Foo - cops taser guy in butt on bike

im not sure how feel about this, i think its funny,but it kinda scares me. i love my town

A purse-snatching suspect, furiously pedaling away from police on a bicycle, was stunned -- literally -- Monday when a pursuing police officer shot him in the buttocks with a Taser fired out his cruiser window.

see the rest here
http://www.mlive.com/news/muchronicle/index.ssf?/base/news-6/1115217920268190.xm

That clenched my sphincter!

nice shot!

Right hand steering the car, and left hand shooting bad-guys in the buttocks:eek:

That clenched my sphincter!
Why? Do you go around stealing purses from octogenarian women?

That clenched my sphincter!

lol

electro shock therapy for the masses

im not sure how feel about this, i think its funny,but it kinda scares me. i love my town

A purse-snatching suspect, furiously pedaling away from police on a bicycle, was stunned -- literally -- Monday when a pursuing police officer shot him in the buttocks with a Taser fired out his cruiser window.

see the rest here
http://www.mlive.com/news/muchronicle/index.ssf?/base/news-6/1115217920268190.xm


What's to be unsure of? The guy is a thief. I'd feel pretty good. The cops in your town are doing their job. They're not using excessive force. No one was injured but the perpertrator and the judge isn't just slapping his wrist and letting him go.

Yeah, I'd feel good.

That "no one was injured" comment doesn't have to be true.
Electroshock weapons are often put forward as non-lethal and causing no permanent damage. Sadly, that's not true.

I personally feel that non-lethal weapons should not be allowed at all in any law enforcement situations.
The reason is that since the users believe (wrongly) that the weapons are harmless, they're more inclined to use them than a real gun, which they know is often lethal.

Now, if they only used them on proven, serious criminals, I wouldn't mind as much, because the criminals knew what they were doing, but it's all too common that police officers mistake identities and go after innocent people.
To be electroshocked as an innocent, and live with the possible damage for the rest of your life, is not something I'd want to experience.
If police officers only had guns, they're much less likely to shoot people unless the situation is dangerous, which it's highly unlikely to be if the "victim" is innocent.

You're exactly right. It doesn't have to be true... but in this instance it is. And that's what matters

So, you want to ban non-lethal weapons because someone 'might' suffer grevious injury if they are hit by such a device. Interesting. I can assure you that if that cop would not have had a taser and been forced to use his pistol be it a 38 - 357 Mag - 9mm - 40 the outcome would have beel less than rosy for that known repeat offender. How much more proven and serious do you need? (I'm getting an inner chuckle fron the concept of a 'comedic criminal')

Crime is all about informed decisions. You know what you want/need. You plan on how to obtain it, and you prepare to elude capture... knowing full well what the consequences MIGHT be should your forray not go as planned.

Given a choice, I'll take my chances with a tazer ovet a 40 cal any day, thank you very much.

Well, you clearly didn't understand at all what I wrote.

Not just "might". People DO suffer irreparable damage from high-voltage electric shocks. The problem is that the damage usually doesn't show up until many years later.

And you have to remember that, unlike in the trigger-happy US, guns are very rarely used by police forces over here.

And there's still the issue with innocent people being electroshocked by police when they wouldn't have used their guns. The fact that the electroshock weapons are considered to be safe and non-lethal, lowers their threshold substantially to the point where they'll use it "just in case" even though they're not threatened or even sure the victim is guilty!

This lethal vs non lethal weapon stuff is a non issue. The issue is taking away consequences for breaking the law. If I break the law I know what will happen. Speeding means a fine, robbery means that I might be thrown on the ground at gun point and then handcuffed. To me the deterrant is the consequence. We no longer expect consequences for our actions and that leads to idiots like this one. In my opinion public hanging could reduce the number of serious crimes! The US holds the highest crime rates in the world because the consequences for the crimes don't match the seriousness of the crime.

It's not a non-issue. Again, you ignorantly assume that everyone who is subjected to a police officer's authority is guilty. Not so.
Many are in fact completely innocent. You people over there even execute innocent people. That's not even an opinion, that's a fact.

