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i'm stopped at a light on my bike, right behind an H2. the license plates feature a picture of some birds in a marsh or something, labeled "wildlife conservationist." you know, those plates from the dmv that support our troops, your alma mater, etc. but wait, it gets better. the actual license plate number is "8 MPG." sigh.
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I hate the stupid Hummer 'half water'......
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I, like so many others, dislike the entire concept of the H2, but OTOH I love off road 4-wheel fun as much as the next Eastern-Kentucky HillBilly (I live in Michigan now).
Being a big fan of the Jeep line of 4WD vehicles, Wrangler, Scrambler, etc (I own a 1979 4WD Jeep Gladiator) I get a laugh every time I think of this (http://host1.cj-8.com/).
H2, the ultimate 4WD.... myass!
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Maybe the owner thinks the wildlife here is the H2, and those birds in the marsh are so overpopulated H2s are driven out to extinction. What hypocrisy?
I have a friend who was commuting to work on his bike when a van, with a bike rack on it's back, cut my friend off with the classic, "right hook".
Even better, the van had a bumper sticker on it that read, "Share the Road".
I don't like H2s. (http://zeleny.digitalfreaks.org/other/Spring2005/HummerPush.jpg)
I only wish I had had my bike with me when I saw it.
H2s are nothing more than Suburbans with a new sheetmetal skin and an extra $20,000 on the sticker.
I hate all large SUVs (but I really do like the in your face styling of the H2), unless they are used for what they where originally designed for. Taking the family to a soccer game 3 miles down the road isn't that purpose.
But singling out of H2s is nothing more than class warfare.
Why not pick on equally offensive vehicles like Suburbans, Escalades (which is sust another rebadged suburban/tahoe) Excursions, Expedition (and their re-badged versions)?
Because the H2 is visible, very visible.
H2s are nothing more than Suburbans with a new sheetmetal skin and an extra $20,000 on the sticker.
I hate all large SUVs (but I really do like the in your face styling of the H2), unless they are used for what they where originally designed for. Taking the family to a soccer game 3 miles down the road isn't that purpose.
But singling out of H2s is nothing more than class warfare.
Why not pick on equally offensive vehicles like Suburbans, Escalades (which is sust another rebadged suburban/tahoe) Excursions, Expedition (and their re-badged versions)?
I agree with you, but the H2 does seem to be in a class by itself as far as conspicuous over-consumption is concerned. I see the damned things all the time, and it really chafes me when I spot one in the parking lot of my local natural/organic foods, pro-environment, etc., grocery store. Inevitably, it's driven by some soccer mom who is so clueless she doesn't even see the contradiction.
I think I hate Escalades more. There is also a new H3 to be unveiled.
I agree with you, but the H2 does seem to be in a class by itself as far as conspicuous over-consumption is concerned. I see the damned things all the time, and it really chafes me when I spot one in the parking lot of my local natural/organic foods, pro-environment, etc., grocery store. Inevitably, it's driven by some soccer mom who is so clueless she doesn't even see the contradiction.
Hijacking the thread even more.
How about those people that shop in those health food stores. I once saw this emaciated waif reading a book called "Nutrition For Dummies"
I hate all large SUVs (but I really do like the in your face styling of the H2), unless they are used for what they where originally designed for.
Which in the case of Hummers would be... fighting wars for oil? Just guessing here. :p
Hijacking the thread even more.
How about those people that shop in those health food stores. I once saw this emaciated waif reading a book called "Nutrition For Dummies"
Hey, watch it Rocket! That's ME you're talking about!
Okay, granted. I don't think anyone could quite call me "emaciated," let alone waif-like. :D
Look on the bright side...someone has to keep this economy going. If everyone rode bikes and became addicted to heath food, what would happen to the stock of GM and McDonalds? ;)
Here's a cute and clever quote from GM:
General Motors Corp. gets right to the point in its advertisement for H2, the latest version of the mammoth Hummer all-terrain vehicle: "In a world where SUVs have begun to look like their owners, complete with love handles and mushy seats, the H2 proves that there is still one out there that can drop and give you 20."
Which in the case of Hummers would be... fighting wars for oil? Just guessing here. :p
The H2 has nothing to do with fighting for anything, and the original Hummer was not designed to be an SUV.
