Jaguar's Bike Sense — good or bad ?
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Jaguar's Bike Sense — good or bad ?
Jaguar Land Rover previews bicycle And motorcycle detection system | Fox News
What I wonder about many of these types of things is if they will only further allow us to not use our brains and to focus our attention elsewhere rather than on the road. False sense of security?
What I wonder about many of these types of things is if they will only further allow us to not use our brains and to focus our attention elsewhere rather than on the road. False sense of security?
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Drivers are already not using their brains where attention focus is concerned. I see this mainly as s good thing, especially since it is a car company acknowledging more vulnerable road users. Seems like it would be especially useful in dooring situations, and those times when a motorist might otherwise hit a cyclist from behind. Something of this nature will be necessary in a world of self-driving cars, and it's good to see that development has already started.
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It would only be beneficial for those drivers that actually respect a cyclist's right to be on the road.
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I don't think a majority of drivers try on purpose to run down cyclists and see this system as a net positive. Respect or not really doesn't matter -- it might make critical differences between a driver avoiding a crash with a cyclist and an injured/dead cyclist.
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Hmmm.....Let me try to explain it a different way.
In aviation, pilots have to go by two rules, VFR(Visual Flight Rules) and IFR(Instrument Flight Rules).
After decades of mid-air collisions, TCAS(Total Collision Avoidance System) was created
At this link:Traffic collision avoidance system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read about the Uberlingen mid-air collision. Where The TCAS warning was ignored. Resulting in the deaths of 71 people.
This is not illustrate intention on the part of a motorist to hit a cyclist. But to illustrate how, the technology could be ignored.
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Probably and advantage, but there is still the unpredictable human in the equation. How will they react when surprised by the alarm.
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Volvo did better than Jaguar (IMO) and did it 2 years ago:
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These systems might very well be better than humans most of the time and if/when they work. But as the FAA noted after some air crashes we can become overly dependent on technology.
Currently proponents of these systems remind us that they can be overridden by the human driver, who can also step in if they break down. But I have to wonder how a human will be able to drive after weeks, months or years without practice. My cousin is a retired commercial airline pilot, and one of the first in the USA qualified go the A330. He was amazed at the plane's automated flight systems, and freely admitted that the computer was twice the pilot he was (despite his 30 years experience), but Gene made it a habit to actually fly as much as possible to maintain his (usually unnecessary) skills.
Long before these systems are deployed we have to consider some legalities. For example, if the car is on auto and crashes, who's at fault -- the passive driver or the systems engineer back at the car company. Otherwise we create a legal muddle where a driver can honestly say "it wasn't my fault, I wasn't driving, Google was".
Currently proponents of these systems remind us that they can be overridden by the human driver, who can also step in if they break down. But I have to wonder how a human will be able to drive after weeks, months or years without practice. My cousin is a retired commercial airline pilot, and one of the first in the USA qualified go the A330. He was amazed at the plane's automated flight systems, and freely admitted that the computer was twice the pilot he was (despite his 30 years experience), but Gene made it a habit to actually fly as much as possible to maintain his (usually unnecessary) skills.
Long before these systems are deployed we have to consider some legalities. For example, if the car is on auto and crashes, who's at fault -- the passive driver or the systems engineer back at the car company. Otherwise we create a legal muddle where a driver can honestly say "it wasn't my fault, I wasn't driving, Google was".
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Couple things... (one, tongue in cheek)
First, is there a way to turn this off... as I can imagine some drivers doing just that.
Second, did you notice the look on the driver's face... somehow I get that he is not too pleased with the sudden bike swerve and resultant braking of the car, I get the feeling he is about to drive by and shout "get off the road..."
First, is there a way to turn this off... as I can imagine some drivers doing just that.
Second, did you notice the look on the driver's face... somehow I get that he is not too pleased with the sudden bike swerve and resultant braking of the car, I get the feeling he is about to drive by and shout "get off the road..."
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Couple things... (one, tongue in cheek)
First, is there a way to turn this off... as I can imagine some drivers doing just that.
Second, did you notice the look on the driver's face... somehow I get that he is not too pleased with the sudden bike swerve and resultant braking of the car, I get the feeling he is about to drive by and shout "get off the road..."
First, is there a way to turn this off... as I can imagine some drivers doing just that.
Second, did you notice the look on the driver's face... somehow I get that he is not too pleased with the sudden bike swerve and resultant braking of the car, I get the feeling he is about to drive by and shout "get off the road..."
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Of course it could be ignored or turned off. And it is completely possible that something like this as part of a self-driving car platform could lull "drivers" into a false sense of security, with no practical skills to deal with emergency situations.
But I trust that before we get there, systems like this will save cyclist lives. An alarm going off while a distracted motorist is veering toward an occupied cycling travel lane may give a driver more time to react and not hit a cyclist.
I truly don't see a downside to this kind of technology.
But I trust that before we get there, systems like this will save cyclist lives. An alarm going off while a distracted motorist is veering toward an occupied cycling travel lane may give a driver more time to react and not hit a cyclist.
I truly don't see a downside to this kind of technology.
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Commercial vehicles have had similar systems for quite a while now. Speaking from experience, they don't cause a false sense of security or allowed for less awareness, they just enhance it
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One of the clear things that I noticed between the Jag system and the Rover system is that the Jag system is considering cyclists approaching from behind... Something far too many human motorists fail to take into account, even though they may have just passed the cyclist moments before.
