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megaman
04-30-05, 11:55 PM
I was reading a thread in Foo about condom use and the whys and such. But it disappeared while I was reading it. Bummer. I didn't feel the thread was getting out of hand. I didn't see it as distasteful.
That said in the recumbent forum on one of the threads some pretty nasty things were said about BROL and some of our forum members, but that lives on. Why?
Maelstrom
05-01-05, 12:42 AM
I can't comment on one as it wasn't my decision, its also based on law that doesn't apply to me in canada.
As for part2 - the things you are claiming are offensive are commonplace on the internet. I agree he is trolling, but not offensive (I have dealt with far worse 'old schoolers' coming into mountain biking claiming we don't know how to ride blah blah) You guys need to ignore the trolls. First rule I learned 15 years ago "don't feed the trolls" You (as a collective) keep giving him bait and he keeps biting. I believe one mod also removed said offender based on the reports. So you guys did get what you wanted.
hoodlum
05-01-05, 10:06 AM
I was the one who started the thread in Foo that got deleted. As I have come to realize, some of the people in this forum are pretty young. I certainly wasn't trying to start a thread which was vulgar, but I can see how maybe that topic ws not in good taste give the age of some of the people who would be viewing it. I got myself into a little hot water with one of the mods, and I hope they can see I didn't mean to start any trouble.
LordOpie
05-01-05, 10:10 AM
I got myself into a little hot water with one of the mods...
I could see a mod PMing you and suggesting such threads are inappropriate, but you most certainly should not have gotten in "hot water". If you feel that mod's behavoir was inappropriate, then forward it on up the line.
Speaking of which, is there a mod hierarchy? Or should everything go straight to Joe (or Koffee)?
As for the age of members here, the very first reply to the condom thread (I think) was "forum*rider"? He's 15 yo and made a great post. Something about being too young to have sex, but gonna keep an eye on the thread to hear different points of views.
I think the thread had a possibilty for good discussion.
hoodlum
05-01-05, 10:35 AM
I could see a mod PMing you and suggesting such threads are inappropriate, but you most certainly should not have gotten in "hot water". If you feel that mod's behavoir was inappropriate, then forward it on up the line.
I didn't say the mod did anything that was not appropiate. I don't like starting trouble and I don't think anything that is vulgar has a place where the younger crowd has access to it. I didn't intend to be vulgar. I get the feeling the mod thought I was. This is not the case, and the mod was just doing his/her job. I just wanted to make the point that I wasn't trying to do anything obcene.
skydive69
05-01-05, 11:02 AM
I was reading a thread in Foo about condom use and the whys and such. But it disappeared while I was reading it. Bummer. I didn't feel the thread was getting out of hand. I didn't see it as distasteful.
That said in the recumbent forum on one of the threads some pretty nasty things were said about BROL and some of our forum members, but that lives on. Why?
Of course I always look on the bike forums for information on condoms. LOL I'd like to see the whole foo forum deleted in that one cannot choose which forums one wants to scan when you select "view new posts." There are enough forums on the internet dealing with any subject you can conceive of without using up space over non cycling bs.
megaman
05-01-05, 11:06 AM
Of course I always look on the bike forums for information on condoms. LOL I'd like to see the whole foo forum deleted in that one cannot choose which forums one wants to scan when you select "view new posts." There are enough forums on the internet dealing with any subject you can conceive of without using up space over non cycling bs.
But isn't that what Foo is for?
pitboss
05-01-05, 11:21 AM
Speaking of which, is there a mod hierarchy? Or should everything go straight to Joe (or Koffee)?
This is Joe's house.
As for the age of members here, the very first reply to the condom thread (I think) was "forum*rider"? He's 15 yo and made a great post. Something about being too young to have sex, but gonna keep an eye on the thread to hear different points of views.
I agree 100% - this was probably one of the most mature posts I have seen on this forum is a long time.
skydive69
05-01-05, 12:06 PM
But isn't that what Foo is for?
Well, yes it is. However, it would be one thing if one could choose to not see messages in certain forums when one does a search for new posts which is my approach to the forum. It takes too much time to search each forum individually. My point is that in that all of the foo posts show up as well as the cyling oriented posts, I must scroll through posts that have nothing to do with cycling. I don't believe one needs a forum for everything on a forum dedicated to a certain interest. If the Bike Forums was the only medium for internet communciations it would be one thing, but there are 8 zillion forums dealing with everything imaginable. Having said that, I have certainly read foo related topics or I would not have landed in this thread. If I had my druthers however, I would rather see just cycling stuff on the cycling forum.
BostonFixed
05-01-05, 12:16 PM
I'd like to have an explanation on why that thread was removed.
It is obnoxous, offensive, and rude to remove posts/threads with out warning/explanation.
pcsanity1
05-01-05, 09:25 PM
I personally think it was rediculous to delete it....those below 18 can find much more inappropriate stuff in many other places on the net.
