need help on picking frames

[e30driver]

okay the two frames i am loking at is PREMIUM PRODUCTS FRAME (2005) from albes for $240 or the WE THE PEOPLE PRIMATE "OSATO" FRAME form danscomp for $200 or the omen frame from dans for $180.
which one should i get?
also what type of bb should i choose?
right now i have a gt bike but if iam going to upgrade it why not just build a new bike. then i might sell the gt on ebay or give to some kid in my nehborhood who needs a okay bike.

so what do you think i should i get? my buget is $240 on a frame.

anywhere i can read reviews on these frames?

[queensrider86]

don't get the omen; the chain and seatstays are narrow so the tires would rub on your frame

[lunchbox]

I'm guessing the GT you have is probably an american BB.

[e30driver]

i know my gt has an american BB
but which frame should i get?

[e30driver]

any one???
did i put this in the right spot?
i hear wtp sucks is this true???

[KinetikBiker]

go with the Premium products frame..... there nice...and WTP...ive heard bad things about there frames...

[KinetikBiker]

get reviews from....... www.bmx-test.com

[queensrider86]

go with the Premium products frame..... there nice...and WTP...ive heard bad things about there frames...


The only good thing on the premium is the gusset on the chainstays.

[e30driver]

okay
i think i am going to get the euro bb, but i want a profile ss crank!!! so i dont know yet.
so now i am having a hard time choosing which frame:
my choices are
WTP PRIMATE(the newest one)
and the
Premium Products 2005


very noob question whats a gusset?

[queensrider86]

okay
i think i am going to get the euro bb, but i want a profile ss crank!!! so i dont know yet.
so now i am having a hard time choosing which frame:
my choices are
WTP PRIMATE(the newest one)
and the
Premium Products 2005


very noob question whats a gusset?



why would you want a ss crank. It's like 60 ounces.just get a dj or race crank. why are you choosing these frames? because of their price?

[e30driver]

okay queensrider86 you made me think.
okay checked out the dj's i think ill go for those.
the yes thats why iam choosing the frames because of there price. are they any good?
whats wrong with them?

[queensrider86]

okay queensrider86 you made me think.
okay checked out the dj's i think ill go for those.
the yes thats why iam choosing the frames because of there price. are they any good?
whats wrong with them?

the premium and primate seem to have similar geomerry, but the primate is about a pound heavier.

If you like one get it, but i prefer american frames such as S&M/Fit, Standard,kink,or fbm

[KinetikBiker]

The only good thing on the premium is the gusset on the chainstays.
i would have the Premium over the WTP any day/long night/at trails...or somewhere else

[queensrider86]

but you don't need a good bike because you can't do anything

[e30driver]

hay queensrider86 where is the premium frame made in? also is the frame 100% CHROMOLY?
i couldent find any info on were the frame is made.
and i do plan to get better at doing tricks!! itll take time!!

[CMcMahon]

The only good thing on the premium is the gusset on the chainstays.

Why? It serves no function at all if you're not doing pedal grinds, and simply using thicker tubing on the chainstays belays the need for that extra metal.


hay queensrider86 where is the premium frame made in? also is the frame 100% CHROMOLY?

Taiwan, and the answer the chromo question is yes.

[queensrider86]

and i do plan to get better at doing tricks!! itll take time!!


i was talking to kinetic. i hope you know premium is haro

[queensrider86]

Why? It serves no function at all if you're not doing pedal grinds, and simply using thicker tubing on the chainstays belays the need for that extra metal.


true, and i do lots of pedal grinds

[iweargirlspants]

omen or premium would be good i almost bought an omen but got my fit instead and it was the best choice ever GT = YUCKY though.

[e30driver]

i was talking to kinetic. i hope you know premium is haro
yes i know premium is haro!! is that bad?
so are tiwwan frames bad (the ones made there)?
so whats a good frame from S&M/Fit, Standard,kink,or fbm for $240-250? so what would you recomend?
thanks alot

[queensrider86]

yes i know premium is haro!! is that bad?
so are tiwwan frames bad (the ones made there)?
so whats a good frame from S&M/Fit, Standard,kink,or fbm for $240-250? so what would you recomend?
thanks alot



S&M dirtbike ($250)

Standard 2004 250s ($250) or the nicer version 2004 250s ox ($290) or the Sta ($250)

I ride the Sta, but the ox version.

