet and the point of riding a bike would lose it's purpose, I might as well walk or wait for public transportation.
    I ride 9-10k miles per year in coastal Los Angeles county. Not a commuter though so coasting for 5-10 seconds every few minutes isn't a big deal. I pick my route(s) carefully to minimize risks like that. You don't always need to slow either to avoid a left hook. If you can swerve to the right while braking that works too (remember you're at an intersection.) However, the guy in the video was clearly going too fast to do any of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
    I ride 9-10k miles per year in coastal Los Angeles county. Not a commuter though so coasting for 5-10 seconds every few minutes isn't a big deal. I pick my route(s) carefully to minimize risks like that. You don't always need to slow either to avoid a left hook. If you can swerve to the right while braking that works too (remember you're at an intersection.) However, the guy in the video was clearly going too fast to do any of that.
    I will also pick and choose my route based on both my personal experience, and those of other cyclists. Plus time of day is huge, I'll ride just about any street pre-6:30 AM because traffic is light and most of the drunks have gone home. When I fun ride I am a little more "loose" in the saddle since I am not hauling anything other than my chunky butt and some food, but I do enjoy a fast ride so I can relate to the gent in the OP video.

    However, 22 mph in the rain in a road environment like that could have been too fast for conditions, I'll concede that to the critics of the accident. Still, glad he was still alive and (from what the video stated) was compensated.
    Looking forward to my winter commuting adventure.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chitown_Mike View Post
    However, 22 mph in the rain in a road environment like that could have been too fast for conditions, I'll concede that to the critics of the accident.
    Yes, I'm not picking on the rider in the video since I see plenty of cyclists riding like that. He doesn't even pause for one pedal stroke in the beginning of the video when that car is poking its hood out blocking the entire bike lane and 1/3 of the traffic lane. I used to take plenty of chances like that but would have close calls on a fairly regular basis. Once I started slowing down a bit in certain situations the frequency of those close calls went way down. And man, if that short video clip is any indication that road looks like a nightmare for cyclists.
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