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Old 10-25-07, 06:33 PM   #1
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Building me a trike. Pics etc

Hey fellas just thought I'd show you my latest project. I posted this in the recumbent section but they don't seem interested judging by the poor showing . Oh well, I'm just gonna condense all my "updates" into one post and then expect small updates from now on

It's a mild steel spaceframe construction with aluminium seat, indirect USS and generally uncompromised in terms of its practicality.

Here's a list of my parts for this build.

Chainline
-110bcd Tiagra crank and external BB
-65t Egg chainring
-Wipperman 908 chain x 3
-Midcage Deore LX derailiur (may change to long cage due to idle pully issues)

Rear wheel
-32 hole Velocity Aeroheat rim (406)
-Deore MTB hub
-9 speed 105 cluster
-Used Tioga Comp-Pool tyre

Front Wheels
-32 hole Velocity Sim rim x2 (349's)
-Sturmy Archer drum brakes x 2
-Primo Comet tyres

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-Custom Mild steel steering handles
-9 speed indexed thumb shifter
-2nd hand aluminium brake levers
-Aluminium solid tie rods

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Here's a snapshot of the build so far;


The crossmember before being tacked to the kingpin mounts. Put together in a jig with all angles etc. doesn't look much now....


....but eventually the rest of the crossmember and boom is tacked together and all is well . The chainline passes through the middle of the crossmember.


The dropouts, chain stays (if you'd call them that) and rails are tacked together. Starting to look like it's worth it at this stage.


Roller/idle pully cage is tacked and so the chainline can be mounted. Dummy chain etc all carefully fitted out. I then took some measurements to guage the height of my seat, with a bit extra added to insure chainslap doesn't annoy me everytime I ride. I'm quite happy with the path the chain follows- very tidy and flat for what it is


Seat is on! Took a little work. I should've built a jig to get it within a bee's dick of perfect, yet was too lazy at the time. I regreted it later when I found my bum rest was 5mm lower on one side to the other. Had to cut and shut which too many hours. Even then I'm still not happy, yet I want to move on. I will cut this seat off in the distant future and redo it. At the moment though as far as I know it's just an aesthetic thing. Doesn't matter.

Also of note is that the frame is fully zipped up in this pic. Thanx to Jason for lending me his time and his MIG.


Steering handle mounts are....mounted, to the frame. Frame was painted using an epoxy based pressure pack. Seat is aluminium sheet. I bashed it around the seat frame with a sculpting hammer, resulting in a scalloped seat. Very stiff and, from "test sits", it's going to be a very comfy seat!


I have the chainline on!



Doesn't seem to work well as I need to fiddle with the derailiur to produce the right tension off the return idle-pully. The chain just doesn't wanna sit in it . I will get on to it tonight. Steering handles are mountable now, but still need work to make fully functional. That's it for now.
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looks like a winner.
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It's fascinating to see it come together like that...

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I wish I had the talent to match to match my vision. Great job. All I can do is paint stuff and add things with zip ties and barbed wire. I need to learn to weld.

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I wish I had the talent to match to match my vision. Great job. All I can do is paint stuff and add things with zip ties and barbed wire. I need to learn to weld.

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I'm with you. I'm still using zip ties but I have moved away from barbed wire. I have progressively moved through bailing wire, coat hangers and stainless safety wire with one of those fancy wire twisters so that I can wire things together faster. Lets not forget duct tape although it is temporary here because of the heat.
When I see things like this trike it almost inspires me to go back to school and learn to weld. I ambitiously sent my wife to welding school but she dropped out so I can't use her. I haven't been able to impress her with my pressing need for a in house welder.
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I am in Kingston, Ont, and went to School for welding at a night couse. It was very easy to learn, and once you get the hang of it, its a great feeling to have a nice looking weld... Even for starters, you can buy a cheap flux core welder at ??? (I go to Canadian Tire or Princess auto here) and some even come with a video.

The only thing the Vid dosent do is tell you how you are screwing up (if you do).