Did Joe delete it or did some overzealous mod delete it? Makes me wonder....At least a note should be put on the thread saying why it was deleted so that we can avoid the decency police in the future.
PC
BostonFixed
05-02-05, 01:11 PM
One of the overzealous mods deleted it, probably had an issue with premarital sex. One of the more stupid decisions I've seen on these forums.
Here's a pm from mod vrkelley with the details:
[originanally pm'd to hoodlum]
"[Edited out by Joe: PM's are private, I'd rather not have them re-posted publicly]"
Here's an idea- Since we are all unhappy with that post being deleted, let's pm vrkelley, joe, and the other mods to get it back. lala [mod], loked the post, so at least we have one mod ally.
BostonFixed
05-02-05, 01:13 PM
I personally think it was rediculous to delete it....those below 18 can find much more inappropriate stuff in many other places on the net.
I agree. Just type 'sex' into mr. google, and look at the hits you get.
pcsanity1
05-02-05, 02:07 PM
I definately think vrkelley is out of line not just for deleting the post, but also for the unprofessional, chastizing, threat of "blacklisting" Hoodlum....but then again, this is a free site...oh wait, no it is not...! I paid for access to this site!
Is that the route this site is heading, If so I would like my donation back and I will quietly leave.
PC
Joe Gardner
05-02-05, 02:56 PM
Thanks guys, I'm looking into this now. I have not seen the original thread, but I'll review it myself and see if it should be re-instated. There's no question that we sometimes are over zealous in our moderating, this may be the case on the sex thread. I'll keep you updated.
If you have a concern about any individual moderator, drop me a PM. If you have a concern how I'm running a site, drop one of the other mods a PM and they will bluntly let me know... ;)
BostonFixed
05-02-05, 04:32 PM
If anyone wants to see the pm from vrkelley, as it looks like people do not want it posted here, pm me.
Joe- I posted the pm, becuase it is common courtesy to have public explanation for why threads are deleted without warning. Obviously some mods do not know this.
It is obnoxous, rude, and offensive to delete posts without warning, and not give a public explanation.
This wasn't the case where it was a fighting or spam post, it was a legitamate post where many people had posted in earnest and many others watching the thread. It was deleted with out warning or explanation.
Let me reiterate:
It is obnoxous, rude, and offensive to delete posts without warning, and not give a public explanation.
Let this be a warning to all those out there in moderatorland.
LordOpie
05-02-05, 04:42 PM
How about this... don't delete a thread ever. Lock it with an explanation and it'll sink to the archives. If there's a particular post or three that are super offensive in said now-locked thread... edit them so the content is there, but the offense is gone.
That way, everyone's happy.
here's my take on this.
Whenever I delete a post I try to include a reason in the
deleted message. It's usually just one or two words.
Sometimes its not possible to PM every user when we delete
a post, I do alot of moderating during the day, when I pop in
from work to see what is going on.
Another thing that I did not see mentioned is that Joe has
restrictions that he must live with. I believe that his provider
has guidelines for sites they host and there are fines for violations
(I will double check with Joe on this).
While we all like to think this is an open playground it really isn't.
Marty
Joe Gardner
05-02-05, 06:19 PM
Let this be a warning to all those out there in moderatorland.
This is my favorite part of your post... ;)
On a more serious note, I fully agree 100% with Lotek. We have an active thread in the mods corner about this issue, and how we can all be better mods. The mod team is a work in progress, everyone moderates a bit differently, over time, we will all pickup the same mod habits, and hopefully be on the same page. Until then, threads like this one can only help make the mod team better.
BTW, Lotek mentioned the web host TOS / Acceptable Use Policy, while we have deleted threads that could cause problems with the web host in the past, it doesn't look like the thread in question would have.
Joe,
Thanks for the clarification on the TOS/ Acceptable Use policy. Wasn't sure
that it applied to this situation.
Marty
phantomcow2
05-02-05, 07:16 PM
I find it extremely rude when mods lock threads or delete them without explanation myself. I thought that thread was a good laugh personally. If you ask me the mods here (overall) are the best ive encountered as a group in all moderated forums/chatrooms. And i was an IRCop in a large server, the folks there sucked. Im surprised this happened
And i was an IRCop in a large server, the folks there sucked. Im surprised this happened
You're giving me bad flashbacks to my days as an IRCadmin/op on EFnet. :)
phantomcow2
05-02-05, 07:23 PM
You're giving me bad flashbacks to my days as an IRCadmin/op on EFnet. :)
I did the IRCop thing for 1.5 years and it was enough to steer me clear from IRC for life. The mods in general suck, they would kick and ban people for nothing. LIke this floating cloud from above that you cant get rid of
If ya don't like the way things are run here...
Go somewhere else and set up ya own forums.
Doubt most of ya whingers and whiners'd have the ability to set it up let alone run it. You certainly don't seem to appreciate what ya've got here.
FWIW, I think it's remarkable for the size of the site and the membership that all this talk is about puny thread on condoms.