Wednesday, May 04, 2005
By Lisa Medendorp
CHRONICLE STAFF WRITER

The fleeing man,.......was hit in the buttocks by one of the probes fired from the electro-shock device. ........

He went down in seconds.

Then, "he put his hands up and said he'd do anything I asked him to," said Muskegon Township Officer Tim Thielbar

And to think I've been paying big $$$ for years for this kind of treatment when I could have moved to Muskegon and got it for free!!!!!!! :D

This lethal vs non lethal weapon stuff is a non issue. The issue is taking away consequences for breaking the law. If I break the law I know what will happen. Speeding means a fine, robbery means that I might be thrown on the ground at gun point and then handcuffed. To me the deterrant is the consequence. We no longer expect consequences for our actions and that leads to idiots like this one. In my opinion public hanging could reduce the number of serious crimes! The US holds the highest crime rates in the world because the consequences for the crimes don't match the seriousness of the crime.


Exactly! Thank you very much.

It's not a non-issue. Again, you ignorantly assume that everyone who is subjected to a police officer's authority is guilty. Not so.
Many are in fact completely innocent. You people over there even execute innocent people. That's not even an opinion, that's a fact.



While you ignorantly assume they are innocent.

Fact, innocent people generally are not in places or situations where crimes are commited nor do they act like criminals when confronted by authorities.

Oh man...

Every day, innocent people are arrested.
Every day, innocent people are convicted of crimes.

It really is that bad. All over the world.
People make mistakes, that's an unfortunate part of life, but when police officers and courts make mistakes, the consequences are generally much worse.
And giving police officers access to a weapon they believe is harmless allows them to make worse mistakes than would otherwise have been the case.

Fact, people sometimes DO act like criminals when they're confronted by authorities, because the natural reaction is to run away from anything threatening, which is what a police officer pointing a weapon at you is to most people.
And since most crimes are commited where people are, your other argument also falls flat.

Oh man...

Every day, innocent people are arrested.
Every day, innocent people are convicted of crimes.

It really is that bad. All over the world.
People make mistakes, that's an unfortunate part of life, but when police officers and courts make mistakes, the consequences are generally much worse.
And giving police officers access to a weapon they believe is harmless allows them to make worse mistakes than would otherwise have been the case.

Fact, people sometimes DO act like criminals when they're confronted by authorities, because the natural reaction is to run away from anything threatening, which is what a police officer pointing a weapon at you is to most people.
And since most crimes are commited where people are, your other argument also falls flat.



Yup, your're right. I concede.

Ouch! But he had it coming...

Koffee

shocking! :eek:













heehee! :D

if you know you are innocent, there is no reason to run, yet I may be innocent for a purse theft, I may have an ounce of green on myperson. So that makes me guilty of something.
I watched a modern marvels on booby traps. Some guy was sick and tired of getting his warehouse broken into and vandalized, theft, what not. So the warehouse owner rigged a shotgun to the window that these people were most often breaking into. He posted a sign that said "Enter at your own risk" A 15 year old kid broke in and got his head blown off. The owner went to jail for 1st degree manslaughter.

It is a messed up world and I envy European Nations that don't have two trigger happy, power hungry @$$holes with pistols and a shotgun serving and protecting.
These weapons are msitakenly referred to as non-lethal when in fact they are less-lethal. I don't like it one bit but I do believe I would rather be hit with a taser than a bullet any day.
mike

Again, you ignorantly assume that everyone who is subjected to a police officer's authority is guilty.

Seems a fair certainty in this case. In any event, resistance to arrest is also illegal in its own right.

This lethal vs non lethal weapon stuff is a non issue. The issue is taking away consequences for breaking the law. If I break the law I know what will happen. Speeding means a fine, robbery means that I might be thrown on the ground at gun point and then handcuffed. To me the deterrant is the consequence. We no longer expect consequences for our actions and that leads to idiots like this one. In my opinion public hanging could reduce the number of serious crimes! The US holds the highest crime rates in the world because the consequences for the crimes don't match the seriousness of the crime.

The taliban agrees with you. Please show me anywhere in history where it is proven that public execution does anything except show the culture that violence is an answer to their problems.