Gass @ 5$ per gal, the only sure kill off of Hummers and escalades, tough Caddy owners are usually immune to increase in gas prices
GM on the verge of splitting up 9current Kiplinger news letter0 sell ur stock now before it goes to 15$.Maybe the end of Hummers
Any Taiwan bike builders on the NYSE??
speaking of hummers, apparently the army is going hybrid...
http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,67271,00.html
[For a transport vehicle to be all it can be, the Army says it needs to run far on a tank of gas and provide portable power. To meet this goal, the military is developing a hybrid Humvee alternative that could boost the market for combination combustion-electric vehicles.]
I got one of these from www.dummer.org
I saw a cartoon the other day. Someone had written in the dusty back window of a Hummer ,"little penis"
the H2 proves that there is still one out there that can drop and give you 20."
I thought it only gave you 8.
The H2 has nothing to do with fighting for anything, and the original Hummer was not designed to be an SUV.
Oh please. Hummers (the original) are sold as SUVs, and are out there on the streets; H2s are directly related - if only through marketing - to the original Hummers, and sell largely because of that relationship. They're marketed as being tougher than other SUVs, and a large part of that "toughness" is a direct result of the perception of military heritage.
H2s are nothing more than Suburbans with a new sheetmetal skin and an extra $20,000 on the sticker.
I hate all large SUVs (but I really do like the in your face styling of the H2), unless they are used for what they where originally designed for. Taking the family to a soccer game 3 miles down the road isn't that purpose.
But singling out of H2s is nothing more than class warfare.
Why not pick on equally offensive vehicles like Suburbans, Escalades (which is sust another rebadged suburban/tahoe) Excursions, Expedition (and their re-badged versions)?
If we're going to bicker about what vehicles to pick on, we need to define our criteria. Pure gas mileage?
Oh please. Hummers (the original) are sold as SUVs, and are out there on the streets; H2s are directly related - if only through marketing - to the original Hummers, and sell largely because of that relationship. They're marketed as being tougher than other SUVs, and a large part of that "toughness" is a direct result of the perception of military heritage.
The original HumVee was a military vehicle. It was not designed to be marketed as an SUV. It was brought to market as such due to public demand, initiated by the Governator. I used the word "designed" which I think was pretty clear. The H1 was based entirely on the original HumVee design, being "demilled" for the civilan market once the civilian market demanded that it be sold as an SUV. Simple concept that I'll repeat again: It was not designed to be an SUV, but it's fully independant drivetrain goes a long way to make up for it's size when it comes to capability. It's a tough bastage.
The H2 is built on a Tahoe chassis. In my opinion it's an overweight, overpriced, overmarketed piece of crap. It's size makes it poorly suited to most offroad applications, and I believe that anyone that owns one has more money than sense. It was designed to look tough, but it has no more ground clearance, nor much more durability than a Tahoe.
One would also assume that the owner of the H2 also pays a lot more in taxes each year and IS supporting wildlife in that manner!
The glass is half-full.
But singling out of H2s is nothing more than class warfare.
Why not pick on equally offensive vehicles like Suburbans, Escalades (which is sust another rebadged suburban/tahoe) Excursions, Expedition (and their re-badged versions)?
What on earth are you talking about? Class warfare because I choose to dislike a very specific, very obvious, very offensive vehicle on which to bestow my hate? Those poor, poor H2 owners who HAD to get an H2. Must be tough to be in that class. wtf, dude.
And for the record, I personally am an equal opportunity hater. My "I hate your SUV" sticker is my favorite sticker on my bike.
One would also assume that the owner of the H2 also pays a lot more in taxes each year and IS supporting wildlife in that manner!
Unless they wrote it off.
A 1997 provision in the U.S. tax code (Section 179) provided small businesses with a tax write-off of up to $25,000 for a vehicle weighing more than 6,000 pounds- used 50% of the time for work purposes. The original intent behind this provision was to encourage investments in pickup trucks, minivans, and other needed service vehicles. A far smaller incentive was provided for cars—less than $7,000 over two years...
