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    Rebuilding a cruiser

    hello and well i have a question for you all out there. i have a bike frame and rims that used to belong to my grandfather in the 80's honestly im not sure about the bike manufacture or the age i just remeber crusing with my grandfather on it.

    well im wanting to rebuild it but im not to sure about it. The frame is rusted over and it requires alot of work on it, ill have to post images of it tommorow, what are the first steps i should take. i have read about sandblasting it sanding it down with steel wool im really not to sure about where to begin.

    i have never attempted something like this before but i saw the frame and i thought it would be a good bike to ride around on. so if you could help me out i would greatly appreciate it....

    tommorow i can post pictures and show you all the shape it is in if that helps....

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    Search the forums for "Rust removal" and painting tips. There are already plenty of threads on the subject. Your first choice would be a chemical rust remover/inhibitor. The less metal removed, the better.

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    i know this thread is old but here is pics of the bike is it worth working on? does it look to beat up please let me know....
    i am going to ask a local bike shop to take a look at it too....
    i was looking for a name or something i couldnt find anything....




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    Big 5 will sell you a complete single speed new for $99. Hardly worth bothering with that one, unless you're cashed up and have free time to spare.

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    yea i figured as much, im not to sure really what i want to do with it....
    i want to fix it up for sentimental reasons, and i do have free but i cant say im loaded but i wanted to try it just to see if i could do it...but im sure it is going to be a pain in the ass at the same time....

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    If you want to do it for sentimental reasons, go for it. But the rust may affect the integrity of the frame, and the headset is sitting at an ugly angle.

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    very old and nice cruiser bike, go on and restorant it, you can paint and mount parts whot yuo like

    sentimental reason is a good way

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    Nice frame, I like it! It wouldn't be too hard to get running for inexpensive w/ some second hand parts if you have the skills and the time. Make sure the frame is structurally sound before starting, though. It wouldn't be too hard to paint so it looked good, either. A perfect restoration is probably another story.

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    i have done auto body work for 15 yrs. I can walk you through the prep and paint process. The frame looks plenty good enough for sand blasting but needs to be done carefully. The chainguard should be done with glass beads in a blast cabinet. I say go for it,I resored an old schwinn found at a dump that resembled my first bike .I have gotten many compliments,and was surprised anybody noticed. Your project looks a lot like a hawthorn that i saw at a thrift sale. I remember the unique dropouts that it had. I would suggest a reputable bodyshop blast your frame and chainguard . if you ask them if they can work it in at their convienece, chances are they dont beat you up to bad on price. Also have them epoxy prime it and you will be ready for paint. good luck!!!

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    thankx for the help everyone i have asked some friends of mine and they really think i should go for it and clean this bike up. Now all i got to do is get it all apart, it seems the the bike shop in my area can get it powder coated for me that for me. they charge 95 dollars for plain colors and 120 for metallics...im super excited to get this thing cleaned up for me...

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    From the cranks, the gentle curve of the downtube and pointy dropouts i'm gonna say it looks like a Murray. Probably late 60s or early 70s. I had one, not quite as rough, fixed up and it rode nice enough. Some of the chrome looks good, crankset especially. How are the wheels? As far as the rust goes, most modern steels are going to take a long time to rust thru. As long as that bike hasn't lived outside for the last 30 yrs I would expect it to be fine for cruising around on. Just don't take up dirt jumping with it.

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    Hey man, just dive in. I love responses like, "just get one at Big 5". Some folks enjoy taking something old and making it work like new again. If it were mine, I'd blow it all apart right down to the bearing cups in the headset and the crank, strip the paint off, clean up or replace the existing bearings and basically, rebuild and regrease everything and re-assemble the thing. It's a cool looking cantilevered style frame what with the double top tubes and all. Now would be a good time to see what is offered in the way of aftermarket parts like some of the cool tires and handlebars a stem etc. Companies like Nirve and Felt offer lots of seperate components that can somewhat HOT ROD your bike with. Perfect restoration? Nah! Just take your time and have fun with it. You can rebuild the wheels it came with, just pay particular attention to how the rear hub comes apart and, hopefully, goes back together. If that is too intense for you, new wheels are available at your local bike store for fairly cheap (if we are talking standard chrome steel units). Get a new chain though. Sounds like you are pretty young and may not have many tools for bodywork and paint. If so, rattle cans will work and in fact give a decent finish, just make sure to prep the metal the best you can and, again, take the frame down to JUST the frame, no brackets, bearing cups etc. before you paint it. Scotchbrite or steel wool the chrome and bare metal parts to clean them up too. In the end you may actually have as much or even a bit more cash in this project, you will DEFINITELY have more time invested, but you will have a bike that you KNOW is built well, has sentimental value, has some vintage FUNK to it and most of all PRIDE in your accomplishment.

