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alanbikehouston
04-22-05, 10:33 PM
When someone buys a nice bike, often their first question is: What is the "best bike lock" I can buy? Or, who makes the "strongest bicycle lock" money can buy?

The April 2005 issue of UK's "Cycling Plus" included the results of their 2005 lock tests. Cycling Plus tested the locks by trying to break them with manual tools favored by crooks and then cutting them with the type of portable, battery-operated power tools used by crooks.

SHORT VERSION OF TEST RESULTS: The Kryptonite New York 3000 U-lock is the "best bike lock" and the "strongest bicycle lock" for high crime areas and an expensive bike.

The OnGuard Bulldog Mini U-lock (just $24 at REI) is the "best bike lock", and for its low price, "the strongest bicycle lock" for average neighborhoods and for less expensive expensive bikes.

The European models: the Squire Paramount Plus, and the Axa-Basta Secu-City Plus model did almost as well as the New York lock. The German-designed mid-price Abus lock, was only "average" against power tools.

LOOONG VERSION OF TEST RESULTS: The tests using manual tools had one scary and surprising result: the locks were so strong that when heavy force was applied to the locks, the frame of the bike got mangled, while the locks remained in good shape.

To prevent damage to the frame, and to fully protect both the frame and rear wheel, position your lock around the rear wheel, just behind (but not around) the seat tube. That locking procedure secures both the frame and rear wheel. If a crook uses a prying method, he might bend the wheel, but he won't damage the frame.


HOW TO CORRECTLY LOCK YOUR BIKE by Sheldon Brown:

www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html




RESULTS BY LOCK TYPE:

- CABLE LOCKS: Cable locks are a joke. Most lasted just a few seconds. None lasted long. A cable may have some value for protecting your front wheel or your helmet. They have ZERO value for protecting your bike.


- BARGAIN U-LOCKS: The OnGuard Bulldog Mini U-lock ($24 at REI) was as strong as the top ranked Kryptonite New York 3000 against manual attacks. But, OnGuard locks don't last long against power tools, so the New York 3000 remains the top choice for "high end" bikes parked in Manhattan and other "crime centers".

- KRYPTONITE - The Bad News: Their second best U-lock, the Evolution, failed against manual tools in just 95 seconds, after the application of massive force. The leverage force applied to break the Evolution was so massive that the frame of the bike was mangled during the attempt. A good reason to put the lock around the rear wheel, not the frame.

My personal interpretation of the test results is that NO Kryptonite U-lock using a "single bolt" design is likely to last more than two minutes against a skilled crook.

The Kryptonite New York 3000 is far more effective than other Kryptonite U-locks because it uses two bolts to lock both ends of the "U" shackle, just as OnGuard does with every one of its U-locks. Then, the New York 3000 adds "cut resistent" steel to the shackles, making it about 400% stronger than OnGuard's best locks against (the very rare) cutting attacks using power tools.

MY SUGGESTIONS: If the crooks in your town use ONLY manual tools, and will never use power tools, buy the $24 OnGuard Bulldog Mini (or a larger Bulldog if your bike rack requires a larger lock). A compact lock provides less space for a crook to insert his tools, so buy the smallest version of the Bulldog that will fit around your rear wheel and your bike rack.

But, if you park on a "mega-sized urban college campus, or in a "high crime" area where Pro crooks have been known to power tools against targeted "high end" bikes, there is only one U-lock widely sold in the USA that really works: the Kryptonite New York 3000 Lock.

"Cycling Plus" did NOT test heavy weight chain locks in the April issue. However, in a previous CP test, the 8 1/2 pound Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit Chain lock lasted about eight minutes against power tools, compared with ten minutes for the four pound New York 3000 U-lock.

Because the four pound New York 3000 is the stronger of the two, the only reason to buy the eight pound Fahgettaboudit is if you lock your bike to telephone poles or large trees, or other objects that are too large for the New York 3000 U-lock.

USE YOUR HEAD: No lock lasted much more than ten minutes against power tools. Park at locations where only the dumbest crook would employ power tools for ten minutes. Lock your bike next to the ticket booth at the movie theatre, not in the dark alley behind the Theatre.

For "over-night" parking in a high risk area (never a great idea) consider combining two or three good locks. Most criminals are too lazy to work hard for twenty or thirty minutes. If they were willing to work that hard, they would not be criminals. A crook facing TWO New York locks might see the advantages of going out and finding "honest work".


brokenrobot
04-22-05, 11:02 PM
Good info - thanks! It's a shame Krypto won't make a "New York mini LS" - I vastly prefer the longer, narrower shackle!

