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smurfy 01-20-14 09:37 PM

Copper Tubing - is it Safe?
 
Got kind of a weird question.

I believe I saw a pic on another bike forum (I think Rat Rod Bikes but I can't remember) that had a cruiser with a handlebar made with copper tubing. I haven't seen a seatpost made with copper yet but is this material too soft? I can see doing a handlebar somewhat since there is not so much weight on but I was wondering if a copper seatpost would be doable (I weigh about 185 lbs). I'm wanting to make a layback seatpost for my cruiser since I can't seem to find any for sale anywhere.

TugaDude 01-20-14 09:50 PM

I'm sure there are folks on this site more well versed in metallurgy, but I would advise strongly against it! Way too soft. The only copper bikes I found when I googled copper bike were copper plated steel.

Darth Lefty 01-20-14 10:59 PM

Just looking into it, if you made it out of brass it would need to be about 1.5x thicker and thus 4.5x heavier than an aluminum bar of similar strength. Copper would need to be 2x thicker and thus 6x heavier.

ibikestickers 01-21-14 10:47 PM

Yeah, I think you're looking for a copper plated alloy seatpost, if you can find one. http://www.thecoolist.com/madison-st...cycle-company/

fietsbob 01-29-14 06:50 PM

Steel bike , then get it copper plated ./. think bronze baby shoes they're actually copper plated ..

only elemental metals .. elements electroplate not alloys ..

Copper will easily cling to clean steel , its the 1st layer of a good Chrome Plate job, Nickel the 2nd.

Grand Bois 02-25-14 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 16451528)
only elemental metals .. elements electroplate not alloys ..

You're not saying that aluminum can't be plated, are you?

Wilfred Laurier 02-25-14 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 16451528)
Steel bike , then get it copper plated ./. think bronze baby shoes they're actually copper plated ..

only elemental metals .. elements electroplate not alloys ..

Copper will easily cling to clean steel , its the 1st layer of a good Chrome Plate job, Nickel the 2nd.

steel is an alloy

FBinNY 02-26-14 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smurfy (Post 16427687)
Got kind of a weird question.

I believe I saw a pic on another bike forum (I think Rat Rod Bikes but I can't remember) that had a cruiser with a handlebar made with copper tubing. I haven't seen a seatpost made with copper yet but is this material too soft? I can see doing a handlebar somewhat since there is not so much weight on but I was wondering if a copper seatpost would be doable (I weigh about 185 lbs). I'm wanting to make a layback seatpost for my cruiser since I can't seem to find any for sale anywhere.

Commercial copper tubing (ie. water pipe), isn't nearly strong enough for handlebars. But I wouldn't consider it unsafe because copper is very ductile and will bend early on letting the owner know it isn't going to work. In desperation, it might be OK for cosmetic restoration, or even for a "special event" bike that will be gently ridden, but won't survive any kind of normal use.

fietsbob 02-28-14 05:57 PM

Quote:

steel is an alloy
Aren you dense? not talking about what you are applying the plating onto , just the metal being electro-deposited on the outside .

check your periodic table ..

If the object is aluminum the plated coating is typically more aluminum, AKA anodizing.

martl 03-01-14 05:07 AM

Some copper alloys have a tensile strength comparable to those of the more common low-alloyed steel (which is used in many bike parts). The E-modulus is in the range of titanium and about half that of steel, so a copper tube is twice as flexible as one made from steel with the same dimensions. Also, i imagine finding copper tubes in the dimensions needed for a bike handlebar might prove difficult, so copper-plated steel part is more feasible, if you want the looks. I doubt it will stay shiny for a longer time, copper oxidizes fast.

Wilfred Laurier 03-01-14 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 16536719)
Aren you dense? not talking about what you are applying the plating onto , just the metal being electro-deposited on the outside .

check your periodic table ..

If the object is aluminum the plated coating is typically more aluminum, AKA anodizing.


maybe i am dense
or maybe your vague and hard-to-understand writing is at fault
again

and reading back we see that grand bois thought you were saying that aluminum couldnt be plated
but maybe we are both dense

fietsbob 03-01-14 01:09 PM

the medium for electroplating is a metallic salt dissolved in an Acid,
and that is the conductor of the sacrificial metal in the anode, to the deposited upon item the anode.

It so happens once there is a bit of copper suspended in a bath of weak acid,
often used to clean off fire scale after soldering or annealing..

the act of putting a piece of steel in the bath will result in there being some copper deposited on it ..

additional copper in the acid, and the electric current between cathode and anode transports more metal
with the current flow ..
better writers here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroplating


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