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Old 02-07-15, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kickstart
The thing is, smoking is a choice, being mobile isn't. I'm all in favor of providing options and setting aside appropriate locations to be car free, but to go overboard and do it in a wider scope, as a form of coercion will simply harm those with the fewest options.
i'm also in favor of "options". that is...the option for people to use other modes safely.

some day this war's gonna end...
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
i'm also in favor of "options". that is...the option for people to use other modes safely.

some day this war's gonna end...
As I've said before, we have very similar goals and desires, the how to get there is where we part company.
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Originally Posted by Fargo Wolf
I can kinda see the logic behind the requirement.
Of course there is logic.

I am old enough to remember when hunters started being required to wear "Hunter Orange" in most states with some square inch requirement during seasons when high powered f!re@rm$ were allowed. They p!$$ed and moaned too. Then people stopped getting accidentally shot in the woods by mistake. Now it is accepted and most hunters would not even get out of their trucks without the orange gear in place. (There are still many exceptions to the rule - bow, duck, and any hunting season where high powered f!re@rm$s are not allowed). Hell, mountain bikers and hikers are required to wear the same hunter orange during certain seasons. They happily comply. Life jackets in a boat - mandatory. No biggie. Farm tractors, garbage trucks, plows, mowers, and all sorts of equipment are required to have lights or orange triangles if they use public highways.

I see where the law makers are coming from. They too are tired of motorists killing cyclists and claiming "I didn't see them" EVERY time. If a cyclist wearing high-vis clothing with lights flashing all over the place gets steamrolled, the courts can say "You didn't see them because you WEREN'T LOOKING THROUGH THE WINDSHIELD" at the time - GUILTY! This would result in many more convictions IMO. And likely a few less needless tragedies.

I am not in favor of government telling me what cologne to wear or how to dress UNLESS I am enjoying the use of government property - like "public" roads, National Wildlife Refuges, etc.

I for one will happily line up with the sheep on this one. Actually, I already have bright lights front and rear, day and night. It HAS made a difference.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
Now it is accepted and most hunters would not even get out of their trucks without the orange gear in place. (There are still many exceptions to the rule - bow, duck, and any hunting season where high powered f!re@rm$s are not allowed). Hell, mountain bikers and hikers are required to wear the same hunter orange during certain seasons. They happily comply. Life jackets in a boat - mandatory.
My neighborhood and city are not open season.
My neighborhood and city are not an extreme sport.
My neighborhood and city are not an alaskan fishing boat.

I am not in favor of government telling me what cologne to wear or how to dress UNLESS I am enjoying the use of government property - like "public" roads, National Wildlife Refuges, etc.
I am absolutely in favor of the government doing everything possible to prevent motorists from injuring, maiming, or killing innocent human beings.

I already have bright lights front and rear, day and night. It HAS made a difference.
I'm so glad you are willing to dress so "modestly", Joey. Motorists just can't control themselves around immodest cyclists...erm...I mean they can't see you because you came out of no where.
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
My neighborhood and city are not an extreme sport.
My neighborhood and city are not an alaskan fishing boat.
Couple things to think about,

A cyclist is easily obscured from the view of even an attentive motorists in an urban environment, why not help those trying to do the right thing?

Life jackets are even required for canoes and kayaks on local waters.
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
My neighborhood and city are not open season. My neighborhood and city are not an extreme sport.
My neighborhood streets are all 20 mph with stop signs on every corner and on-street parallel parking along the curbs. Seems safe enough but most of my close calls were on just such streets. Most motorists do not wish to complicate their lives by running over cyclists. Many car-bike accidents have been caused by good people trying to do their best. They are TELLING US what the problem is! THEY CAN'T SEE US. Why not help them out?

I have 500+ lumens up front, flashing by day, steady after dark. 300 lumens in the rear flashing day and night. I am fairly sure I can be seen from space orbit day or night. This has reduced cars pulling out on me, from cross streets and driveways by almost 100%. Before the lights I could count on one or two boneheaded moves by motorists every day. Now I can go months and months without incident. If I forget my light at home...back to mayhem instantly. Been feeding big light to motorists for well over two years now. It works.

The only question in my mind is "How does the gov. get cyclists to comply?" Just like seat belt laws, it would have to be advertized AND enforced heavily. Who has the funds these days? Barely enough cops around to handle "normal" crime.

Any vehicle operating on state owned roads must have basic lighting, mirrors, and working horn. You wanna be considered an equal out there while cycling on state roads and highways? You want three feet? You want the option to control the lane? Then you should want to help motorists to see you a long way off so they have a fighting chance to comply.
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When snow falls you will need an awfully big jacket to get to work at the oil field.

PS LIFE JACKETS? Do you plan to fall off a bridge?
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
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I have 500+ lumens up front, flashing by day, steady after dark. 300 lumens in the rear flashing day and night. I am fairly sure I can be seen from space orbit day or night.
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America runs on Dunkin.

Maybe if this snow bank had blinky lights, and was dyed hi-viz, the driver would have seen that stationary object from, oh, I don't know, a few yards away?


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Originally Posted by mr_bill
America runs on Dunkin.