LV2TNDM
04-24-05, 02:20 AM
Kryptonite used to make that very lock. It was the Rock Lock Mini LS. I have one and love it. Big like the New York, but narrow like a Mini. But it's the older lock, like the K-4's with the vulnerable extension on the key end. I still can't decide if I should send it back, as the older locks don't seem to be Bic Pic prone like the newer Evolutions.
Let's get Kryptonite or anyone else for that matter to bring back a mini-massive lock. Nice narrow New York locks would be great!


ultra-g
04-24-05, 02:39 AM
The tests using manual tools had a scary and surprising result: the locks were so strong that when someone applied heavy force to the locks, they ended up mangling the frame of the bike, rather than breaking the lock.


Is that surprising??? Frames are hollow and thin, locks aren't.

jeff-o
04-24-05, 07:57 AM
No mention of Abus locks?

Ziemas
04-24-05, 09:17 AM
No mention of Abus locks?
For some strange reason Abus was left out of the testing.

brokenrobot
04-24-05, 11:39 AM
Let's get Kryptonite or anyone else for that matter to bring back a mini-massive lock.

Onguard makes mini-LS versions of their high-end locks, though they don't seem to advertise them, and I had to special order. I just don't LIKE them as much as I like the Kryptos, mainly because of the design of the bracket meant to mount them on the bike. Check out the Brute Mini LS, http://www.bicyclebuys.com/Items01.asp?NavID=locks&M=425&T=118&P=1&D=NP - which seems VERY strong, but which weighs nearly as much as a Krypto New York chain, at nearly 7 pounds.

Guest
04-24-05, 11:55 AM
Maybe the abus wasn't mentioned because it's not as readily available in the USA (yes, I know it's UK's version, but maybe it was targeted to US consumers?). I heard the abus was the best out there, and I can't wait to pick one up when I get back to Europe.

I had the Kryptonite lock they talked about, but both of them failed- the first one only worked for 48 hours before it konked out and the second one only worked for about 3 months before it konked out. My only fear is that the lock may stop working while your bike is locked to it, then what are you going to do?

I have the kryptonite chain with a mul-ti-lock, and that works for me, but the kryptonite company is pretty disappointing to me overall. All that money I spent on locks, I just don't think they're effective.

Koffee

alanbikehouston
04-25-05, 07:44 AM
Maybe the abus wasn't mentioned because it's not as readily available in the USA (yes, I know it's UK's version, but maybe it was targeted to US consumers?). I heard the abus was the best out there, and I can't wait to pick one up when I get back to Europe.

I had the Kryptonite lock they talked about, but both of them failed- the first one only worked for 48 hours before it konked out and the second one only worked for about 3 months before it konked out. My only fear is that the lock may stop working while your bike is locked to it, then what are you going to do?

Koffee

The April 2005 issue of "Cycling Plus" article about their lock tests does includes some European brands such as Abus, Squire, Telock, and Axa. I have posted the "cut times" for the best European models in a post further down in this same thread.

Koffee, your problems with the newer Kryptonite locks might be the same problem I experienced when I first got my 2005 New Yorker lock. It is certainly a bit more difficult to get the NYL to lock than older Kryptonite models. However, after I practiced locking and unlocking the new design New York lock, and got the technique figured out, the lock works well.

The 2005 model of the New York lock has a "double locking" design. That means that the "cuts" at the bottom of both ends of the "U" shackle must be facing the revolving bolts inside the crossbar for the bolts to engage the shackle. If the "U" is facing away from the bolts, they can not close, no matter how hard you turn the key.

So, if the key does not turn easily, just flip the shackle around and insert it again with the "cuts" in the ends of the shackles facing the bolts inside the crossbar.

Still getting resistance when turning the key? Both shackles must be seated deeply and evenly into the crossbar for the key to turn. If there is any resistance when you turn the key, give the round end of the shackle a slap with your hand to seat the shackle deeply into the crossbar. The key should then turn easily.

Most hardware stores stock lubricants made just for locks, and a drop of lock lube in the keyway and on each bolt will make the lock work smoother, especially in cold weather.

EnigManiac
04-25-05, 08:15 AM
A few weeks ago I bought the mini OnGuard lock (to use with my massive thick chain) and four OnGuard cable locks. For the most part, they seem effective, but unlocking them can be a pain. Often they stop the key from entering all the way and I have spent several minutes trying to insert the key fully in order for the release to activate.

