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Old 03-31-05, 04:06 PM   #26
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Ok, Stu Thomsen teaches bike cops, and the TV show was Pacific Blue from 1996. There's your trivia.
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Old 03-31-05, 04:16 PM   #27
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I've had a few run-ins with the bike cops in Seattle. Once when I was a messenger and I was waiting at a red light that I would normally run I asked the bike cop waiting next to me if he thought he could catch me if I ran the light, and he asked if I thought I could dodge a bullet. Still cracks me up to think about.

The other time I saw a bike cop tackle a guy he was chasing from the bike. It was harsh as the cop used the bad guy to break his fall. Then before the 'suspect' could even get up the cop pepper sprayed the guy in the face. I guess he was tired of chasing him.
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The other time I saw a bike cop tackle a guy he was chasing from the bike. It was harsh as the cop used the bad guy to break his fall. Then before the 'suspect' could even get up the cop pepper sprayed the guy in the face. I guess he was tired of chasing him.
Most cops don't like to wait and see if a suspect is armed, hence they need to be a bit aggressive. If the cop jumped from his bike and tackled the guy, that's pretty hardcore.
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Wasn't there a terrible TV show about them several years ago? Baywatch on bikes or something?
My friend loved that show when we were in middle school (we were both biking/ skater punks). I think it was called Pacific Blue.
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What are your experiences with bike cops?
I'm friends with a bike cop who is also a cyclist. He is pretty hard core, he regularly rides centuries and has cop shoes with cleats. He got on the news last year when he chased a guy on a motor scooter across town for several miles until he called in a helicopter to nab him.

He told me about catching a bike thief in the act one time and chasing the guy for miles, close enough for the guy to taunt him the whole way. He eventually closed in enough to jump from his bike and tackle the guy. He said, "That crackhead was in better shape than half the force!"
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Our bike Police are great, they organize a 'Tour de Rock' race to benefit cancer research. Less polution, quicker downtown reaction times for calls. I see no downside.

http://www.ltgov.bc.ca/whatsnew/sp/sp_sep10_01_2004.htm Some are bike police, some are police that are cyclists. Either way, they are good guys.

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I'm friends with a bike cop who is also a cyclist. He is pretty hard core, he regularly rides centuries and has cop shoes with cleats. He got on the news last year when he chased a guy on a motor scooter across town for several miles until he called in a helicopter to nab him.

He told me about catching a bike thief in the act one time and chasing the guy for miles, close enough for the guy to taunt him the whole way. He eventually closed in enough to jump from his bike and tackle the guy. He said, "That crackhead was in better shape than half the force!"
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Funny this thread came up cause even though I've never seen many of em, I saw like 5-6 of them in a 2 block span today strolling around on their mtb with knobbies. What the hell were they thinking, hell I'll offer to redesign their whole force for free.
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Funny this thread came up cause even though I've never seen many of em, I saw like 5-6 of them in a 2 block span today strolling around on their mtb with knobbies. What the hell were they thinking, hell I'll offer to redesign their whole force for free.
Ya, if I was a police-cyclist i'd be "Gimme a Lemond and some really nice wheels, I'll catch WAY more crooks."
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Our police department has a pretty strict "no-pursuit" policy when it comes to cars. Because of the risks involved in chasing cars in a dense urban setting, officers may not chase cars unless the driver can be charged with a violent felony. I asked my friend whether the policy applies to bicycles; he said the department hasn't made a determination, and he hopes it never does!

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Believe it or not I've recently applied for a position on the Atlanta PD and I dream of being a bike cop. Can you imagine being paid to ride all day?
You get to ride all day with a ticket book and a gun.
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Are bike cops really as clueless about vehicular cycling as I have been led to believe?
Would more cops on bikes in my city be a good thing for cycling in my city, in general?

This article mentions that they are gonna increase numbers of bike cops in some areas that I ride
on a daily basis... and I'm just a little bit apprehensive.
Hmmm...maybe a wrong approach. Once cops are riding on bikes, seeing their strengths and limitations on the highways and suburban roadways, I think it will help them be more understanding of the challenges which riders face. I might add, that undercover cops on bikes might be an even better idea; then motorists would have to think carefully about the poor treatment they give many riders; they might get ticketed.

To me, the more bikes on the road, the better.

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undercover cops on bikes might be an even better idea; then motorists would have to think carefully about the poor treatment they give many riders; they might get ticketed.
This is a good idea that was once discusssed by the local bicycle advisory committee and the police bureau, but I don't think it was ever implemented.
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Do they make Burley Police Trailers to haul the perps away in? "Watch your head sir..."
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Do they make Burley Police Trailers to haul the perps away in? "Watch your head sir..."
Wouldn't a police tandem be more appropriate? Make the perp start repaying his debt to society right away from the stoker's seat?
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Maybe I'll put some POLICE stickers on ours...
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Maybe I'll put some POLICE stickers on ours...

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I'd be less tempted to taunt the bike police if they were riding these.
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Well I am a bike cop and I tend to ride on my on time as well as the governments nickle.

I commute to work on my bike as well.

I was certified as a Bike Officer by the Law Enforcement Bicycling Association. www.leba.org The LEBA is a very positive road model for street riding and procedures. The 40 hour class I took was a blast even with the few planned and unplanned spills. Bike Patrol is my favorite duty.