This is from dans comp

Albes has the kink 2004 cielencki and freebird frames for $225

[x matt]

save a bit more cash and throw down on a solid or t1.
i'm riding a solid kp ripper which is now known as the euro killing machine. been riding it for about 2 years now with no problems. everyone i know never has problems with their solid or t1 frames.

[e30driver]

thanks Queensrider86
man thoes frames are heavy but if it will last then thats allright
well i was looking but i dont know what to get
the standard 250 s
or
the sta mark 4
whats the diffrence besides where the rear break is located?

and X matt
the solid is friken heavy 8 pounds for the ones in my price range!!!
which is $250

edit!!!!
holy cow iam deffinatly going with standard because they have a life time warrenty!!!!
but one question
on the standard web site http://www.standardbyke.com the frames are like 5pounds and 14 oz. while on albes and dans they say they are 6 pounds and 5 oz. why the diffrences???

[queensrider86]

albes looks like they mess up the weights alot. the frames on the standard website are the ones with the oxplatinum tubing. i have the 5lb version of the sta mark 4, because it is ox platinum

[e30driver]

so what is the ones with out the oxplatinum tubing made of?
whats the diffrence between the sta mark 4 and the standard 250 s?
and what kind of giro do i need for the mark 4 frame? it has no giro tabs!!!!

[bmxrdr88]

dont get a premium, or a wtp. get a T1. or an fbm, mutiny, solid, or a mongoose, or a huffy.

[e30driver]

i thought mongoose and huffy wernt good, well are they?
i think ill stick to the standard frame.

[queensrider86]

so what is the ones with out the oxplatinum tubing made of?
whats the diffrence between the sta mark 4 and the standard 250 s?
and what kind of giro do i need for the mark 4 frame? it has no giro tabs!!!!


they are made of 4130 chromoly, what every other good frame is made of. STA's are very strong

they are different in strength, weight,brake mount position, and other geometry

all gyros come with the plate attatched to the headtube

[e30driver]

thanks
whats the advantage of having the breaks on the chain stays(hope thats right) and the upper part(like on the mark 4)?

[queensrider86]

I think thatthe brakes work more efficient on the chainstays, and the seatstay mounts(upper part) allow more compact gearing

[e30driver]

oh okay thanks.
do you think odessy parts are good? i want to use them for this bike iam building.
also will i need a head set? btw whats a head set? and whats its function?

[KinetikBiker]

yes i know premium is haro!! is that bad?
so are tiwwan frames bad (the ones made there)?
so whats a good frame from S&M/Fit, Standard,kink,or fbm for $240-250? so what would you recomend?
thanks alot
i know Premium is Haro but its there better "higher end" parts and frames...thats why all Haros higher end bikes come with Permium Cranks, and other parts..like the Mirra Pro

[KinetikBiker]

dont get a premium, or a wtp. get a T1. or an fbm, mutiny, solid, or a mongoose, or a huffy.
he would be a billion times better off with the Premium or WTP than a Huffy and maybe a Mongoose especially if they come from a department store...and they dont sell frames they sell completes

[e30driver]

okay i am going to get the standard sta mark4 or 250-s frame!! if they still have in stock in july!!!

heres my parts list.
Standard sta mark 4 bike or 250-s
Frame: standard sta mark 4 or 250-s= 250 (dans)
Forks: odyssey pro flatland fork= 85(dans)
Cranks: odyssey 41 thermal 3 pc crank=145
Headset: a-head set tank= 22(dans)
Stem: odyssey chock full o’ nuts stem w/tabs=40(dans)
Bar: kink life bars= 50 (dans)
Gyro: odyssey gtx gyro= 20(dans)
Brake(2): odyssey evolver u brake= 60(dans)
Lever: odyssey modulever= 35
Chain wheel: odyssey utility chainwheel= 35
Chain: kink fat boy chain= 20
Wheelset: haro heffer 2 48’s wheel set= 90
Pedals: mosh step pedals= 25
(i know i didnt put a seat in the parts list. over $800!!! might be a bit out of my price range)

or i can go with the pro pakege that dans offers because it wil be cheaper.
what do you think about the parts?
do you think i should get the pro pakege from dans and build it my self or stick with my parts list?