Recently, I saw something about bike alarms (think it was on the net). Does anyone have info on these and whether they are a sound investment or not?

supcom
04-25-05, 08:24 AM
Recently, I saw something about bike alarms (think it was on the net). Does anyone have info on these and whether they are a sound investment or not?

Unless you are within earshot of the alarm and are willing to confront a thief, then forget the alarm. Get a good lock instead.

brokenrobot
04-25-05, 08:48 AM
Recently, I saw something about bike alarms (think it was on the net). Does anyone have info on these and whether they are a sound investment or not?

I'd be stunned if they had any effect; car alarms have been proven to have none whatsoever - people are so used to hearing sirens and horns that they just tune them out completely. Unless you're always going to be less than 30 seconds from your bike and prepared to come running when you hear the alarm... in which case it might be useful - but you're the only person who's likely to respond to it.

jeff-o
04-25-05, 09:04 AM
I'm having trouble finding any useful info on the AXA locks. Does anyone know of a site that gives a complete product list? Even the manufacturer's site is pathetic.

jeff-o
04-25-05, 09:10 AM
Nevermind, is this the one that got the really good rating (this site says Gold)

http://www.wheelspincycles.com/products.php?plid=m2b31s93p147

alanbikehouston
04-25-05, 10:27 AM
Because folks are curious about how the European locks compare with the Kryptonite New York locks, I'm listing the "cut times" for the best locks in the "Cycling Plus" test. Each of the "best" locks survived a full five minute attack with manual "prying" and "leverage" type tools...and if a leverage attack fails after five minutes, it is likely to also fail after an hour...pry proof is pry proof. However, no lock lasts forever against a "pocket sized" battery operated cutting tool used by crooks in some cities.


The longest "cut" times in the "Cycling Plus" test are:

1. The Kryptonite New York 3000 lock. 1757 grams. Lasted more than ten minutes. Sold at your LBS. (The Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit Chain lock lasted eight minutes against power tools in a prior CP test.)

2. The Squire Paramount Plus. 2047 grams. Lasted nine minutes. A leading UK brand.

3. The Axa-Basta SecuCity Plus. 1604 grams. Lasted eight minutes. A UK and European brand.


After the Axa-Basta, there was a huge drop-off in the resistance to power tools. The next group of locks all lasted less than three minutes against portable power tools. Among the "medium time" group was a "low priced" lock:

The Magnum UL1 ("bargain priced" brother of the OnGuard Brute) 2,335 grams. Lasted two 1/2 minutes.

(The "Magnum" brand is the lower priced line sold by OnGuard locks. Available in the UK and I THINK I have seen some at bike shops in Houston.)


Also in the "medium times" group was a lock from Germany's BEST name in locks:

The Abus Varedo. 1132 grams. Lasted 1 minutes and 13 seconds. The highly regarded German-designed Abus Granit-X-Plus was not tested by Cycling Plus this time, but the Granit-X-Plus has done very well in all prior published tests, and in tests by "Sold Secure" and the ART Foundation. The Abus Varedo shows that even a company as outstanding as Abus can sell some mediocre products that should NOT be compared with their best products.


MINI LOCKS: Most folks don't want to take an eight pound lock on a short ride or when grabbing a cup of coffee. So, "Mini" locks are popular for everyday use. The only tested "Mini" lock that protected as well as the Kryptonite New York 3000 lock against manual attacks was the OnGuard Bulldog Mini lock:

The OnGuard Bulldog Mini. Under two pounds. Lasted 1 minutes and 16 seconds against power tools.

The 2005 model OnGuard Pitbull Mini has a similar design, and should do as well (the Pitbull costs about $35 compared with $24 for the Bulldog - they are essentially the same lock).

Please consider "hunting down" and buying a copy of the April "Cycling Plus" at Borders Books or Barnes and Noble Books or a larger size magazine store. "Cycling Plus" is well worth its expensive $9 price. CP usually includes at least five times the "content" of America's leading cycling magazine. If this "lock test" issue sells well, the editors of "Cycling Plus" will be encouraged to continue their very expensive and time consuming lock testing program.

Ziemas
04-25-05, 11:43 AM
The Abus Varedo 47 has an Abus rating of 9 on a scale of 1-25. It seems to be one of their low end locks.