Funny, how we're one of the last western countries that still performs capital punishment - and we also have far higher murder rates. #25 on this list (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap&int=-1).

You've got a reason to run since you can never know if the guy pointing his weapon at you is a sane, honest police officer or a raving lunatic in a stolen uniform...

Some of my favorites:

http://thepete.com/taser-used-on-66-year-old-grandmother/

http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Nov_04/131104_tasers.html

http://www.atsnn.com/story/54013.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/15/taser_kids_zapped/

http://www.newsday.com/mynews/sfl-ckid18dec18,0,785013.story
"Pembroke Pines police shot a 12-year-old boy with a Taser last week after the student threatened an officer on a bus, a department official said Friday.The incident occurred Dec. 10, more than a month after Miami-Dade police were criticized for shooting a 6-year-old boy and a 12-year-old girl with a Taser."

And there's still the issue with innocent people being electroshocked by police when they wouldn't have used their guns. The fact that the electroshock weapons are considered to be safe and non-lethal, lowers their threshold substantially to the point where they'll use it "just in case" even though they're not threatened or even sure the victim is guilty!

Innocent people don't run away from cops nor do they cop an attitude, act agressively, or resist, so the likelyhood of them getting shocked is extremely low.

Again, you're ignoring the fact that an electroshock weapon is believed by the police officer to be harmless to the victim. This effectively means they're likely to use it as a "just in case" measure, regardless of how the person reacts.

And people DO run away from police officers even if they're innocent, if they feel threatened. I know I would!
(Generally, I stay well clear of uniformed law enforcement people of any kind, since abuse of authority and privileges is far too common, especially amongst private guards. I even walk circles around them when in a mall or similar situation. They've been known to jump people for no justifiable reason many times, so I'm not taking any chances.)

Haha he got what was coming to him, but lets find out just how much a taser really does hurt, and lets see how much it effects Dangerous Dave. :D http://www.plsthx.com/disp.php?type=m&id=189

Lets make everyone happy. Take away the guns and tasers. Instead we will arm each cop with an epilady.

Innocent people don't run away from cops nor do they cop an attitude, act agressively, or resist, so the likelyhood of them getting shocked is extremely low.

You'd think. You'd also think that the odds of a police officer tasering a 6 year old is extremely low. Not low enough.

lol

electro shock therapy for the masses

Electro shock Therapy for the asses is more like it

It's not a non-issue. Again, you ignorantly assume that everyone who is subjected to a police officer's authority is guilty. Not so.
Many are in fact completely innocent. You people over there even execute innocent people. That's not even an opinion, that's a fact.
Umm the guy was wearing the old lady's purse around his neck and was fleeing the police If he was innocent I'm Saddam Hussien

And people DO run away from police officers even if they're innocent, if they feel threatened. I know I would!
(Generally, I stay well clear of uniformed law enforcement people of any kind, since abuse of authority and privileges is far too common, especially amongst private guards. I even walk circles around them when in a mall or similar situation. They've been known to jump people for no justifiable reason many times, so I'm not taking any chances.)

Is that really what it's like in Sweden?

Electro shock Therapy for the asses is more like it

:eek: :D :D

Yes. But I doubt it's limited to Sweden.

Part of the problem is the kind of people who are recruited to the police forces.
They tend to be over-aggressive people who thrive on authority and violence.

The US might actually be better off in this respect since this category of people would probably find their way to the military over there.
Here, we don't have employed soldiers, so that outlet isn't there for them.

The private guards are even worse. There was a fairly high-profile case recently were a member of the Swedish parliament had been arrested by a private guard for allegedly being drunk and endangering his young child.
The guard had been on duty outside a club when the MP walked past.
He happened to be in a happy mood that day and probably moved in a rather whimsical manner, which could be mistaken for drunkenness.

The guard left her assigned area (and thus the area inside which she had permission to exercise her authority) by some 80-100 ft and, aided by another guard, stopped the MP and dragged him along, into the club (this was during the day, late summer last year) and held him there, handcuffed, until the police arrived.