In 2003, the Bush administration proposed increasing the tax deduction to $75,000. Lawmakers responded by expanding it to a whopping $100,000 as part of the $350 million tax cut package. Yet Congress did not change the weight-based classification of the vehicles, creating a huge benefit for the largest, least efficient vehicles.
link (http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/cars_and_suvs/page.cfm?pageID=1280)
And for the record, I personally am an equal opportunity hater. My "I hate your SUV" sticker is my favorite sticker on my bike.
My new commuter is a mystery frame that the previous owner powdercoated bright yellow. No decals, no badges, no nothing. I'm thinking of hiring a signpainter to put "Burn Your SUV" or possibly "Burn Your Escalade" on the toptube in fancy script...
Where'd you get your sticker?
The original HumVee was a military vehicle. It was not designed to be marketed as an SUV. It was brought to market as such due to public demand, initiated by the Governator. I used the word "designed" which I think was pretty clear. The H1 was based entirely on the original HumVee design, being "demilled" for the civilan market once the civilian market demanded that it be sold as an SUV. Simple concept that I'll repeat again: It was not designed to be an SUV, but it's fully independant drivetrain goes a long way to make up for it's size when it comes to capability. It's a tough bastage.
So, then, you're in agreement with me: Hummers were designed for fighting oil wars. Did we really have to go 'round your favorite semantics merry-go-round to get there?
So, then, you're in agreement with me: Hummers were designed for fighting oil wars. Did we really have to go 'round your favorite semantics merry-go-round to get there?
We are in agreement that the original Hummer was designed for fighting wars, and I presume that we are in agreement that civilians owning them is at least silly, maybe even ludicrous, and probably that anyone that owns an H2 is lacking in...well maybe just lacking.
It's not semantics, I said the original wasn't designed as an SUV, you countered like I was a fool for thinking they weren't sold as an SUV. I wasn't addressing marketing.
By the way, it does make sense that a rich environmentalist bought the H2 to advertise H2's lack of sensibility, albeit subtly, on a license plate.
By the way, it does make sense that a rich environmentalist bought the H2 to advertise H2's lack of sensibility, albeit subtly, on a license plate.
I seriously doubt that was the case. Nor do I think that it's a case of clueless hypocrisy. I think whoever owns the H2 in question knew *exactly* what they were doing. They bought the nature-themed license plate as an ironic "F* you!" to all those who hate H2s and their ilk.
Threads like this one are exactly the reaction they were hoping for.
On the internet we call them "Trolls", in the real world they're called a**holes.
-Trevor
A few years back, some arab sheik pimped out a lamborghini military vehicle. it was known as the "Rambo Lambo" Legend has it that only 300 were made, and sold for about $120,000. I used to see one driving driving around Newport by some punkass with a lot of bucks. One of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.
http://www.curiousstranger.org/photos/san_francisco_may_2004/rambo_lambo.jpg
Old VW things like pretty cool when restored and tricked out. Get better mileage too.
A few years back, some arab sheik pimped out a lamborghini military vehicle. it was known as the "Rambo Lambo" Legend has it that only 300 were made, and sold for about $120,000. I used to see one driving driving around Newport by some punkass with a lot of bucks. One of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.
http://www.curiousstranger.org/photos/san_francisco_may_2004/rambo_lambo.jpg
Old VW things like pretty cool when restored and tricked out. Get better mileage too.
Close! Moroccan King Hassan bought the first one. (http://www.lambocars.com/lm/lm002.htm)
http://www.lambocars.com/archive/highres/lm00228.jpg
I completely agree with your assessment. I always thought the Miura was kinda neat looking:
http://www.lambocars.com/archive/highres/miurasv18.jpg
We are in agreement that the original Hummer was designed for fighting wars, and I presume that we are in agreement that civilians owning them is at least silly, maybe even ludicrous, and probably that anyone that owns an H2 is lacking in...well maybe just lacking.
My apologies; I read your original post as a sort of ham-handed defense of Hummer drivers... I just couldn't quite figure out exactly what that defense *was*!
:p
Yeah it seems that I've not been so good at getting my point across in this forum. Not sure if it's me or that cycling advocates tend to be very passionate. I seem to be able to communicate just fine everywhere else. :o
I saw a cartoon the other day. Someone had written in the dusty back window of a Hummer ,"little penis"
Hmmmm, I wonder what a good psychiatrist would say about the person that wrote that grafitti there? There seems to be a lot of fixation going on in this area.
uh... what is making it stuck? there's nothing for it to be stuck on.