Kayakado
04-25-05, 11:46 AM
I recently saw a bike lock from China that is supposed to be un-pickable. Its key has a tip like a philips head screw driver and four regular key serrated edges up the shaft that operate four separate cylinders in the lock head itself. The opening in the lock to insert the key looks like a four pointed star. Some guy in our bike club was offering to bring some back at $5 a pop but it seems that duplicate keys are hard to get here. Is anyone familiar with this type of lock (did my description make sense)? I can just see myself losing the keys and not being able to get replacements.

balto charlie
04-25-05, 12:12 PM
I recently saw a bike lock from China that is supposed to be un-pickable. Its key has a tip like a philips head screw driver and four regular key serrated edges up the shaft that operate four separate cylinders in the lock head itself. The opening in the lock to insert the key looks like a four pointed star. Some guy in our bike club was offering to bring some back at $5 a pop but it seems that duplicate keys are hard to get here. Is anyone familiar with this type of lock (did my description make sense)? I can just see myself losing the keys and not being able to get replacements.

At 5 bucks a piece, buy 2-3 locks from your friend, throw them out when you lose the key. Heck keys cost $3.

MERTON
04-25-05, 12:36 PM
how'd the old onguard brute do?

ofofhy
04-25-05, 12:55 PM
how'd the old onguard brute do?

Did you read the article???

max-a-mill
04-25-05, 01:10 PM
is there a link to this article??? :D

MERTON
04-25-05, 01:49 PM
Did you read the article???


it never talked about the brute.

ofofhy
04-25-05, 02:11 PM
is there a link to this article??? :D

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=101597

it never talked about the brute.

It talked about, "every lock from OnGuard..."

alanbikehouston
04-25-05, 06:17 PM
Merton, "Cycling Plus" did not test the OnGuard Brute. I apologize for my "test summary" being unclear regarding the "Brute". CP tested the Brute's massive "twin" that is sold under the Magnum name. It equaled the performance of the Kryptonite New York 3000 against manual attacks, but failed after 2 1/2 minutes against power tools, compared with the more than ten minutes it took to cut the Kryptonite New York 3000.

The $24 OnGuard Bulldog Mini U-lock tested just as highly as the Kryptonite New York 3000 against manual attacks. It is light and compact, the ideal "everyday" lock.

No crook in my town is going to bother using power tools to go after any of my herd of twenty year old bikes. So, my OnGuard Mini lock will continue to be my "everyday" lock, due to its compact size and portability.

Guest
04-25-05, 10:51 PM
The April 2005 issue of "Cycling Plus" article about their lock tests does includes some European brands such as Abus, Squire, Telock, and Axa. I have posted the "cut times" for the best European models in a post further down in this same thread. Two European locks had "cut" times that were just a tad behind the "winning" ten minute "cut" time of the Kryptonite New York 3000.

Koffee, your problems with the newer Kryptonite locks might be the same problem I experienced when I first got my 2005 New Yorker lock. It is certainly a bit more difficult to get the NYL to lock than older Kryptonite models. However, after I practiced locking and unlocking the new design New York lock, and got the proper technique figured out, the lock works very well.

The 2005 model of the New York lock has a "double locking" design. That means that the "cuts" at the bottom of both ends of the "U" shackle must be facing the revolving bolts inside the crossbar for the bolts to engage the shackle. If the "U" is facing away from the bolts, they can not close, no matter how hard you turn the key.

So, if the key does not turn easily, just flip the shackle around and insert it again with the "cuts" in the ends of the shackles facing the bolts inside the crossbar.

Still getting resistance when turning the key? Both shackles must be seated deeply into the crossbar for the key to turn. If there is any resistance when you turn the key, give the round end of the shackle a slap with your hand to seat the shackle deeply into the crossbar. The key should then turn easily.

The "downside" of this design is that it makes you work a bit harder to lock your bike. The "upside" is that this design is at least twice as strong against certain types of attacks as the Kryptonite "fast locking" design that uses a bent foot on the end of one shackle and only one bolt in the crossbar.

Most hardware stores stock lubricants made just for locks, and a drop of lock lube in the keyway and on each bolt will make the lock work smoother, especially in cold weather.

So, with both the new OnGuard and Kryptonite New York lock, just remember: face the shackle cuts toward the lock bolts, and "slap" the shackle to seat it deeply into the crossbar before turning the key. When unlocking, don't let anything "push" on the shackle (such as the post you are locked to) and if the key will not turn, just "slap" the shackle down into the crossbar to release it from the pressure of the lock bolts. Then, the key turns easily. With a day or two of practice, the technique becomes fast and easy.


I have the old Kryptonite locks. They don't lock. I've taken them to a locksmith, and they are dead locks, from what the dude said. I don't know what happened, but they just stopped working shortly after I got them. But thanks for the update. If I ever decide to get a kryptonite again (unlikely), I'll be sure to keep the method of opening them in mind.