He had been a victim of hate mail and death threats in the recent past, so when he was assaulted by the guard, he reacted violently and fought back, struggling as much as he could, thinking he was being kidnapped. Remember that he also had his young child with him in a stroller, and the stroller was taken away from him during the struggle, which must've been extremely stressful and frightening.

To further complicate the matter, he had been to a wine tasting event earlier that day, which made him smell of alcohol, though he hadn't had more than the equivalent of half a glass of wine to drink, which hardly makes someone even slightly drunk. He demanded to be breath tested when the police arrived, but was told that they're only allowed to use that test on drivers.

The end result was that the guard was found to have exceeded her authority, which is a good thing, but unfortunately, there are many more like her, poised to strike out at people who don't fit into their twisted view of the world.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_56314.html

that story never ceases to amaze me - we want to outsmart the criminals right

Just read the story in the Muskegon Chronicle.

Yes!!!

Anyone that hasn't read it should. The url is now http://www.mlive.com/news/muchronicle/index.ssf?/base/news-6/1115217920268190.xml

For the people living in fantasyland that think law enforcement should do nothing to stop crime here's a quote from the same article - "A similar incident in the Grand Rapids area resulted in the death Saturday of an 81-year-old shopper."

I didn't read anyone being concerned about the lasting effects of being robbed on the 83 year old victim. She's probably forgotten about it already.

Again, you're ignoring the fact that an electroshock weapon is believed by the police officer to be harmless to the victim. This effectively means they're likely to use it as a "just in case" measure, regardless of how the person reacts.


How many of these "trigger happy" cops do you know in this country half a world away from your country? I hate cops as much as the next guy but from what I've seen, most of them would try throwing my ass on the ground and cuffing me first, if I violently resist, then they get another cop. Then if I keep resisting, they'll probably use a taser.
My question is, what is my reason for being arrested? And even if I were unfairly arrested, what would be the point of resisting when I know I can't get away or even if I do, it'll just make matters worse?

most of them would try throwing my ass on the ground and cuffing me first, if I violently resist, then they get another cop. Then if I keep resisting, they'll probably use a taser.
You've never heard of police misconduct, unnecessary use of force, or mistakes in judgment?

Visit Chicago sometime, but don't be a young black male driving a nice car or riding a new expensive bicycle.
Having a cell phone in your hand (not speaking in it) in the proximity of police has been lethal.
And don't be walking on a public sidewalk in a group of young men. (Used to be they couldn't merely stand together on a public corner; inconveniently held to be unconstitutional.)
Or don't be peaceably protesting any war even if you are elderly and infirm...certainly not near an elected official or party convention, and in no case attempt to take a visible route from a high retail district to a public plaza.

Police never are too hasty to use potentially-lethal force.



My question is, what is my reason for being arrested? And even if I were unfairly arrested, what would be the point of resisting when I know I can't get away or even if I do, it'll just make matters worse?
Great theory, which fully explains why nobody ever runs while surrounded by armed police officers, and no one ever tries to escape by high-speed chase (despite media aircraft following). Nobody ever tries to resist arrest--or even unlawful arrest--because in high stress situations everybody is rational, cool and calculated--including the police with the heat.

Great theory, which fully explains why nobody ever runs while surrounded by armed police officers, and no one ever tries to escape by high-speed chase (despite media aircraft following). Nobody ever tries to resist arrest--or even unlawful arrest--because in high stress situations everybody is rational, cool and calculated--including the police with the heat.

Your chicago cops must be a lot more violent than NYC cops. Cause around here, they'll mace you or taser you if you resist arrest or they might shoot you if you point your wallet at them, but 99% of the time, they usually tackle you to the ground and twist your arm behind your back. I'm not denying that cops unjustly use force sometimes, you're the one who seems to be making that mistake. The other mistake you're making is assuming EVERY cop is trigger happy. This is the same prejudice that people have of CM, where some people think EVERY bicyclist should be off the road because they ride too slow and dangerously. It works both ways, I see and know a lot of cops who are scum of the earth but there are also a lot of well meaning cops who just want to help. Except it's always nice to focus on the bad cops and it's always nice to focus on the bad cyclists and BAN THEM FROM THE ROADS.