My training and disposition is that bikes are vehicles designed to be riden on the road. My training had 15 to 20 mile rides every day through the city of Orlando as well as the main roads going through the many suburbs. I am leery of the road but it is a healthy fear as it keeps me on my toes.

Due to the needs of the job and the locations where I patrol the sidewalks get a good workout as well as allys and open ground. I would love a nice road bike for long rides but the knobby tired MTB is by far the best choice for the job. I much prefer the comment about you not being able to outrun a Motorola. Chasing is a bit of a risk and simply calling you in to a radio car makes more sense. Or try and take that road bike off road and see how fast you are.

My job brings me in contact with many cyclists and I get the impression they prefer "one of their own" riding the streets. I do tend to get pissed off at red light runners being cars or bikes and am not averse to writing tickets to both.

I work for a federal agency and patrol a campus with many buildings, roads and walkways but do not patrol in the city proper. As such my job is a little easier and safer than the city cops. Even so the bike is one of the best methods to get us in the publics view as well as quick response in congested areas.

I wish every Police department in the country was able to field a bike patrol.
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Or try and take that road bike off road and see how fast you are.
Thank god I have a cross bike.

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Thanks for the post, FotoTomas.
I'm glad I started this thread. I have learned something, and I am less skeptical now.

They really do need to be all-terrain, visible, and highly mobile.
More cops on bikes in my town, on the sidewalk or not, will be a good thing.



I might try to do some research and find out where our guys are gonna be trained.
I realized that I am mainly concerned about the Durham PD, they are notoriously disfunctional.

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I might try to do some research and find out where our guys are gonna be trained.
I realized that I am maily concerned about the Durham PD, they are notoriously disfunctional.
IPMBA training has been mentioned in this thread previously by atbman. Here's a review of an article about IPMBA's Police Cyclist course.
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A good article on the International Police Mountain Bike Association's Police Cyclist course appears in the April 2004 edition of LAW and ORDER magazine. The article goes over why the course is important for bike patrol officers, what type of bicycle is ideal for the training, and the details of the curriculum.

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"Officers learn the legal definition of "bicycle" versus "vehicle" versus "motor vehicle" and why it is important to understand the difference. They are taught how to select in which lane to ride when multiple lanes exist, based on where they want to end up. Does the officer need to turn right, left, or continue straight?"

"...officers are encouraged to become so familiar with effective street cycling that it becomes second nature, allowing them to concentrate on good policing practices."

New information for me included the discussion law-enforcement specific techniques such as maintaining control of one's weapon, and fast dismounts.

The article was written by officer Kathleen Vonk of the Ann Arbor, MI Police.

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Here's information about IPMBA training in North Carolina that was sent to me back in November of 2004
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IPMBA Police Cyclist Course, May 16 - 20, 2005, Manteo, NC
Where : DARE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, 962 MARSHALL C. COLLINS DRIVE, MANTEO, NC 27954
Schedule : CLASS STARTS AT 0800 HOURS ON MONDAY THE 16TH OF MAY, ENDS ON FRIDAY 20TH
Instructors : GEORGE H. BOWMAN, DARE COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICE, PCI# 658
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Registration : GEORGE H. BOWMAN 1-252-475-9178 georgeb@co.dare.nc.us

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I realized that I am maily concerned about the Durham PD, they are notoriously disfunctional.
You might want to consider going to the Chief and advocating that all Durham PD officers be trained with The Law's for All: The Case for Bicycle Enforcement program materials.

The IPMBA site has an article on the topic that was written by the same officer who authored the video & brochure. This program is cited in the Massachusetts Statewide Bicycle Transportation Plan and in San Franciso's Bike Plan

BTW, I live in Cary and have copies of the video & brochure for the program.
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The Durham NC police web site is well built but the bike patrol is sadly missing. With the exception of the Housing police and park rangers, cops on bicycles are pretty much ignored.

A simple google search on "Bike Patrol" will provide thousands of choices from the silly to the sincere on the status of cops on bikes in our communities.

The LEBA and the IPMBA are two organizations that excell in getting the bike patrol concept off to a quick start with a solid foundation of the skills needed to be effective as a bike cop.

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The LEBA and the IPMBA are two organizations that excell in getting the bike patrol concept off to a quick start with a solid foundation of the skills needed to be effective as a bike cop.
In case there's a choice between the training provided by those two organizations, here's an opinion that was posted to rec.bicycles.soc:
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I don't think that LEBA's training is based on vehicular/Effective(TM) cycling. A local LEBA-trained bike cop told our local cycling club that cycling on sidewalks is safer than cycling on roadways.

Our local police department has also resisted cyclists' attempts to repeal discriminatory local ordinances that required cyclists to use sidewalks where present and stay to the extreme right at all times with no exceptions. Eventually, however, they caved and allowed these ordinances to be repealed - then the police chief drafted a bunch of even worse laws regulating the use of low-speed-motor vehicles and golf cars, requiring drivers of such motor vehicles to operate in an unpredictable "pedestrian on wheels" manner that competent vehicular cyclists know is very dangerous.

Local cycling organizations are now trying to encourage the police department to switch to training through IPMBA. IPMBA makes a big deal about their vehicular cycling content; it is popularly considered the best available for police cyclists.

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