Koffee

Guest
04-25-05, 10:57 PM
Cycle Plus has such high quality writing that I think I will just pick up a subscription. It is hands down so much better than Bicycling (my current subscription). Thanks again for publishing the results of the lock test.

Koffee

alanbikehouston
04-27-05, 11:45 AM
It seems logical that the eight pound Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit chain lock would "outperform" the lock that "Cycling Plus" rated as "best": the four pound Kryptonite New York 3000 U-lock. But, when I hunted down the CP test of the Fahgettaboudit chain, I was surprised by the results.

That massive chain lock lasted an impressive eight minutes against power tools. But the New York 3000 lasted ten minutes against power tools. So, unless someone MUST lock to telephone poles, or other objects too large for a U-lock, there is no good reason to haul around eight pounds of chain. The New York 3000 U-lock provides better security.

It is rare for crooks in most towns to use power tools against "average" bikes. (As opposed to a skilled Pro who has "targeting" a particular "high end" bike.) About 99% of the crooks use manual tools. The $24 OnGuard Bulldog Mini U-lock is just as strong against manual attacks as the Kryptonite 3000. So, for most folks, a compact two pound mini lock provides a high level of security. (When correctly attached to the rear wheel, just behind the seat tube).


HOW TO LOCK YOUR BIKE by Sheldon Brown:

www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html

alanbikehouston
04-29-05, 03:10 PM
I had the Kryptonite lock they talked about, but both of them failed- the first one only worked for 48 hours before it konked out and the second one only worked for about 3 months before it konked out. My only fear is that the lock may stop working while your bike is locked to it, then what are you going to do?



Koffee, thanks for posting about this. Otherwise, I might have thought it was a "fluke" when one of my new Kryptonite "flat key" locks refused to open this afternoon. It turns out that the "flat key" locks from Kryptonite and OnGuard have "keyways" with seven to ten thin metal plates in a "stack. If each plates is perfectly aligned with the others, the keyway forms a deep rectangle that fits around the key's shaft.

But, if you turn the key before it has fully seated against the bottom plate in that ten plate stack, the key might turn, but you will not be able to lock or unlock the crossbar.

Worse, when you remove the key, it will be impossible to reinsert the key, reach the bottom plate, and engage the lock bolts. The top plates are now out of alignment with the plates lower down in the keyway. The key gets "trapped" by the misaligned plates, turns freely, but can NOT release the lock.

Frustrated owners try to force the key lower into the crossbar, or to force it to turn against the misaligned plates. The result of using force to solve the problem are the broken keys that recent posts have mentioned.

Patience, not force, is the real solution. Shine a light into the keyway. Insert the key just 1/8th inch, and align the top metal plate by turning the key until its "rectangle" is matched perfectly to the "rectangle" on the second plate. Then, insert the key 2/8th of an inch, turn it until the rectangles on the top two plates is perfectly matched to the deepest plate. When every plate is in alignment, insert the key and seat it against the bottom plate. The lock can now be locked and unlocked.

I "practiced" realigning the keyway plates after discovering the problem. I intentionally misaligned the keyway plates with a key, and then realigned them. After a couple minutes of practice, realigning the plates just takes a couple of seconds, IF you have a good light available.

Now I know why I miss my "round key" locks...

peripatetic
05-01-05, 06:18 PM
Ok, so I read this earlier in the thread, there is no real difference betw. the Onguard Bulldog Mini and the Onguard Pitbull Mini? Just to make absolute certain. I think the Pitbull is a little heavier, though, right?

alanbikehouston
05-01-05, 08:05 PM
Ok, so I read this earlier in the thread, there is no real difference betw. the Onguard Bulldog Mini and the Onguard Pitbull Mini? Just to make absolute certain. I think the Pitbull is a little heavier, though, right?

Yes. The Pitbull Mini is heavier. But, they share the same 13mm shackle, so the added weight is in the crossbar. Because the Mini size does not leave enough room for effective leverage tools, the added weight in the crossbar is unnecessary.

The Bulldog Mini is very light, so there is no excuse to NOT ride with a good lock. And, it is as strong against leverage attacks as good locks weighing twice as much.

The combination of light weight, compact size, low price, and outstanding strength makes the Bulldog Mini the "best" buy in bike security.

peripatetic
05-01-05, 09:41 PM
alanbikehouston,

Just wanted to thank you for all of your work on this one. As a New York rider, the lock thing is important to me, and unfortunately, the choices offered by the various NYC LBSes are NOT great AND expensive.

