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09-23-14, 07:39 PM
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The arrogant "ME ME ME" attitude that is on display by the anti-shoulder radicals lead me to believe a lot of these people, like Schill, just simply enjoy antagonizing people more than anything else. With such petty nitpickery and moot scenarios, it's almost as if they enjoy being angry and look for anything to get tweaked over.
09-23-14, 10:14 PM
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Thanks OP c_bach for posting the provocative video. As a staunch cyclist, I have to say that she is doing a disservice to us cyclists who try responsibly to work at getting along with motorists. Like most of us, us cyclists also drive cars. As a motorist, I would be perturbed at best at this cyclist hogging the lane, legal or not. The shoulder did look fine to me, regardless, if you, Ms. Schill, truly deem that that shoulder is unsafe or otherwise inappropriate to ride in, please choose another road (or other means of transport) where you're not inciting such rancor and do all of us (cyclists especially - and motorists) a favor.
As a daily commuter and oft kitted-up racer, I'm embarrassed by her behavior.
As a daily commuter and oft kitted-up racer, I'm embarrassed by her behavior.
09-23-14, 10:52 PM
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The arrogant "ME ME ME" attitude that is on display by the anti-shoulder radicals lead me to believe a lot of these people, like Schill, just simply enjoy antagonizing people more than anything else. With such petty nitpickery and moot scenarios, it's almost as if they enjoy being angry and look for anything to get tweaked over.
Its easy to tell one from the other, the former are happy people who are pleasant to be around, the latter are angry people who spread misery.
Since advocacy is about correcting inequities to improve the quality of life for everyone, its wise to not base it on a foundation of anger and misery, or support those who are only acting in their own self interest, without any consideration for those they claim to represent.
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09-23-14, 11:45 PM
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The right to utilize public assets is not carte blanche for an individual to controvert the reasonable expectations of all others.
09-24-14, 05:09 AM
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The arrogant "ME ME ME" attitude that is on display by the anti-shoulder radicals lead me to believe a lot of these people, like Schill, just simply enjoy antagonizing people more than anything else. With such petty nitpickery and moot scenarios, it's almost as if they enjoy being angry and look for anything to get tweaked over.
09-24-14, 05:46 AM
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That is almost certainly hard to say when you are all the way in Portland. I live in Lexington so I KNOW FOR A FACT that this has been a major story and the number of people who have heard of this case is rather large. I also know that there seems to have been a large backlash against cyclists in this area as a result.
09-24-14, 06:19 AM
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Seems to me if the local folks n Lexington want to ensure that cyclists use the shoulder and stay off their precious travel lanes, those folks would ensure that the shoulder is very inviting to cyclists.
It also seems to me that the stop lights on that road are doing as much if not more to impede motor vehicle traffic than the occasional, yet rare cyclist.
It also seems to me that the stop lights on that road are doing as much if not more to impede motor vehicle traffic than the occasional, yet rare cyclist.
09-24-14, 06:40 AM
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I don't understand this attitude at all. Because one has a right to something doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be willing to give it up. I do it in my car many times every day and it facilitates the better overall flow of traffic. Does it embarrass you that I had the right of way on my drive to work this morning and allowed someone to come into traffic ahead of me? As long as it doesn't adversely affect my safety, I am more than happy to abstain from exercising a right.
09-24-14, 06:47 AM
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Seems to me if the local folks n Lexington want to ensure that cyclists use the shoulder and stay off their precious travel lanes, those folks would ensure that the shoulder is very inviting to cyclists.
It also seems to me that the stop lights on that road are doing as much if not more to impede motor vehicle traffic than the occasional, yet rare cyclist.
It also seems to me that the stop lights on that road are doing as much if not more to impede motor vehicle traffic than the occasional, yet rare cyclist.
09-24-14, 07:16 AM
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Agree, especially on a number of lesser traveled roads in the area, that I've viewed, where there are no shoulders or just barely.
09-24-14, 07:33 AM
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I don't believe for one minute that a single rider's actions will cause cyclists to lose their rights to the road.
We have a substantial percentage of cyclists actually breaking laws, and while a few here will say that "gives all cyclists a bad name" the fact is our rights remain. Yet somehow one rider's (yet to be determined) LEGAL action is going to kick us off the road? Pure hyperbole.
It's almost as if some enjoy being angry and look for anything to get tweaked over.
We have a substantial percentage of cyclists actually breaking laws, and while a few here will say that "gives all cyclists a bad name" the fact is our rights remain. Yet somehow one rider's (yet to be determined) LEGAL action is going to kick us off the road? Pure hyperbole.
