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    Spray Painting a Frame

    Hey all,

    Hope this is the right place to post this... I'd really like to paint my Kona Dew Deluxe matte black. Not really a fan of the copper colour. Is this even remotely a good idea? What paint could I use that won't chip or flake off? And how should I protect the components? I don't really have enough expertise or trust myself to take everything off in order to paint it, so I was going to wrap everything I didn't want painted in newspaper and tape it.

    Am I a total idiot who should not be allowed anywhere near a can of paint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcyon View Post
    Hey all,

    Hope this is the right place to post this... I'd really like to paint my Kona Dew Deluxe matte black. Not really a fan of the copper colour. Is this even remotely a good idea? What paint could I use that won't chip or flake off? And how should I protect the components? I don't really have enough expertise or trust myself to take everything off in order to paint it, so I was going to wrap everything I didn't want painted in newspaper and tape it.

    Am I a total idiot who should not be allowed anywhere near a can of paint?

    Thanks guys.
    Yes.

    The frame has to be stripped of all components if you want a good paint job.

    "Durable" and "spray can" don't go together. You can get a nice finish with a rattle-bomb, but it won't be very durable. Bike manufacturers use catalyzed auto paints for their frames. Novices should not mess around with catalyzed paints.
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    Could I spray over it with some kind of a lacquer or finish after painting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcyon View Post
    Could I spray over it with some kind of a lacquer or finish after painting?
    Sure, but anything that comes out of a spray can will not be anywhere near as durable as the factory finish.
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    If you have a spray *** and an air compressor, use a basecoat followed by a 2 part urethane clearcoat. Go to a local car paint supply or try www.automotivetouchup.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurnau View Post
    If you have a spray *** and an air compressor, use a basecoat followed by a 2 part urethane clearcoat. Go to a local car paint supply or try www.automotivetouchup.com
    Without the hardener, it'll be no more durable than a spray can job. Hardener is deadly toxic and should not be handled by a novice.
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    this paint job is 6 years old and its all rattle can, its all in the prep work i would sand it down with 600grit just enough to scuff the finish. take the wheels off and tape off the rest use blue masking tape. stick to car laquers flat black in itself is not durable so add flat clear itll gloss a little bit but it looks good

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    Check out some of the car painting books in your local bookstore or library. Most of the techniques are pretty much the same. Some people have even gotten their bikes painted by car painting companies.
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    If you do strip it down, you may be able to locate a place near you that will give it a flat black powder coat. I've seen the results of just such a venture and it was pretty nice.
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    The last time that I painted a frame I removed all of the components I could, taped off the ones that I couldn't, and used a paint remover, wire brush, and sandpaper to take the frame down to bare metal - I would never do that again. Paint remover sucks, actually, it burns, even the organic environmentally friendly stuff I bought, and, it turns out that the original paint would have made a much more durable base coat than the primer I used. I painted the first time with flat gray, covered with matte clearcoat. total of about 8 layers, and let it dry in the sun, and my basement for about 3 days before I touched it..... That paint chipped off like crazy. This brought about a couple of benefits:

    * A willingness to paint it again a different color/shade (the next time I didn't strip it first, and painted with a ceramic engine paint)
    * A lack of caring as to the appearance of the bike, and a lot more general enjoyment of just riding it and not worrying if I dinged it up.

    All that being said, there's a couple good, long write-ups here that you can search for that will explain how to get the very best out of a rattlecan job, and why that's just about the worst choice you can make if you want a good, durable paint job.
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    there is a stick in Classic and Vintage on frame painters...it also has a lot of hints for painting.

    Another option is to get it powder coated the desired color

    taking part of is the way to go for a neat job.

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    has anyone had any luck going to an auto body shop and piggybacking a bike/frame paint job onto a regular car paint job?

    like, getting your bike frame/fork to the painter, and when they have a car to paint, get your bike painted at the same time...hopefully on the cheap...