Just for a little added input, though, I found a shortened, mini version of the Kryptonite NYC lock in a local, high-end sporting goods store, Paragon. I have not seen anything online about it, incl. at Kryptolock's website, and the thing was expensive as hell, but they ARE out there...maybe as a marketing test, or maybe as part of a comprehensive plan to introduce it after raising demand for the shorter version--I know that this is a common tactic with certain pen companies--newer, nicer pens/inks always come in the least-desirable versions, as a teaser on the market; then, when demand is high for black-ink versions, they release those. Might be Kryptonite's attempt to recover lost sales to OnGuard in the last several months.

And PS thanks for the tip on CP magazine, I'll be checking it out soon.

alanbikehouston
05-02-05, 05:40 PM
... I found a shortened, mini version of the Kryptonite NYC lock in a local, high-end sporting goods store, Paragon. I have not seen anything online about it, incl. at Kryptolock's website, and the thing was expensive as hell, but they ARE out there...


I have seen ads in the Euro and UK bike mags that suggest there is a "shorter" version of the Kryptonite New York 3000 on sale in Europe. That may be the model that you bought. And, it DOES sound like the "ultimate" lock. The more compact size would make it easier to lug around, and a compact sizes increases strength against leverage style attacks.

Maybe if everyone who is interested in using an "ultimate" strength lock would send an e-mail to Kryptonite, our neighborhood LBS will have a "New York Mini U-lock" next year.

malorty
07-12-08, 01:30 AM
I think I am going to be purchasing an OnGuard Bulldog Mini but I have some questions. I am confused by all the different locks. For instance what is the difference between the Bulldog Mini and the Bulldog STD, ATB, and LS? Also if the Bulldog Mini is "mini" why is it offered it 2 sizes? One of them being just as long as the Bulldog STD and ATB. I just want to be sure I am getting the same lock that was tested above in '05. Any clarification would be appreciated. thanks.

alanbikehouston
07-12-08, 05:21 PM
Look on the OnGuard website for descriptions of the Bulldog models. Over the years, the Bulldog name on been used on mini-locks, and medium and long u-locks.

My favorite version of the Bulldog mini was the version sold with NO bulky plastic casing around the crossbar. Many bike messengers have bought the "standard" mini and just hammered the plastic casing off. The permits carrying the lock in a large pocket.

Another good small lock is the Kryptonite Evo Mini u-lock.

slyborg
07-12-08, 06:56 PM
Anybody have (negative) experience with the 'Armor Cable" type locks of that type? I understand and agree that simple braided cable is easily dealt with using easily-concealed tools, but the Rottweiler has steel link plates covering the interior braided cable, would at least appear to be tougher to cut, and the 3/4" dia. version at 40" is only 3 oz. heavier than the Bulldog Mini. However, I note that OnGuard's "Limited Anti-theft warranty" covers none of their cable locks, including the Rottweiler.

The issue with the mini-U locks which I have personally run into is that they basically can only be used with a max couple of inch diameter posts you can put the bike in direct contact with. These can be harder to find than one would like in the vicinity of a specific destination!

As an aside, I see people U-locking to those green "No Parking" sign type posts, which I think would take maybe 90 seconds to go though with a good hacksaw at a convenient altitude to allow lifting the bike off, U-lock and all. A lot easier than attacking the lock directly, and someone willing to engage in burglary isn't going to be concerned with a little criminal damage to city property.

malorty
07-12-08, 07:24 PM
Look on the OnGuard website for descriptions of the Bulldog models. Over the years, the Bulldog name on been used on mini-locks, and medium and long u-locks.

My favorite version of the Bulldog mini was the version sold with NO bulky plastic casing around the crossbar. Many bike messengers have bought the "standard" mini and just hammered the plastic casing off. The permits carrying the lock in a large pocket.

Another good small lock is the Kryptonite Evo Mini u-lock.

So the mini's are only in reference to the width of the lock not the length?
What is the difference between these 2 locks below?
The bulldog mini seemed to get a higher score when tested in the '05 tests yet the bulldog STD (1st below) is more expensive and looks a little bulkier?

http://www.onguardlock.com/lockviewer.php?type=ulock&model=5010

http://www.onguardlock.com/lockviewer.php?type=ulock&model=5014TC

ablang
07-13-08, 01:19 AM
I'm confused. Look how many Onguard Pitbull's & Bulldogs there are on this site:
https://shop.sunrisecyclery.com/display/1057/ALL/

So which of those Onguard U-locks are very good and which are just okay?