Then just simply upgrade your welder. and have fun.. I think every household should have at least one. Or maybe not. I might not have as many "friends" if I didnt have one.. haha
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looks good....cant wait to see it finished
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I'm with you. I'm still using zip ties but I have moved away from barbed wire. I have progressively moved through bailing wire, coat hangers and stainless safety wire with one of those fancy wire twisters so that I can wire things together faster. Lets not forget duct tape although it is temporary here because of the heat.
When I see things like this trike it almost inspires me to go back to school and learn to weld. I ambitiously sent my wife to welding school but she dropped out so I can't use her. I haven't been able to impress her with my pressing need for a in house welder.


Zip ties are a great invention! It's how I make my mudguards stay on my bikes--forget lugnuts!

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Zip ties are a great invention! It's how I make my mudguards stay on my bikes--forget lugnuts!

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Oh yeah, I have them in all sizes. I use to hold brake and shifter cables, to hold mud guards, to attach fenders (especially ones that aren't made for the bike and don't fit quite right), attach saddle bags, hold the flatbed on my trailer, attach a tool kit, hold various parts on my 20 year old car, bundle wiring, keep my pants (in winter) out of the chain, emergency dog collar, hinges, emergency heel strap for your flip flops (for those high class establishments that require it for entrance) and more. Because of their durability some of the temporary fixes have become permanent. I have a special little screwdriver that I use to release them so that they can be reused. They have them with thumb releases now. I don't have any yet but be assured I will have. They became seriously legitimate to me when I found the best mechanic I have ever known using them on airplanes.
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... Even for starters, you can buy a cheap flux core welder at ??? (I go to Canadian Tire or Princess auto here) and some even come with a video.

The only thing the Vid dosent do is tell you how you are screwing up (if you do).

Then just simply upgrade your welder. and have fun.. I think every household should have at least one. Or maybe not. I might not have as many "friends" if I didnt have one.. haha
I've thought of that but it has to be cheap. I've also been discouraged by advice givers. You know, the "you can't do it that way " ones.
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Brilliant work there Wheelchairman. Seeing your jig has been really informative too.
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well done mate an ambitous project. I have thought about building an upright racing trike but I have fortunatly found a company that makes a conversion kit for converting your racing lightweight .
I couldn't get down that far with my back problem
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I have a special little screwdriver that I use to release them so that they can be reused. They have them with thumb releases now. I don't have any yet but be assured I will have. They became seriously legitimate to me when I found the best mechanic I have ever known using them on airplanes.

I never thought about reusing them ! And they come with thumb releases as well? Dang! I think I will be visiting my local hardware shop soon to check that out.

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Wheelchairman, I think we will all be greatly interested in the end result!

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I wish I had the talent to match to match my vision. Great job. All I can do is paint stuff and add things with zip ties and barbed wire. I need to learn to weld.
I've known how to ARC weld since I was 16, yet I invested in a nightschool course last year and have futhered my skills significantly! I'd highly recommend doing a course. Skills for life!

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Zip ties are a great invention! It's how I make my mudguards stay on my bikes--forget lugnuts!
Zip ties are great. Up there with frabic/duct/race tape for handy. I once race-taped my rear brake calipers to the frame and rode (with my friends) a 24hr race with them with no failures! I'm sure many other people have similar stories. Best invention ever

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Brilliant work there Wheelchairman. Seeing your jig has been really informative too.
Thanks Sianelle. Glad you got something out of it

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well done mate an ambitous project. I have thought about building an upright racing trike but I have fortunatly found a company that makes a conversion kit for converting your racing lightweight .
I couldn't get down that far with my back problem
Thanx earleybird. Could you post a link for that conversion kit? Just curious to see what they look like! So you mean convert a wedgie to a bent trike?
And yes it is quite low . You'll all see why in due time

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Wheelchairman, I think we will all be greatly interested in the end result!
I think that calls for a small update!

Progress has been slow the last week. I took my front rims and hubs to the bikeshop to get them laced and trued, only to find my hubs were 32 hole, and my rims were 36! . I sent the rims back to Greenspeed on Thursday and hopefully I'll get the 32holes I wanted by Monday or Tuesday.

Meanwhile with nothing better to do I decided to work on my kingpins. Thanks to "Crowey" for the use of his amazing kingpin jig. It contained all the right angles and all I had to do was set the material up and zipp it all together.
Here's a pic of the steering setup. It's indirect (as in, the steering handles are not directly connected to the kingpin) and thus looks pretty complicated. I drew the orange and green lines in to the picture so you can visualise how the steering ties together.