Maybe if this snow bank had blinky lights, and was dyed hi-viz, the driver would have seen that stationary object from, oh, I don't know, a few yards away?


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If he/she had a better car the headlights would turn with the steering wheel illuminating the snow bank sooner. I'll keep illuminating myself like a solar flare because I believe that had that snow bank been wearing a 300 lumen flasher the car might have seen it.

You can't be TOO seen IMO.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
You can't be TOO seen IMO.
That's true, I run 2 large tail lights, one steady and one flashing, two headlights, a 80 lux B&M, plus a small 20 lumen flasher aimed up during the day and down at night. Unfortunately a few people fail to understand there is such a thing as too much light when used thoughtlessly, or maliciously.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
My neighborhood streets are all 20 mph with stop signs on every corner and on-street parallel parking along the curbs. Seems safe enough but most of my close calls were on just such streets.
How is it then that Dutch drivers on similar streets manage to not hit people riding bicycles? Even when these people are wearing nothing but dark unreflective colors?
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See above. Same reason that some American drivers run into snowbanks.

(Plus, sadly, most drivers think that +5 mph, and many think that +10 mph is not speeding, turning 20 mph streets into 25 mph - 30 mph (40 km/h - 50 km/h). And 30 km/h is 18 mph. So your slow streets are far slower than our slow streets.)

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Originally Posted by mr_bill
(Plus, sadly, most drivers think that +5 mph, and many think that +10 mph is not speeding, turning 20 mph streets into 25 mph - 30 mph (40 km/h - 50 km/h). And 30 km/h is 18 mph. So your slow streets are far slower than our slow streets.)
I have relatives who have loudly proclaimed in the presence of others that anyone driving at or under the speed limit should be thrown in jail for driving dangerously. Seriously.
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
My neighborhood and city are not open season.
My neighborhood and city are not an extreme sport.
My neighborhood and city are not an alaskan fishing boat.

You brought up smoking, yet others are not allowed to bring up parallel situations in other activities? Seems the comparison are actually more relevant.
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Meanwhile, next door in Montana, there is a bill to outlaw yoga pants. My impression of the west is of a libertarian culture. I guess I'm wrong.

Montana GOP Legislator Wants to Ban Yoga Pants | Mother Jones
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Isn't it just outlawing men wearing Yoga pants?
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It's already been tabled in committee. So the bill died quickly. What is stunning it was motivated by BICYCLES. Really?


In the US, "to table" is to put off consideration indefinitely, usually forever.

In the rest of the English speaking world, "to table" is to put on the table FOR consideration.

(Thankfully, while they asked about Yoga Pants and Speedos, they didn't ask about MAMILs. Bikeyface: "I dare you not to stare." Or the infamous Columbian Cycling team kit.)

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Originally Posted by noglider
Meanwhile, next door in Montana, there is a bill to outlaw yoga pants. My impression of the west is of a libertarian culture. I guess I'm wrong.
As I said elsewhere, we don't need a ban on yoga pants and other form fitting clothing, just common sense limits on the capacity thereof.
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Originally Posted by noglider
Meanwhile, next door in Montana, there is a bill to outlaw yoga pants. My impression of the west is of a libertarian culture. I guess I'm wrong.

Montana GOP Legislator Wants to Ban Yoga Pants | Mother Jones
Part of being a libertarian culture is letting these idiots have their moment in the sun. It's not as is anybody is going to take this guy seriously.
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Originally Posted by noglider
Meanwhile, next door in Montana, there is a bill to outlaw yoga pants. My impression of the west is of a libertarian culture. I guess I'm wrong.

Montana GOP Legislator Wants to Ban Yoga Pants | Mother Jones
Certain areas of the west are quite conservative in their leanings... you tend to hear a certain type of "country music" on the local radio stations to help you identify these areas.

Of course conservatives tend to say there is "too much government," yet oddly they are also the first to enact new laws when it suits them.
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Yoga pants are OK as long as you have your Concealed Carry permit.
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Originally Posted by noglider
Meanwhile, next door in Montana, there is a bill to outlaw yoga pants. My impression of the west is of a libertarian culture. I guess I'm wrong.

Montana GOP Legislator Wants to Ban Yoga Pants | Mother Jones
Yes, sadly you are wrong.

What is surprising is that this stupid proposal came from a man from Missoula, which tends to be pretty liberal. Now if it were someone from Great Falls who proposed it, we wouldn't be surprised.

But there's hope for us: Amid giggles, House kills Missoula legislator's ban on 'provocative' clothes
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Originally Posted by KD5NRH
As I said elsewhere, we don't need a ban on yoga pants and other form fitting clothing, just common sense limits on the capacity thereof.
NOOOOooooooo!

I would so miss this stuff...

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Yoga pants are OK as long as you have your Concealed Carry permit.
Is that a g u n in your pocket or are you ju- oh wait, it's clearly not. Ew.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
A cyclist is easily obscured from the view...
As are kids playing in the street, babies in carriages, fido, and fluffy. Maybe instead of blaming people and creatures who are simply trying to live and play in their neighborhoods we should put (most of) the onus on those who drive multi-ton vehicles.

PS: 20 is plenty!
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