Ziemas
07-13-08, 01:25 AM
Anybody have (negative) experience with the 'Armor Cable" type locks of that type? I understand and agree that simple braided cable is easily dealt with using easily-concealed tools, but the Rottweiler has steel link plates covering the interior braided cable, would at least appear to be tougher to cut, and the 3/4" dia. version at 40" is only 3 oz. heavier than the Bulldog Mini. However, I note that OnGuard's "Limited Anti-theft warranty" covers none of their cable locks, including the Rottweiler.

The issue with the mini-U locks which I have personally run into is that they basically can only be used with a max couple of inch diameter posts you can put the bike in direct contact with. These can be harder to find than one would like in the vicinity of a specific destination!

As an aside, I see people U-locking to those green "No Parking" sign type posts, which I think would take maybe 90 seconds to go though with a good hacksaw at a convenient altitude to allow lifting the bike off, U-lock and all. A lot easier than attacking the lock directly, and someone willing to engage in burglary isn't going to be concerned with a little criminal damage to city property.

Armored cable locks are not secure. It's very easy to get snips between the armored plates. Get a high-end U-lock or chain if you are serious about keeping your bike.

Here are two different lists of independently tested locks. One from the Netherlands and one from the UK.
Personally I use a lock which has been top rated by both testing firms.

I've also found Kryptonite locks to be much better constructed than OnGuard locks.



http://www.stichtingart.nl/sloten_resultaat.asp (click on ' Foto's tonen' for pictures of the locks)

http://www.soldsecure.com/Leisure.htm

ablang
07-13-08, 01:12 PM
Performance Bike has 4 of the Onguard Bulldog U-locks, but I don't know what the different abbreviations for each stand for or what makes them any different? Can someone translate?

Onguard Bulldog ATB U-lock $25
Onguard Bulldog DT U-lock $30
Onguard Bulldog LS U-lock $30
Onguard Bulldog STD U-lock $25

alanbikehouston
07-13-08, 01:51 PM
The OnGuard website should have width and length measurements for all current models. I've found that the smallest models work well for my preferred locking method, which is lock the rear wheel (and ONLY the wheel) directly to a steel post set in concrete, such as the pole on traditional parking meters.

In published tests of locks, only one or two of the very heaviest and most expensive cable locks provided protection at the level of the smallest, and lightest u-locks. A two pound u-lock is a strong, or stronger, than an eight pound cable lock that costs twice the price.

A good use for cable locks is for protecting the front wheel. I replace the quick releases on my front wheels with bolt-on skewers, and then use a cable lock to secure the front wheel to the frame or to a locking post. None of my front wheels are "fancy", so a cable lock has deterred any attempts to remove one.

The Kryptonite and OnGuard websites lists "star" ratings for each lock, and the dollar amount of the insurance provided for each lock. Those "in house" rating systems are consistent with the results of independent published tests: the locks with the most stars and the high dollar amounts of insurance have done well in tests, and the locks with the fewest stars and the low dollar amounts of insurance have not done so well.

Compare the dollar amounts of the insurance provided with cable locks with the insurance provided for u-locks. It becomes clear that OnGuard and Kryptonite have little confidence that their cable locks will prevent a bike from being stolen.

AllenG
07-13-08, 01:53 PM
Food for thought--
I and others have had issues with Onguard locks sticking and being impossible, or close to impossible, to open.

Ziemas
07-13-08, 02:02 PM
Food for thought--
I and others have had issues with Onguard locks sticking and being impossible, or close to impossible, to open.
+1

My wife, a friend, and I have all been a victim of this. None of us has ever had a problem with Kryptonite or Abus locks.

alanbikehouston
07-13-08, 02:19 PM
The two OnGuard locks I would prefer are:

- The Brute STD 5001. It has a shackle of 8 inches by 4.4 inches and has a $5,001 dollar insurance policy (I think insurance policies are useless, for a number of reasons, but the size of the insurance policy is a clue to the supplier's confidence in the lock).

The Brute STD is ideal for when you must leave a bike on a public street for hours at a time. I'd put one around the rear wheel and a steel locking post. A mini-lock or cable lock for the front wheel.

2. The Bulldog Mini TC (5013TC). $1,501 insurance policy. 5 1/2 inches by 3 1/2 inches (big enough to lock the rear wheel to a locking post if you do NOT put the shackle around any part of the bike's frame). Just two pounds, fits in a large pocket. Ideal for a ten minute stop at a coffee shop in a "safe" neighborhood, or for securing the front wheel with a "Brute" around the rear wheel.

OnGuard locks can be difficult to lock because they actually have two locks, one at each end of the "U". Some OnGuard locks require that the shackle be facing only ONE direction, because the "cut" on the shackle are on just one side.