The orange is the "tie rod" which attaches to the "ackerman arm". This arm ties the two sides together, meaning any input from even one steering handle will turn both wheels.
The green is the "steering rod". It connects the steering handles to the steering arm on the kingpin, via a linkage. It's a push pull design. That is, to change direction you pull one handle back and the other one forward. The linkages, when they're complete, will be male rod-ends going into aluminium solid.

I also realised that I didn't have a cable guide for my rear derailiur, so I welded that on and repainted the area. I cut it out of an old bike, ground it back, taped it on and melted the tape off whilst welding the area. Crisis over :cool:


Anyways, that's it for now. Thanx for all the replies and encouragement! Good to know people find this interesting

Michael.

PS. Can someone confirm that some of the pics from my initial post arn't working? Sometimes my modem plays up, so it may just be me
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Um..... just checked your original posting, - it all looks Ok, but only two of the pictures are showing up. Perhaps the missing pictures need to be reloaded to the hosting site again.
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Um..... just checked your original posting, - it all looks Ok, but only two of the pictures are showing up. Perhaps the missing pictures need to be reloaded to the hosting site again.
Same here. I seem to remember more but my memory is none to reliable.
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I like it, also, where did you get the 65 tooth chainring?
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I like it, also, where did you get the 65 tooth chainring?
Yes that's the sort of chainring you definitely call 'Sir'.
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Um..... just checked your original posting, - it all looks Ok, but only two of the pictures are showing up. Perhaps the missing pictures need to be reloaded to the hosting site again.
Hmmm....weird. The pics loaded earlier today, yet now they're gone again! I'm guessing Imageshack is to blame.

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I like it, also, where did you get the 65 tooth chainring?
I bought it a couple of years ago at a Greenspeed parts stand at a race. It's an "EGGring". Beautiful chainring; When I showed my friend, who makes parts for Australian defence force machinery, he freaked out and demanded he be able to take the ring to work to show his collegues the workmanship .
Here's the site; http://www.highpath.net/cycles/eggs/01.html
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This is awesome work - makes me realise how badly I need to go on a welding course. Can you imagine how frustrating it is to own a Mig, but be atrocious at welding?
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Hmmm....weird. The pics loaded earlier today, yet now they're gone again! I'm guessing Imageshack is to blame.

I bought it a couple of years ago at a Greenspeed parts stand at a race. It's an "EGGring". Beautiful chainring; When I showed my friend, who makes parts for Australian defence force machinery, he freaked out and demanded he be able to take the ring to work to show his collegues the workmanship .
Here's the site; http://www.highpath.net/cycles/eggs/01.html
Oh, they will make custom chainrings...I could have one for my mixtes with 'Ms Mixte' .

Now I have to figure out how to fit in a visit to their shop next time I visit the rellies in Wales...the shop is about 40 miles from Clynderwen.

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Yes. Yes I can.
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I bought it a couple of years ago at a Greenspeed parts stand at a race. It's an "EGGring". Beautiful chainring; When I showed my friend, who makes parts for Australian defence force machinery, he freaked out and demanded he be able to take the ring to work to show his collegues the workmanship .
Here's the site; http://www.highpath.net/cycles/eggs/01.html
WOW. there is a 336 dollar price difference between 58-67 and 68-110.

i need a 110 tooth chain ring. for what i do not knw but i really want one
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i need a 110 tooth chain ring. for what i do not knw but i really want one
For only $540 odd, you can get a 110 tooth chain ring that has 'yellowjeep' custom cutouts.

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Hmmm....weird. The pics loaded earlier today, yet now they're gone again! I'm guessing Imageshack is to blame.

I bought it a couple of years ago at a Greenspeed parts stand at a race. It's an "EGGring". Beautiful chainring; When I showed my friend, who makes parts for Australian defence force machinery, he freaked out and demanded he be able to take the ring to work to show his collegues the workmanship .
Here's the site; http://www.highpath.net/cycles/eggs/01.html
$164!!!!
I'd just use a schwinn exerciser chainring it I had to buy it new at that price.
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