If a cop pulls me over, I'm not stupid enough to gas it and peel off. If you are, then what do you expect the cops to do? Cause we know how smart cops are and how they just magically understand that you're running away because you're innocent, not because you have a 10 kilo brick in your glove compartment. Honestly, what do you expect the cops to do?

You'd think. You'd also think that the odds of a police officer tasering a 6 year old is extremely low. Not low enough.

What was that kid doing? If he were twirling around with a box cutter, I'd either taser him or clobber him with a mattress than risk getting slashed.

Lets make everyone happy. Take away the guns and tasers. Instead we will arm each cop with an epilady.

Shaved on the run...

because you have a 10 kilo brick in your glove compartment.


:eek: Damn, that's one big mofo glove compartment! 22 pounds of blow... laced with lead?

Shaved on the run...


Not me... I'd rather be tazered. Epilady hurts like hell!

Cripes, Some live in a fantasy world. Get some damm reality in you life. Life is full of RISKS every day. Some of the risks are unsolvable. 10% or more of the police should not be carrying a weapon or be a sworn officer, for one reason or another. Same for 10% of the Truck Drivers, Lawyers, MD's (surgeons ohh thats scary), Nurses, got a doggie, is your vet competent? is your Pharamasist an addict, how about them polititions, how about your accountant, or your general contractor....your significant other. How about the CEO or CFO of the company you have stock in or handles you pension. Even your LBS owner or the guy working on yo bike. Ohhh,.... Clergy and Teachers. How do you screen for pedaiphelia? Attack electrodes and sensors and show pictures of little kids. Good grief...I see the ACLU here.



Sorry to say that this 10% or so make it tough for the other 90%. I hear rants about this and that concerning the Police. Fact is 90% are good guys and just trying to do a job. It's that 10% in ANY profession or any undertaking that are the problem. IMO the 10% rule varies from group to group, it's just an average. Too bad that sooo many of us are quick to condem a group based on the behavior of 10% ers. Most laws that cost us in many ways are a result of their unintended consequences and are created to protect us from 10%ers. Part of the reason for the grueling training required in many vocations is to weed out the problems. However those who get thru the various screening processes are still about 10%

As for Tasers, Most institutions require potential user be zapped by the unit as part of the training. Incidently, Bicycle Patrol Officers have to be certified and go to "Bike School" prior to hitting the road or path for that matter.

Look out for yourself by adapting a risk managment philosphy. Because of the way I choose to conduct my life the risk of me ever having a problem with the law is very low.

Look out for yourself by adapting a risk managment philosphy. Because of the way I choose to conduct my life the risk of me ever having a problem with the law is very low.

I do just that.
See my earlier post about staying well clear of uniformed people...

Well, wheel doctor, you wrote my reply! Thanks.

In addition, the ocurrences and horror stories alluded to in the previous posts must be relatively isolated incidents, or they would probably not make the news...

According to the CIA, Sweden (about the size of CA) has a population of just over 9,000,000. LA county by itself has a population of 9,871,000. Yes, we have a lot of crime, but somehow we manage to keep the lid on. A well-trained police force is part of the equation.

See my earlier post about staying well clear of uniformed people...

About that post.... So what happens if they notice you're avoiding them? That would look like suspicious behavior, don't you think? Just sayin'....

I've been shocked by battery-operated devices, electric fences and household current and I think I'd take them over a bullet any day. Maybe I'll have some long term effect from all that electrical exposure, but it still sounds better than bein' shot. I got hit by a ricochet while target shooting when I was a kid(don't fill your backstop with rocks, kids). Luckily, the spent round(a .22) hit me in the thigh and fell to the ground, a perfect little mushroom. Didn't even mark my jeans. Talk about shocked, tho.;)

When I was a kid I was taught that the police are the good guys, and I haven't seen anything to change that view. Sure, met a few who were jerks, but as far as I'm concerned, they're the good guys.

I've been hit by a ricocheting BB gun shot. Hurt a bit but did no damage.

Hehe, they wouldn't notice me avoiding them.

Seems like I saw a news report..Boston I think..Police tasered someone about the head area..The person died... are we sure it is non-lethal.