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    Quote Originally Posted by veganboyjosh View Post
    has anyone had any luck going to an auto body shop and piggybacking a bike/frame paint job onto a regular car paint job?

    like, getting your bike frame/fork to the painter, and when they have a car to paint, get your bike painted at the same time...hopefully on the cheap...
    That's a fantastic idea. I bet they'd be willing to do it for pretty cheap since they'll have the paint already mixed and prepped. If you had the frame adequately stripped down and maybe primed, all they would have to do is hang it up and spray it. I'd look into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veganboyjosh View Post
    has anyone had any luck going to an auto body shop and piggybacking a bike/frame paint job onto a regular car paint job?

    like, getting your bike frame/fork to the painter, and when they have a car to paint, get your bike painted at the same time...hopefully on the cheap...
    Some auto body shops will do that, provided that you do all the prep work. You also have to settle for whatever color they are painting cars that week. $50 to $75 bucks should make the painter happy.
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    I just restored a 28 year old Schwinn Cruiser. I had the frame powdercoated for $100.00 at a shop I found in the phone book. Look under powdercoating in the phone book, and get prices! Spray painting looks good for a while, but soon will start chipping, or peeling. Throw down a few bucks, and get a good paint job that will last!

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    I always put several coats on myself and I'm going to clear coat it. Yes, I'm going to get the crank and handlebars OFF. Still this is want I'm doing this weekend and if you go to page SIX on Tempest-the grey bike grows up in this forum and you aren't spraypainting DaVinci, then this is the non Leonardo approach, which I will be happy with and isn't a typical example of anything Me and spraypaint know each other.

    Since the "copper" color is some kind of tinting and it's NOT MADE OF COPPER, yes, you can disassemble it and strip that tinting and do whatever...I'd bet it's worth a lot more coppery though. Think about that and see if another bike or an actual NON-COPPER BIKE of that make is available. It may be one that hauls in enough for two-three bikes, you never know some daze.

    PS For good, bad, ugly or indifferent information I'm using Dupli-Color automotive colors in at least three coats, mostly the D-C 500F ceramic engine enamel. topped over by D-C clear acrylic enamel. I hope to be finished before the week is out if you want to follow my fables and foibles in my thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sledbikes View Post
    this paint job is 6 years old and its all rattle can, its all in the prep work i would sand it down with 600grit just enough to scuff the finish. take the wheels off and tape off the rest use blue masking tape. stick to car laquers flat black in itself is not durable so add flat clear itll gloss a little bit but it looks good
    You had much the same idea I did. I'm learning the things you're speaking of also.
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    if you want Matte black


    then you put clear laquer over it...surely it will be shiny then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blutarski View Post
    I just restored a 28 year old Schwinn Cruiser. I had the frame powdercoated for $100.00 at a shop I found in the phone book. Look under powdercoating in the phone book, and get prices! Spray painting looks good for a while, but soon will start chipping, or peeling. Throw down a few bucks, and get a good paint job that will last!
    +1
    Powdercoating is much more durable, but it is thicker and should be done by a powdercoater who has experience with bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDXJeff View Post
    +1
    Powdercoating is much more durable, but it is thicker and should be done by a powdercoater who has experience with bikes.
    i have painters ADD otherwise i would have gone that route on my bikes but for a one time finish youre stuck with powdercoat
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    Sled, I'm not exactly sure what your saying, but powdercoat can be media blasted off.(?)
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    Re: Spray painting.

    I have painted several bikes over the years with Rustoleum, although I am certainly not what one would call a 'bicycle painter'.

    Recently, however, I painted various parts of a frame (braze ons that I had added, etc.) with 'plasti-kote' industrial enamel, which comes in a spray can. It's a total mystery to me where the can came from, or how long I have had it, since it is 'Osha Green', a color that I have never, ever considered using in the past.

    The bottom line is that this paint worked REALLY well for me.

    It has a 'Guaranteed not to clog nozzle' and will 'Spray in any direction'.

    The paint dried quickly (1 hour) and had a decent shine to it. Also it didn't 'bleed' under the amaturish taping job that I had done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
    You had much the same idea I did. I'm learning the things you're speaking of also.
    Learning, indeed, as you can see...still I will get it as close as I can with the striping and call it genuine. I'm not Rembrandt but I'm not Jackson Pollock either!

    It gets one more white stripe and touch-up then the fender is done! One Columbia repro split red reflector wil; be added.
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    I did it with my bike, and I only put 2 coats on (mainly cause im cheap and ran out of paint)

    it chips super easily but as long as you're careful with it and don't go around dropping it everywhere it'll look decent. i sprayed my bike a pink/black mix, looks good not perfect, but good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDXJeff View Post
    Sled, I'm not exactly sure what your saying, but powdercoat can be media blasted off.(?)
    Well it can, but it takes a really really really long time and you can't touch it up.

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