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Old 09-29-14, 07:14 PM
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I rode it with Michelin Pro 4 service course tires. So are you sure about that? What kind of tires did you have trailmix?
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Originally Posted by Chris516
Indirectly, make that two. I don't live in Kentucky. But in some of her videos'. She points out the garbage that ends up in the 'breakdown lane', in addition to stalled vehicles'. This thread reminded me of a situation last year on a local bike path. The problem wasn't a 'motorized' vehicle, pedestrians', or other cyclists' blocking the path. It was a dead rotting deer that a vehicle had hit. It was two weeks before the deer was removed from the bike path. That was just on the bike path. The judge who ordered Ms. Schill to ride in the 'breakdown' lane. Has more than a screw loose. The rumble strips are one thing. While they are terrible to ride over. Ms. Schill pointed out in several of her videos', how the edges' of the outside lanes of U.S. 27 in Kentucky, are cracked, and have divets. The only tire that could navigate the divets and survive. Would be a studded mountain bike tire. A road bike tire of any type would pop and/or cause the bike to crash. I initially thought she was being quite the risk-taker. But, Upon further reflection, I agree with her. I 'take the lane', not 'as warranted'. But for safety.
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I rode it with Michelin Pro 4 service course tires. So are you sure about that? What kind of tires did you have trailmix?
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To my knowledge, from reading the description of both of your rides, neither one of you merged into the traffic lane from the shoulder at any point in your rides. Is that correct? If so, read Chris516's post about the location of the divets again. You would never have crossed them unless you were trying to merge on or off the roadway.
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Originally Posted by benjdm
To my knowledge, from reading the description of both of your rides, neither one of you merged into the traffic lane from the shoulder at any point in your rides. Is that correct? If so, read Chris516's post about the location of the divets again. You would never have crossed them unless you were trying to merge on or off the roadway.
I didn't notice anything unusual about the edge of the roadway but I will admit that I wasn't actively looking for it either. I certainly didn't see any wheel eating holes though. What does google maps say?
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Originally Posted by trailmix
I didn't notice anything unusual about the edge of the roadway but I will admit that I wasn't actively looking for it either. I certainly didn't see any wheel eating holes though. What does google maps say?
Perhaps Chris516 could link to the videos he saw the divets in?
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No, I never merged into the traffic lane. I did miss where he said they were and that was my mistake. Maybe that is another reason to stay in the maintenance lane and avoid these divots? Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up.(got to joke a little)
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Originally Posted by benjdm
Perhaps Chris516 could link to the videos he saw the divets in?
Or maybe I just need studded mt. bike tires.
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Originally Posted by c_bach_115
Maybe that is another reason to stay in the maintenance lane and avoid these divots? Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up.(got to joke a little)
Staying in the traffic lane would also avoid the divots. *grin*

Are you sure we're allowed to joke? I thought we had to call each other names, divide everyone into us/them groups, and misrepresent others' points of view.

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Originally Posted by benjdm
I thought we had to call each other names, divide everyone into us/them groups, and misrepresent others' points of view.
Looks like we are now harvesting the fruits of her labors.
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Originally Posted by c_bach_115

Nothing wrong with a "good stirring" here and there. Let me ask you this though, if it was a "good stirring" wouldn't you think all local cyclist and bike shops would be jumping in? They aren't, have you not wondered why?
As I see it, a number cyclists in the area, seem to be content with what they have now, don't wish to be seen as a "fringe"case, think more on the lines of "far right as possible", and don't wish to be an inconvenience to faster road users, even though faster road users can get by.
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Originally Posted by -=(8)=-
If this thread is not an A to Z compendium on why we get no respect, I don't know might be. What can we do, when a large number of our "community" is so extreme and adamantly against any rational thoughts or discussion in these matters? Its rebel flagged pick-up people without the pick-ups. It's funny to read, but upon reflection, truly depressing. This is the face of our 'advocacy'.
From my personal observations of cyclists actual behavior on the road in the real world, the wild eyed anti establishment zealots, and bumbling incompetent riders who are afraid of their own shadow are actually a very miniscule minority.

Its just that bad attitudes, like bad behavior stand out like a sore thumb.
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Originally Posted by dynodonn
As I see it, a number cyclists in the area, seem to be content with what they have now, don't wish to be seen as a "fringe"case, think more on the lines of "far right as possible", and don't wish to be an inconvenience to faster road users, even though faster road users can get by.
Or perhaps they simply possess the wisdom and reason to understand that if one wants positive change, one works with society rather than spit in its face and make demands.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
Or perhaps they simply possess the wisdom and reason to understand that if one wants positive change, one works with society rather than spit in its face and make demands.
If a large part of society wants to drive motorized vehicles, and a good portion of the remaining number are content with what is given them, I see very little in the way of change being made. As I said before, Ms Schill has focused attention towards the section of roadway that she has travels on, probably far more than a number of local cyclists in the area were able to do in their being polite.
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Originally Posted by dynodonn
If a large part of society wants to drive motorized vehicles, and a good portion of the remaining number are content with what is given them, I see very little in the way of change being made. As I said before, Ms Schill has focused attention towards the section of roadway that she has travels on, probably far more than a number of local cyclists in the area were able to do in their being polite.
And what has she accomplished in real terms for local cyclists there?