It's high centered on a stump. You're not supposed to go over obstacles directly under the center of the vehicle. The original Humvee would have made it easily.
Hmmmm, I wonder what a good psychiatrist would say about the person that wrote that grafitti there? There seems to be a lot of fixation going on in this area.
Well, I think it's a common enough connection in the general public view, such that whether there was any original justification for the penis/car connection, there may be some now. I saw an ad on tv the other day that seemed strangely counterproductive. It showed this wimpy guy with a sad, beat-up little pickup. Women ignored him wherever he went. Then he got an even sadder monster truck (I forget which brand) and there was a buxom beauty in the seat beside him. His shoulders were back and he was beaming.
Now, it seems to me this ad is saying: if you're not manly enough to impress women on your own, buy a truck. It will help. But read a little deeper, and you'll conclude: people who buy this truck must have an inferiority complex, and I *doubt* the truck is actually going to change that.
I saw a fun play on this a couple years back in another ad. An over-dressed, over-confident guy hops out of some fancy car and these women giggle and turn away saying "I wonder what he's over-compensating for?" The an ordinary guy steps out of something plain, like a civic, and the women whisper among each other: "Oooh, I wonder what he's got under his hood." I think that was before the days of the hum-vee. And speaking of penis fixations, isn't hummer some kind of slang for oral sex?
All I'm saying is that it *may* have been meaningless once, but once it pervades popular consciousness, you can no longer deny people think about these things, and that thinking does influence buying patterns.
Hypocrisy? Maybe, maybe not. Here's why.
The plan we are going to implement, over the next few months, for this family consists of having a single vehicle that will cover everything we normally do, pull the boat, utility trailer, etc. and have room inside or on top for the four of us, two labs, a couple of guests and all the gear we need for a specific excursion, fishing, hiking, hunting, birding, nature watching, spearfishing, golf, etc. Now this dictates a large vehicle with four wheel drive. Personally, I like the idea of a crew-cab p/u, the wife wants an SUV. I can live with an SUV. We both like Toyota.
Now, with a single vehicle that will do almost all of what we want a vehicle to do, it will sit in the yard a majority of the time while we use bicycles to do a large percentage of our running around. I expect this will require taking this hulking SUV to, say the grocery store for some small, but quickly needed thing, once in a while. But so what? Not even the best high mileage hybrid can hope to match not having a second car in any or all of the bad things about having that second car.
A second car, over and above one that will cover all the bases, would only be excessive. A second car, regardless of type, construction or size, will only be a waste of resources, waste of fuel, waste of money and will be more polluting than a single large SUV as a secondary vehicle to the bikes.
The only reason we don't start implementing this plan now, is that now doesn't fit in with certain upcoming, but unavoidable, events.
Hypocrisy? Maybe, maybe not. Here's why.
The plan we are going to implement, over the next few months, for this family consists of having a single vehicle that will cover everything we normally do, pull the boat, utility trailer, etc. and have room inside or on top for the four of us, two labs, a couple of guests and all the gear we need for a specific excursion, fishing, hiking, hunting, birding, nature watching, spearfishing, golf, etc. Now this dictates a large vehicle with four wheel drive. Personally, I like the idea of a crew-cab p/u, the wife wants an SUV. I can live with an SUV. We both like Toyota.
Now, with a single vehicle that will do almost all of what we want a vehicle to do, it will sit in the yard a majority of the time while we use bicycles to do a large percentage of our running around. I expect this will require taking this hulking SUV to, say the grocery store for some small, but quickly needed thing, once in a while. But so what? Not even the best high mileage hybrid can hope to match not having a second car in any or all of the bad things about having that second car.
A second car, over and above one that will cover all the bases, would only be excessive. A second car, regardless of type, construction or size, will only be a waste of resources, waste of fuel, waste of money and will be more polluting than a single large SUV as a secondary vehicle to the bikes.
It sounds like you've already got a second car: your bikes.
If I had to buy a vehicle like you need, I'd make it a diesel for sure. You need gobs of torque.