That means you need to face the "U" in the correct direction, and fully seat both ends of the "U" into the crossbar before the locking pins will engage.

Although that design makes OnGuard locks a bit slower to use, it is also the reson that "pulling" types of attacks will fail.

Any lock needs lube. A locksmiths shop, or good hardware sells lube designed for locks. Put some in the keyway. Put some on the moving parts inside the crossbar. Doing that on a regular basis keeps the lock working smoothly.

One other problem people have is with the "anti-pick" plates in the keyway. There are a number of rotating plates in the keyway, and if you turn the key before getting the key fully seated at the bottom of the keyway, the plates get out of alignment, and you can not open or close the lock.

With practice, it takes just a few seconds to use the tip of the key to go inside the keyway, and rotate the plates, one by one back into alignment. Practice at home, so you are good at it on a dark, cold, rainy night.

Those rotating plates are NOT a defect. They are a design feature that helps make OnGuard locks difficult for a crook to "pick".

Ziemas
07-13-08, 10:57 PM
The two OnGuard locks I would prefer are:

- The Brute STD 5001. It has a shackle of 8 inches by 4.4 inches and has a $5,001 dollar insurance policy (I think insurance policies are useless, for a number of reasons, but the size of the insurance policy is a clue to the supplier's confidence in the lock).

The Brute STD is ideal for when you must leave a bike on a public street for hours at a time. I'd put one around the rear wheel and a steel locking post. A mini-lock or cable lock for the front wheel.

2. The Bulldog Mini TC (5013TC). $1,501 insurance policy. 5 1/2 inches by 3 1/2 inches (big enough to lock the rear wheel to a locking post if you do NOT put the shackle around any part of the bike's frame). Just two pounds, fits in a large pocket. Ideal for a ten minute stop at a coffee shop in a "safe" neighborhood, or for securing the front wheel with a "Brute" around the rear wheel.

OnGuard locks can be difficult to lock because they actually have two locks, one at each end of the "U". Some OnGuard locks require that the shackle be facing only ONE direction, because the "cut" on the shackle are on just one side.

That means you need to face the "U" in the correct direction, and fully seat both ends of the "U" into the crossbar before the locking pins will engage.

Although that design makes OnGuard locks a bit slower to use, it is also the reson that "pulling" types of attacks will fail.

Any lock needs lube. A locksmiths shop, or good hardware sells lube designed for locks. Put some in the keyway. Put some on the moving parts inside the crossbar. Doing that on a regular basis keeps the lock working smoothly.

One other problem people have is with the "anti-pick" plates in the keyway. There are a number of rotating plates in the keyway, and if you turn the key before getting the key fully seated at the bottom of the keyway, the plates get out of alignment, and you can not open or close the lock.

With practice, it takes just a few seconds to use the tip of the key to go inside the keyway, and rotate the plates, one by one back into alignment. Practice at home, so you are good at it on a dark, cold, rainy night.

Those rotating plates are NOT a defect. They are a design feature that helps make OnGuard locks difficult for a crook to "pick".
No, Alan, the OnGuard locks were defective, plain and simple. The faulty locks didn't freeze up due to improper use or maintenance, they froze up due to being improperly designed.

Neither Kryptonite or Abus locks with the same style flat key cylinder, used by the same people, under the same conditions, with the same level of maintenance have frozen. Only multiple OnGuard locks.

alanbikehouston
07-14-08, 10:56 AM
Bike Girl, THIS thread discusses your question in depth.

maddyfish
07-14-08, 11:57 AM
I've had good luck with Onguard locks for several years of daily useage.

dynaryder
07-14-08, 12:34 PM
Armored cable locks are not secure. It's very easy to get snips between the armored plates. Get a high-end U-lock or chain if you are serious about keeping your bike.


Not true. Back in the day,there used to be an armored cable for motorcycles called Cobralinks. The links were too close together and too bulky for a bolt cutter to get between them. Most good modern ones have collars on the links that interlock and completely cover the cable. Abus makes one that even has a Gold rating,but the shorter bicycle appropriate length model is impossible to find in the US.

dynaryder
07-14-08, 12:37 PM
No, Alan, the OnGuard locks were defective, plain and simple. The faulty locks didn't freeze up due to improper use or maintenance, they froze up due to being improperly designed.


Yep. I couple friends spent 45min playing with an OnGuard lock to get it open because they were locked together. I had an OnGuard start to get a little iffy on me and replaced it with a Krypto. To be fair,I have an OnGuard that I use daily that's never given me probs,but I'm real careful about using the key in it.