And what does some constructive cooperation get you?
Washington is most bike-friendly state for sixth year
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Originally Posted by kickstart
And what has she accomplished in real terms for local cyclists there?

And what does some constructive cooperation get you?
Washington is most bike-friendly state for sixth year
She has brought to the forefront that not all is well with the cycling infrastructure in her area, and I'm sure that Washington state had it's rough beginnings before it's now bicycle friendly status.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
Or perhaps they simply possess the wisdom and reason to understand that if one wants positive change, one works with society rather than spit in its face and make demands.
judging from the close passes and rolled coal in ms. schill's videos i suspect that a plurality in jessamine co would view banning cyclists from "highways" as positive change.
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And what has she accomplished in real terms for local cyclists there?
And what has she accomplished for herself?
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Washington is bike friendly ???? bull
They have the most hick towns with new mandatory helmet laws in the country I hear.
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Originally Posted by benjdm
Perhaps Chris516 could link to the videos he saw the divets in?
I am in the process of doing that.
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Originally Posted by dynodonn
She has brought to the forefront that not all is well with the cycling infrastructure in her area, and I'm sure that Washington state had it's rough beginnings before it's now bicycle friendly status.
Not well to her, a full time publicity monger maybe, other cyclists have no problem with with the area in question. So, it seems, we should be complaining about something there is no reason to complain about just to appease antagonists from other states who have never come here or never will? When you take on a cause, you run the risk of that cause not resonating with people. There is a reason why all of her support only comes from people who know nothing about the issue.
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Originally Posted by dynodonn
As I said before, Ms Schill has focused attention towards the section of roadway that she has travels on, probably far more than a number of local cyclists in the area were able to do in their being polite.
The attention she has brought goes something like this: "Why isn't she using that perfectly good several foot wide shoulder?" There is something to be said for picking your battles.

And let's assume for the sake of argument that she does start to bring about change. (Try not to laugh, it's a hypothetical.) I can't wait to see the look on people's faces when she tells them that a dedicated bike path is insulting and that it is preferential for her to operate at 12 mph in the middle of the lane where cars are doing 55 mph - and that anyone who thinks otherwise is evil.
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The attention she has brought goes something like this: "Why isn't she using that perfectly good several foot wide shoulder?" There is something to be said for picking your battles.

And let's assume for the sake of argument that she does start to bring about change. (Try not to laugh, it's a hypothetical.) I can't wait to see the look on people's faces when she tells them that a dedicated bike path is insulting and that it is preferential for her to operate at 12 mph in the middle of the lane where cars are doing 55 mph - and that anyone who thinks otherwise is evil.

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Originally Posted by Chris516
Indirectly, make that two. I don't live in Kentucky. But in some of her videos'. She points out the garbage that ends up in the 'breakdown lane', in addition to stalled vehicles'. This thread reminded me of a situation last year on a local bike path. The problem wasn't a 'motorized' vehicle, pedestrians', or other cyclists' blocking the path. It was a dead rotting deer that a vehicle had hit. It was two weeks before the deer was removed from the bike path. That was just on the bike path. The judge who ordered Ms. Schill to ride in the 'breakdown' lane. Has more than a screw loose. The rumble strips are one thing. While they are terrible to ride over. Ms. Schill pointed out in several of her videos', how the edges' of the outside lanes of U.S. 27 in Kentucky, are cracked, and have divets. The only tire that could navigate the divets and survive. Would be a studded mountain bike tire. A road bike tire of any type would pop and/or cause the bike to crash. I initially thought she was being quite the risk-taker. But, Upon further reflection, I agree with her. I 'take the lane', not 'as warranted'. But for safety.
If Ms Schill was in the travel lane due to a specific hazard, then I could get behind her. Taking the lane due to a generalized, non-specific hazard doesn't cut it. With her video, she could easily show the specific hazard that forced her into the travel lane at the time she was cited. Has she done that?
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Does anybody know what her go fund me account is for? From what I understand, her attorneys worked pro-bono and her fines and court costs were less than $500. Her fund has nearly $8500 dollars in it, that would buy several sets of Gatorskins to protect her from that shoulder debris.
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Does anybody know what her go fund me account is for? From what I understand, her attorneys worked pro-bono and her fines and court costs were less than $500. Her fund has nearly $8500 dollars in it, that would buy several sets of Gatorskins to protect her from that shoulder debris.
A nice car too, for until she upgrades her confidence and equipment on the bike.
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A nice car too, for until she upgrades her confidence and equipment on the bike.
Seriously, what does she plan to do with the money? Her goal is $10,000. Is that for the appeal? Magas didn't seem too interested in appealing but I am not sure.
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