It's almost as if some enjoy being angry and look for anything to get tweaked over.
09-24-14, 08:04 AM
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I don't believe for one minute that a single rider's actions will cause cyclists to lose their rights to the road.
We have a substantial percentage of cyclists actually breaking laws, and while a few here will say that "gives all cyclists a bad name" the fact is our rights remain. Yet somehow one rider's (yet to be determined) LEGAL action is going to kick us off the road? Pure hyperbole.
It's almost as if some enjoy being angry and look for anything to get tweaked over.
We have a substantial percentage of cyclists actually breaking laws, and while a few here will say that "gives all cyclists a bad name" the fact is our rights remain. Yet somehow one rider's (yet to be determined) LEGAL action is going to kick us off the road? Pure hyperbole.
It's almost as if some enjoy being angry and look for anything to get tweaked over.
09-24-14, 08:19 AM
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I don't believe for one minute that a single rider's actions will cause cyclists to lose their rights to the road.
We have a substantial percentage of cyclists actually breaking laws, and while a few here will say that "gives all cyclists a bad name" the fact is our rights remain. Yet somehow one rider's (yet to be determined) LEGAL action is going to kick us off the road? Pure hyperbole.
It's almost as if some enjoy being angry and look for anything to get tweaked over.
We have a substantial percentage of cyclists actually breaking laws, and while a few here will say that "gives all cyclists a bad name" the fact is our rights remain. Yet somehow one rider's (yet to be determined) LEGAL action is going to kick us off the road? Pure hyperbole.
It's almost as if some enjoy being angry and look for anything to get tweaked over.
Some folks have lost sight of the fact that this is about the actions of one person, and has nothing to do with cyclists rights. Nobody in an official capacity is suggesting cyclists may not use the road in question or changing applicable laws.
09-24-14, 08:22 AM
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09-24-14, 09:28 AM
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These court cases threaten to eliminate the right of all cyclists in KY to take the lane. IMO, it's a no brainer for any cyclist who gives a tiny crap about "right to the road" to support Ms. Schill. Our rights are often threatened by outrage over people who push these rights to extremes (see freedom of speech). These extreme cases need to be defended just as fervently as the less extreme scenarios.
09-24-14, 09:47 AM
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That is almost certainly hard to say when you are all the way in Portland. I live in Lexington so I KNOW FOR A FACT that this has been a major story and the number of people who have heard of this case is rather large. I also know that there seems to have been a large backlash against cyclists in this area as a result.
It is easy for someone in Portland to make wacky and absurd online claims about living, cycling or anything else in other areas of the country; all based on the Heaven on Earth lifestyle allegedly found in Portland.
09-24-14, 09:47 AM
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That's an interesting thought. There are roadways around here where signals don't appear to be engineered at all. I go to work at 5am. There can be no autos at cross streets and I can get caught by nearly every traffic light on that roadway. It's the same during peak traffic hours. Put a bicyclist on that road during rush hour and people would go nuts. Yet like sheep, they will happily sit and stare at a red light in an empty intersection without ever uttering disapproval.
09-24-14, 09:50 AM
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These court cases threaten to eliminate the right of all cyclists in KY to take the lane. IMO, it's a no brainer for any cyclist who gives a tiny crap about "right to the road" to support Ms. Schill. Our rights are often threatened by outrage over people who push these rights to extremes (see freedom of speech). These extreme cases need to be defended just as fervently as the less extreme scenarios.
I could be behind Ms Schill on the charges of wanton endangerment. Any good lawyer will get that tossed. From what I have seen of her video and additional exploration of the area on Google, I think the judge had it right. Where there is not a specific hazard in that shoulder area, that's where the hell she needs to be. I won't get behind an obstinate idiot who refuses to employ a spirit of cooperation with other road users. There well may be a need for greater advocacy in that area, but Ms Schill isn't doing it productively.
09-24-14, 09:56 AM
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09-24-14, 11:07 AM
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09-24-14, 12:13 PM
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My problem with this situation is the method she is employing, it is totally counterproductive. Any hopes of infrastructure improvements on that road are completely gone thanks to her. If the county did put in a bike lane now, it would look like they caved in. That would send a message that anytime you want something done, just raise a big stink and call the news.
It would be much more productive to create a situation that people can get behind, not against. She has backed the county into a corner and the county overreacted-now we have this pissing contest that really benefits no one.
It would be much more productive to create a situation that people can get behind, not against. She has backed the county into a corner and the county overreacted-now we have this pissing contest that really benefits no one.
