Advocacy & Safety - WTF, cyclist threw grenade at british embassy in Manhattan?

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slvoid
05-11-05, 08:11 PM
What the hell, I just heard on the news that NYPD was looking for a cyclist who was caught on security cameras lobbing the grenades at the british embassy last week. Can anyone confirm this? I haven't been able to find anything on it.

This is the last thing we need, it'll give the city pretty much every reason to get our asses off the streets.


blue_neon
05-12-05, 02:32 AM
Ha! Sorry, but I will be critising your post for the next few sentance: :)

Firstly - Since someone on a bike throws a grenade, that would not make people think that every single bike rider is a terrorist. I really dont think that anyones is gonna give a **ck that he was on a bike, and that they are going to relate it the incodent to a friggen bike. :eek:

Secondly - That is a bit bike racist. Are you saying that if you see a guy wearing a red hat shoot a duck, the whole city is gonna remove the intire population of 'red hatted people' from the commumity? :rolleyes:

I woudln't loose sleep over someone calling you a 'grenade thrower' when you go on your next ride.

khuon
05-12-05, 02:37 AM
Ha! Sorry, but I will be critising your post for the next few sentances:

Firstly - Since someone on a bike throws a grenade, that would not make people think that every single bike rider is a terrorist. I really dont think that anyones is gonna give a **ck that he was on a bike, and that they the incodent to a friggen bike.

Secondly - That is a bit bike racist. Are you saying that if you see a guy wearing a red hat shoot a duck, the whole city is gonna remove the intire population of 'red hatted people' from the commumity? Its like saying that all people who wear turbines on their head are terrorists.

I woudln't loose sleep over someone calling you a 'grenade thrower' when you go on your next ride.

Well... you have to remember the mindset of the easily reactionable US citizen. Back in 2002 during the Washington DC Sniper crisis, police thought for a while that the sniper(s) was using a white panel van. I'm sure you can imagine the chaos that caused.


blue_neon
05-12-05, 02:41 AM
But really...who in there right mind would think that all bike riders are gonna friggen blow up stuff. I mean come on, use a bit of commen sence. Then again,I dont know the 'easily reactionable US citizen'. It certainly wouldn't happen over here.

khuon
05-12-05, 02:45 AM
But really...who in there right mind would think that all bike riders are gonna friggen blow up stuff. I mean come on, use a bit of commen sence. Then again,I dont know the 'easily reactionable US citizen'. It certainly wouldn't happen over here.

Remember the movie Men In Black?


A person is smart; people are dumb panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

blue_neon
05-12-05, 02:47 AM
Remember the movie Men In Black?

hehe. So answer this for me...is NY filled with People or Persons?

khuon
05-12-05, 02:52 AM
hehe. So answer this for me...is NY filled with People or Persons?

It's a big city. ;) And yes, I am blowing this out of proportion. The majority of people will probably not perform that type of association between terrorists and cyclists but a few might. And sometimes it only takes a select few to make it even more troublesome than a large mass.

nycm'er
05-12-05, 05:39 AM
Persons staff the NYPD, and they seem to always react violently or stupidly to stimuli. Look it up Blue Neon, it has been documented, I find Slvoid's fear to be quite rational.

slvoid
05-12-05, 05:45 AM
I woudln't loose sleep over someone calling you a 'grenade thrower' when you go on your next ride.

Oh that's not what I'm worried about.
I'm worried about the knee jerk reactions that the entire NYPD and 50 councilmen/women just had. All this "licensing" and "documenting" cyclist talk they've had... give them enough reason and they might actually do it.

Juha
05-12-05, 07:14 AM
Wow, if they're just looking for "a cyclist" (no further description) it has to be a joke. Maybe some newspaper could find out whether he was wearing a helmet or not... that is about as relevant bit of information as his means of transportation.

--J

brokenrobot
05-12-05, 07:37 AM
But really...who in there right mind would think that all bike riders are gonna friggen blow up stuff. I mean come on, use a bit of commen sence. Then again,I dont know the 'easily reactionable US citizen'. It certainly wouldn't happen over here.