Well, I think it's a common enough connection in the general public view, such that whether there was any original justification for the penis/car connection, there may be some now. I saw an ad on tv the other day that seemed strangely counterproductive. It showed this wimpy guy with a sad, beat-up little pickup. Women ignored him wherever he went. Then he got an even sadder monster truck (I forget which brand) and there was a buxom beauty in the seat beside him. His shoulders were back and he was beaming.
Now, it seems to me this ad is saying: if you're not manly enough to impress women on your own, buy a truck. It will help. But read a little deeper, and you'll conclude: people who buy this truck must have an inferiority complex, and I *doubt* the truck is actually going to change that.
I saw a fun play on this a couple years back in another ad. An over-dressed, over-confident guy hops out of some fancy car and these women giggle and turn away saying "I wonder what he's over-compensating for?" The an ordinary guy steps out of something plain, like a civic, and the women whisper among each other: "Oooh, I wonder what he's got under his hood." I think that was before the days of the hum-vee. And speaking of penis fixations, isn't hummer some kind of slang for oral sex?
All I'm saying is that it *may* have been meaningless once, but once it pervades popular consciousness, you can no longer deny people think about these things, and that thinking does influence buying patterns.
I recall a British ad for the Mini Cooper that was along the same lines. It had a mock game show where contestants tried to guess what a guy drove by the size of his "equipment." Of course, the guys were all shown from the back and, supposedly a curtain would be drawn to display what God gave 'em. Then a sign would be revealed over their heads indicating the particular car. There were three guys receiving this treatment. The first two were Ferrari or Lamborghini drivers--something like that. Then the third guy's curtain was drawn to huge gasps from the audience. At that point, the sales slogan came up on the screen: "Mini - When you have nothing left to prove."
My new commuter is a mystery frame that the previous owner powdercoated bright yellow. No decals, no badges, no nothing. I'm thinking of hiring a signpainter to put "Burn Your SUV" or possibly "Burn Your Escalade" on the toptube in fancy script...
Where'd you get your sticker?
Do it, that's awesome.
I know the guy who made them from CritMasses and Alley Cats and the like and I emailed him when I found out it was him who made them and he mailed me one. He works for Dirt Rag, if you want his contact info, PM me.
Maybe the license plates are just a warning for whoever the next empty headed fool is that is thinking about buying it. ;)
Koffee
It sounds like you've already got a second car: your bikes.
If I had to buy a vehicle like you need, I'd make it a diesel for sure. You need gobs of torque.
WOW! Where would you find one! Only Jeep offers a diesel and I can't get them to couple it with a manual transmission.
Joe
http://www.fuh2.com/
http://www.ewg.org/reports/upsidedown/release_20030310.php
:)
A few years back, some arab sheik pimped out a lamborghini military vehicle. it was known as the "Rambo Lambo" Legend has it that only 300 were made, and sold for about $120,000. I used to see one driving driving around Newport by some punkass with a lot of bucks. One of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.
http://www.curiousstranger.org/photos/san_francisco_may_2004/rambo_lambo.jpg
I still find it hard to believe that Lamborghini actually came up with that thing to compete against the HMMWV.
I still find it hard to believe that Lamborghini actually came up with that thing to compete against the HMMWV.
Again very close. Lambo built the Cheetah, which was introduced in 1977, on contract for an American company that wanted to market it to the US military. It was powered by a Chrysler engine, they hoped that have a US built engine would get them in the door. The HMMWV didn't go into production until 1985, although design work started in 1979...still after the Cheetah was built. The LM002 was built from the start to appeal to wealthy people that wanted a Lamborghini but didn't have decent roads, and they were luxury vehicles from the start. A few were built for military use, most notably for the Saudis, but they were basically stripped down. Having spent some time in Saudi Arabia, I can tell you that their military has a habit of owning luxury vehicles that have been modified for military use.
Well, at least that explains why it's so hard to believe: because it's not correct information.
Well, at least that explains why it's so hard to believe: because it's not correct information.
LOL! No but it's close!
WOW! Where would you find one! Only Jeep offers a diesel and I can't get them to couple it with a manual transmission.
You have to go with a crewcab truck instead of an SUV, though the Excursion comes in a diesel version. If you're doing heavy towing, diesel is the way to go.
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