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    thanx again man....
    i have tools .actually my dad passed away last year and well he has been a mechanic all his life so he has some tools i think i can use...hahaha....

    yea i started taking the thing apart this morning....from my little experience it looks really actually ok, the frame has not rusted through and i actually got the pedals to spin freely...
    just working on it for about a hour has really made me love this bike....
    as for painting and sandblasting i might get it sandblasted by my wife's uncle he works for a company out here in arizona where they test cars for a majpr car company and well she reminded me she actually had something sandblasted for her awhile ago so im going to ask him if he could do the frame but i also called the bike shop this morning and they said the place they get it powercoated could do it also....

    this morning i was looking at the tires and they look fine a little rusted but one of the tires has a spoke broken on it....i wanted to replace the bearings and as well as other stuff on it...i want to salvage what i can on it too...

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    ive also been looking around at this site and i found a cool little site that i was referring too...
    http://www.bunchobikes.com/

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    here is some pics of the rims...





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    Looks like a nice Bendix coaster brake hub. You should definitely keep it and/or make it work again.

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    ok im stuck....i cant figure out how to take the pedal section apart...
    i got to the point where i took off the bolt holding the bearings in...
    this part



    i cant figure out how to reome the whole part...can you all help?
    here is a pic of the other side...



    i also tried removing the pedel
    this part but nothing...

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    ya go for it man...it will make you smile in the end and that's what is all about.

    I just finished restoring a Chicago Schwinn and it turned out very good IMO. I took it down to the metal and painted her candy red. I bought my paint from Pete at http://www.hyper-formance.com who restores mostly sting-rays. It was a long process of repainting so just paying a c-note for powdercoating is a very good route.

    Anyway, here are some pics of my restore and good luck with ur project!
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    Wow, aztoaster, nice TYPHOON. Looks great. In a round about way, I used to help Pete restore art for those decals he sells. He's a good guy from what I remember.

    Lefty loosey, righty tighty does not apply here Jamesj, they are reverse threaded on the left side, put a wrench on that sucker and give it a good turn to the right and it should, with a little effort, come loose, same with the bearing retainer. You can leave the opposite side retainer fixed to the sprocket but should you want to replace it, you'll switch back to your conventional lefty-loosey train of thought. Same thing with the pedals, one side is left hand thread, the other is right hand thread. YO

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    ok so i got the right one off now all i need is the left one....
    i did get the bearing retainer off actually that part was easy, i only put it back together because i thought it would be easier to work with....at least im learning alot, its funny you think bikes are simple as can be and when you actually start getting into the mechanics its not diffucult just more goes into it once you start working on them...
    btw aztoaster those are some awesome bikes........

    and i was able to locate some letters so maybe we can find out what it is...


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    Well, Cyclodan said it looked like a Murray. And that lettering looks like it might say Meteor.

    I'm going to go for broke and guess it's a Murray Meteor. Try a few searches, maybe you can find some pics to work from. Best of luck!

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    That's what's called a one piece crank, you unscrew the nut and the lockring on the left side, remove the bearings, and the whole assembly can then be extracted from the right side. Common on Schwinns, cruisers, kids bikes and BMX. The left pedal and the left side crank nut are going to be reverse threaded, so they don't loosen up while you're riding.

    I read 'Meteor' on the Chainguard.

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    BTW james if you post this in the vintage & classics forum you might get a positive Id on that bike. I still think it looks like something made by Murray (they also made J.C. Higgins, Mercury, Western Flyer etc.) Look on the bottom of the frame for a serial #.

    (edit) Breaking news: Digging around in the archives here I found that there was indeed a Murray Meteor Flyer.
    Last edited by cyclodan; 01-06-06 at 09:37 PM. Reason: new info

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    James J

    You can try to remove some rust and dirt with WD40 to identify details. I also collect sewing machines and often I clean "rusted" surfaces to identify decals and words. I apply WD 40, let it stay for a couple of minutes and then, clean with a soft cloth. I repeat this process for several times. Finally the picture gets cleaner and I can identify parts and models. Try to do it over rusted parts of the frame that have words or important details. Probably it will work. After you have visible details, take pictures, right down the position of words and decals and proceed with your restoring

    Take a look at this site http://www.bunchobikes.com/repair2.htm

    and since we spoke about sewing machines it is worth a look

    http://www.sewmuse.co.uk/
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    so yesterday i figured out how to take the whole assembly apart that it made sense once i was really thinking about it....the first one i took ff was easy then i tried the other side and ohhh god that was hard as hell, but i got it...
    thanx again guys you have been awesome at helping i appreciate all your help....

    all thats left is the headset and seat!!!!

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