Touring - Phil Wood or Chris King

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amahana1
04-19-05, 12:30 PM
Going to be building up some all purpose wheels and am at a cross roads as far as hubs go. For this wheel build Shimano is not an option so dont ask why im not going to use XT hubs or some other Shimano hub. For THIS build, Phil and King are my only options . The wheels will be used for commuting and occasional loaded touring. Any opinions either way?

Alekhine
04-19-05, 03:12 PM
I didn't vote or anything, but I don't know anybody who has spent the money to buy both for comparison, hehe. I suspect that if you just go with the, um... "cheaper" one, you're not going to be disappointed. Neither of those guys are known for making anything but purely excellent components in their respective millieus. Another one to consider is DT Swiss.
skookum
04-19-05, 05:45 PM
Phil all the way

jim-bob
04-19-05, 06:14 PM
Mmmm, phil.
Camel
04-20-05, 03:32 PM
Phill.

Go with Chris King if you'll be mountain biking, or doing cyclocross. Too much drag-but immediate pawl engagement (excellent for MTB/XC). Also the Chris Kings are noisy buggers.

I have a set of road wheels (I picked up cheap) with CK hubs-did a metric century for fun monday&the drag is vy noticeable. And that darned "buzzz" noise...
amahana1
04-23-05, 09:58 AM
I rode on a set of Kings for a while and had noticed the drag. They did loosen up after about 200 miles however.
Moose
04-23-05, 11:18 AM
There is no drag as long as you keep pedaling!!!
TheOtherGuy
04-23-05, 01:28 PM
My 30 year old Phil hubs still work great.
Camel
04-23-05, 11:49 PM
There is no drag as long as you keep pedaling!!!

There is a bit more though (while pedaling). I'm hoping mine will lossen up as amahana1's did.
amahana1
04-24-05, 10:21 AM
They will, you have to make sure that when you adjust them for the first couple of times that you dont tighten the adjusting cones too much, which is very easy to do by the way. Do exactly like King recommends to do, turn them ever so slightly, just enough to remove the play and no more and they will become silky smooth. If you give my front tire a spin while its in a stand and it will literally free spin for an hour.
CdCf
04-24-05, 06:30 PM
If you give my front tire a spin while its in a stand and it will literally free spin for an hour.

Ah, you must have a vacuum chamber then... :)
The main force to slow a rotating wheel down is air drag, on the spokes and all along the surfaces of the tyre and any other surfaces.
Can't imagine hub friction drag is even a significant part of the total drag.
amahana1
04-25-05, 10:46 AM
Ah, you must have a vacuum chamber then... :)
yes, picked it up from park, its a VC-12
;)