[queensrider86]

okay i am going to get the standard sta mark4 or 250-s frame!! if they still have in stock in july!!!

heres my parts list.
Standard sta mark 4 bike or 250-s
Frame: standard sta mark 4 or 250-s= 250 (dans)
Forks: odyssey pro flatland fork= 85(dans)
Cranks: odyssey 41 thermal 3 pc crank=145
Headset: a-head set tank= 22(dans)
Stem: odyssey chock full o’ nuts stem w/tabs=40(dans)
Bar: kink life bars= 50 (dans)
Gyro: odyssey gtx gyro= 20(dans)
Brake(2): odyssey evolver u brake= 60(dans)
Lever: odyssey modulever= 35
Chain wheel: odyssey utility chainwheel= 35
Chain: kink fat boy chain= 20
Wheelset: haro heffer 2 48’s wheel set= 90
Pedals: mosh step pedals= 25
(i know i didnt put a seat in the parts list. over $800!!! might be a bit out of my price range)

or i can go with the pro pakege that dans offers because it wil be cheaper.
what do you think about the parts?
do you think i should get the pro pakege from dans and build it my self or stick with my parts list?


Pro flatland fork? get a pro race or dirt

Haro wheels? no. go for the industry wheels, well worth the $20 extra, even though it is made by dirt brothers

if you are just learning, the kink chain is fine, but get a 3/16 sprocket. if you use a 3/16 chain on a 1/8 sprocket, the teeth get thin and eventually snap. i would get a 510 and a bash guard

[CMcMahon]

Pro flatland fork? get a pro race or dirt

There's nothing wrong with the Flat forks; they're just as strong if not stronger than the Race forks, and some people like the rake on them more than that of the Race and Dirt forks.


Haro wheels? no. go for the industry wheels, well worth the $20 extra, even though it is made by dirt brothers

The Industry wheels aren't any better than the Haro wheels; if you want something good, go for Odyssey wheels.


if you are just learning, the kink chain is fine, but get a 3/16 sprocket. if you use a 3/16 chain on a 1/8 sprocket, the teeth get thin and eventually snap. i would get a 510 and a bash guard

That's not true at all. I ran a 1/4" Sharp chain for a year with a 1/8" Terrible One sprocket and I never had that problem. The necessity of a bashguard is a matter of opinion, but the 510HX is by far the best chain on the market, in my opinion and from my experience.

[e30driver]

i dont know i might go with the pro pack at dans because $530 or so i could do not $900+ (be easy on me iam a noob).
should i go with the pro pack (i plan to build it my self)?
or get the frame and save untill i get all my parts (may take a while)?

[queensrider86]

The Industry wheels aren't any better than the Haro wheels; if you want something good, go for Odyssey wheels.


he might not have enough for odyssey wheels. even though industry sucks, they are sealed and double walled

[KinetikBiker]

i dont know i might go with the pro pack at dans because $530 or so i could do not $900+ (be easy on me iam a noob).
should i go with the pro pack (i plan to build it my self)?
or get the frame and save untill i get all my parts (may take a while)?
dont get the "pro pack" from dans...becuase then your just getting Poverty parts with the exception of few parts....its worth it to wait, buy the frame, then part by part till you have your bike...just use the parts you have now on the Standard frame....when you get it

[bmxrdr88]

i was joking about the huffy and the mongoose stuff. you guys should know that.

[e30driver]

do you think my parts from my gt will work?

[KinetikBiker]

i was joking about the huffy and the mongoose stuff. you guys should know that.
sure...ok whatever you say

[KinetikBiker]

do you think my parts from my gt will work?


depends...look for stuff in your new frame like weither it has an American BB, Euro BB,spanish BB or Mid BB, internal headset, top tube size...and colors.....and see if what you have is compatable..you might have to buy a euro conversion kit or internal headset something like that......

[bmichaelx]

...freebird frames for $225

That is the way to go...The Kink Freebird frames are the best ever!!!!!! I got one and its freakin awesome!!! Scratch you previous ideas of a premium or wtp and got with the KINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[e30driver]

i dicided to go with standard, but who knows i might change my choice last minute!!!

[KinetikBiker]

i dicided to go with standard, but who knows i might change my choice last minute!!!
i like how you start out with the WTP frame or the Premium Frame and then you switch companies twice and now your think about gettin a Standard..anywho...which Standard are you think about getting???

[e30driver]

iam thinkin of gettin of getting the standard mark 4 from dans but if they dont have that anymore then ill get the 250s if its still on sale. if thats not on sale then probally get the kink freebird!!!
those frames are all made in usa rite???
the reason i switched to standard is there lifetime warrenty, i mean who else puts a lifetime warrenty on there frames???? tell me id like to know!!!

[S&ML.A.F.rider]

just get an S&M black bike, simple and easy, nice bike too