I did the IRCop thing for 1.5 years and it was enough to steer me clear from IRC for life. The mods in general suck, they would kick and ban people for nothing. LIke this floating cloud from above that you cant get rid of
I did the IRCop thing for... err... well I would rather not admit to that. ;) At anyrate, I have been involved in all aspects of IRC from early on... including server as well as client coding (do a search on "IRC" and "WintrHawk" sometime). IRC has the unfortunate aspect in that it's a networked collection of servers all with different rules but each IRCops can have powers that transgress the boundaries of their local server. In general, it used to be frowned upon to kill someone off a remote server. There were many reasons for this both technical and political. As far as channel operations go, it was really up to the channel operators to police themselves and IRCops were supposed to stay out of channel politics. At anyrate, the different levels of policy across the different hierarchies of jurisdiction in IRC-land could get very complicated. In some ways, forum mods have both more and less control over their userbase than IRCops.
LordOpie
05-02-05, 07:32 PM
Sometimes its not possible to PM every user when we delete a post...
You always PM me... I feel special :love:
phantomcow2
05-02-05, 07:33 PM
If ya don't like the way things are run here...
Go somewhere else and set up ya own forums.
Doubt most of ya whingers and whiners'd have the ability to set it up let alone run it. You certainly don't seem to appreciate what ya've got here.
FWIW, I think it's remarkable for the size of the site and the membership that all this talk is about puny thread on condoms.
Are you a redneck? Thou shall not speak up thy opinion. Thou shall obey thy husband.
Geeez, that bluddy dipsy, ditzy actress in Holywood who named her daughter Rowan...
For once and for all, I'm a happily heterosexual MALE! Redneck maybe, too, but very definitely MALE.
FWIW Rowan is a centuries old Scottish MALE name. Leave it to an American to b@stardise a perfectly good MALE name.
monogodo
05-03-05, 06:52 AM
May I offer a couple of suggestions?
When locking a thread, post the reason why as the last post.
When deleting a thread, PM the thread originator with the reason.
It works for me on the forum that I moderate.
pcsanity1
05-03-05, 10:53 PM
Thanks guys, I'm looking into this now. I have not seen the original thread, but I'll review it myself and see if it should be re-instated. There's no question that we sometimes are over zealous in our moderating, this may be the case on the sex thread. I'll keep you updated.
If you have a concern about any individual moderator, drop me a PM. If you have a concern how I'm running a site, drop one of the other mods a PM and they will bluntly let me know... ;)
Joe- and what is the update on this? :rolleyes:
I have not seen the thread reappear? The PM I sent to you as well as V were not answered....
Joe Gardner
05-04-05, 02:42 AM
I have been super busy with my "real life" and have not had time to make a decision on this issue...
I'll respond to unanswered PM's ASAP.
Joe- and what is the update on this? :rolleyes:
I have not seen the thread reappear? The PM I sent to you as well as V were not answered....
Yeah, pay your $2.50 a year and demand instant 24/7 service. Just where do *you* get off?
I liked your original idea... get a refund and leave.
All over a condom... thread. Sheesh.
pcsanity1
05-04-05, 08:36 PM
Yeah, pay your $2.50 a year and demand instant 24/7 service. Just where do *you* get off?
I liked your original idea... get a refund and leave.
All over a condom... thread. Sheesh.
Hi Rowan....when you pay you can give your opinion.... I noticed you dont have your red star... :D
Last I checked it was more than $2.50...
Anyways....Dont expect 24/7, but when a commitment to a response is made, I do expect it. So, where do you get off....give your $ to support, then talk. ;)
Hi Rowan....when you pay you can give your opinion.... I noticed you dont have your red star... :D
Last I checked it was more than $2.50...
Anyways....Dont expect 24/7, but when a commitment to a response is made, I do expect it. So, where do you get off....give your $ to support, then talk. ;)
Read carefully my friend... you pay $25 for 10 years subscription. That works out to $2.50 a year. I get off for being someone who is a member of the forums, and I am as entitled to give my opinion are you are. You only paid up to enable you to whinge and whine without feeling guilty. What I do with my money is my business. But I sure wouldn't be whingeing and whining like you are.
monogodo
05-04-05, 09:40 PM
Read carefully my friend... you pay $25 for 10 years subscription. That works out to $2.50 a year.
Interesting. When I click on the link to pay, it gives me a term of 32 years, which works out to $0.78125/year.
Interesting. When I click on the link to pay, it gives me a term of 32 years, which works out to $0.78125/year.
The sentences must be increasing in line with the crime!! :D
Thats interesting 32 years. Thats a long time!
reich17
05-05-05, 01:09 PM
I hope this thread isn't deleted.
I mean its not like I have brought up pie yet... :D
jk
I mean its not like I have brought up pie yet... :D
jk
Well, you have now.
Egg and bacon with thin slices of tomato, and puff pastry. Mmmm mmmmm.
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