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Of course it could be ignored or turned off. And it is completely possible that something like this as part of a self-driving car platform could lull "drivers" into a false sense of security, with no practical skills to deal with emergency situations.
But I trust that before we get there, systems like this will save cyclist lives. An alarm going off while a distracted motorist is veering toward an occupied cycling travel lane may give a driver more time to react and not hit a cyclist.
I truly don't see a downside to this kind of technology.
But I trust that before we get there, systems like this will save cyclist lives. An alarm going off while a distracted motorist is veering toward an occupied cycling travel lane may give a driver more time to react and not hit a cyclist.
I truly don't see a downside to this kind of technology.
Time and time again in this forum and in conversations with motorists I hear "well I would never have a self driving car..." and "I love driving too much" (meanwhile picturing oneself as the ultimate driver, no doubt).
The reality is that this self driving technology is going to be introduced and tested slowly... and tuned, and refined and reintroduced again and again long before actual self driving cars will really be available. By the time the real thing is here, motorists will be so close to "turning over" the steering wheel anyway, that it will take no effort at all to get that "dedicated motorist" to use "the new cruise control."
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And that is exactly how we boil a frog.
Time and time again in this forum and in conversations with motorists I hear "well I would never have a self driving car..." and "I love driving too much" (meanwhile picturing oneself as the ultimate driver, no doubt).
The reality is that this self driving technology is going to be introduced and tested slowly... and tuned, and refined and reintroduced again and again long before actual self driving cars will really be available. By the time the real thing is here, motorists will be so close to "turning over" the steering wheel anyway, that it will take no effort at all to get that "dedicated motorist" to use "the new cruise control."
Time and time again in this forum and in conversations with motorists I hear "well I would never have a self driving car..." and "I love driving too much" (meanwhile picturing oneself as the ultimate driver, no doubt).
The reality is that this self driving technology is going to be introduced and tested slowly... and tuned, and refined and reintroduced again and again long before actual self driving cars will really be available. By the time the real thing is here, motorists will be so close to "turning over" the steering wheel anyway, that it will take no effort at all to get that "dedicated motorist" to use "the new cruise control."
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I'm all for them and will praise our new robot overlords when they arrive... about the time I can no longer pilot a motor vehicle myself.
But there are plenty of naysayers here on BF and elsewhere.... they have to be "boiled slowly."
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I give it because any warning that we're there is better than a zombie driving by spinal reflex. I think that this technology has a long way to go before we have to worry about drivers being complacent enough to let it take over, and losing their driving competence.
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Of course it could be ignored or turned off. And it is completely possible that something like this as part of a self-driving car platform could lull "drivers" into a false sense of security, with no practical skills to deal with emergency situations.
But I trust that before we get there, systems like this will save cyclist lives. An alarm going off while a distracted motorist is veering toward an occupied cycling travel lane may give a driver more time to react and not hit a cyclist.
I truly don't see a downside to this kind of technology.
But I trust that before we get there, systems like this will save cyclist lives. An alarm going off while a distracted motorist is veering toward an occupied cycling travel lane may give a driver more time to react and not hit a cyclist.
I truly don't see a downside to this kind of technology.
Where an automated collision avoidance system would not be beneficial. Is one that can be disabled. Some vehicles now have the technology, when backing up, to suddenly warn the driver on the instrument panel. That they are about to back into something.
Maybe a driver's license should require something like, learning something I would call VDR(Visual Driving Rules), and IDR(Instrument Driving Rules). Just like the VFR and IFR for a plane.
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All of these features are bandaids on a leaking boat, it's not really solving the problem. How is this technology going to help the several million vehicles already out on the road? It isn't.
Not to mention even if you exclude that factor this technology is only useful to the people who can afford the cars they put it in.
Not to mention even if you exclude that factor this technology is only useful to the people who can afford the cars they put it in.
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You could have said the same about seatbelts. Over time an increasing number of cars on the road will have this technology. In 10 years maybe 50% will have it and 30 years from now nearly 100% will.
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Seatbelts became wide spread because a law was created requiring people to use them, it's not as if the nation opened its arms and embraced safety.
They had to be forced to accept it, and it only worked because there was no downside for the motorist.
They had to be forced to accept it, and it only worked because there was no downside for the motorist.
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Isn't it possible that cars that look out for others, including other cars, cyclists and pedestrians, might also be safer on the road; thus, like seatbelts, become a mandated technology, just like seatbelts, and airbags, and crash zones... all mandated safety features.
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Being an optimist, I believe it will eventually work out best for most people, but the scofflaws, and non conformists will be singing the blues.
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Anyone can theorycraft dozens of reasons how an "assisted-driving" system might fail, but that's exactly why it will be continually tweaked by an expanding number of engineers, overseeing an expanding user base, till it is fine-tuned to the satisfaction of the majority of skeptics out there.
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I just don't see self-driving cars taking over. Maybe for the group who view their vehicle as simply a means of transportation but there are entire motoring sub-cultures that dosen't apply to, like racing and off-roading. Whatever self-driving system they implement would have to have an "off" switch to accomodate those special interest groups and if it can be disabled then any statistical improvement it could have on road safety can't be measured. Cyclists arn't worried about the 99% of drivers who pass them safely they're worried about the 1% who don't, and that 1% is always going to be around.