This is America - we don't *do* common sense.

slvoid
05-12-05, 08:59 AM
This is America - we don't *do* common sense.

Reminds me of the line Whistler gave to the NSA at the end of Sneakers

Whistler: I want peace on earth and good will towards men.
James Earl Jones: We are the united states government, we don't do that kind of thing.

slagjumper
05-12-05, 09:35 AM
NPR reported that the security cameras show 2 poeple and a bicyclist that went past the area around the time of the blast. Authorities wanted to talk to them to see what they might have seen.

By the way I think bikers would be a great asset to anti-terrorism. The government could pay bike commandos to simply ride the 25k miles of oil / fuel distribution pipelines and radio in reports.

By the way Good Sense is not common. So dont use common sense.

LittleBigMan
05-12-05, 09:41 AM
Ha! Sorry, but I will be critising your post for the next few sentance: :)

Firstly - Since someone on a bike throws a grenade, that would not make people think that every single bike rider is a terrorist. I really dont think that anyones is gonna give a **ck that he was on a bike, and that they are going to relate it the incodent to a friggen bike. :eek:

Secondly - That is a bit bike racist. Are you saying that if you see a guy wearing a red hat shoot a duck, the whole city is gonna remove the intire population of 'red hatted people' from the commumity? :rolleyes:

I woudln't loose sleep over someone calling you a 'grenade thrower' when you go on your next ride.
I can see it from both sides. I can agree with your reasoning, Blue Neon, but I also remember all too clearly that bicycles are banned from the local Kroger parking lot. It had to do with kids on bikes, but somehow security personnel had a hard time distinguishing 40-something shoppers (me) from kids.

rs_woods
05-12-05, 11:24 AM
Isn't the NYC government and police force in a really anti-bike mood lately? I think that is why this is a big deal, and would not be surprised if they staged this incident themselves just to have more reasons to harass cyclists.

khuon
05-12-05, 04:05 PM
would not be surprised if they staged this incident themselves just to have more reasons to harass cyclists.

That might be taking it a little far. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go refuel my black Sikorsky.

Brian
05-12-05, 04:15 PM
But really...who in there right mind would think that all bike riders are gonna friggen blow up stuff. I mean come on, use a bit of commen sence. Then again,I dont know the 'easily reactionable US citizen'. It certainly wouldn't happen over here.

Over here a bike is to handbag and ATM robberies what the WRX is to jewellery store robberies...

caloso
05-12-05, 04:15 PM
Now see, I was going to criticize this post for misidentifying the place. This was at the British Consulate in New York. The British Embassy is in Washington, D.C.

And yes, of course, the ATF is working with MI-6, under the auspices of the Counsels of Zion and the Masons, in a huge anti-bike conspiracy. It was all in last month's issue of the Tin Foil Hat Newsletter.

rs_woods
05-12-05, 04:18 PM
we must get our tin foil hats in the same place, caloso. ;)

come on now pals, would you be surprised under these circumstances. i wouldn't! not to say that the conspiracy is realistic, but i just wouldn't be surprised.

Brian
05-12-05, 04:21 PM
Tin foil is very hard to find. Does aluminium (or aluminum for Yanks) still work?

khuon
05-12-05, 04:35 PM
Tin foil is very hard to find. Does aluminium (or aluminum for Yanks) still work?

It should work pretty well. My wheels have aluminum spokes and so I just wear those on top of my head. :D

skanking biker
05-12-05, 04:48 PM
Oh that's not what I'm worried about.
I'm worried about the knee jerk reactions that the entire NYPD and 50 councilmen/women just had. All this "licensing" and "documenting" cyclist talk they've had... give them enough reason and they might actually do it.


Oh but come on!---all that liscensing, documentation and other forms of government instrusion will keep us "safe." isnt that what we really want--for everyone to nice, safe and secure and have our big nanny goverment keep us warm and sound with its security blanket of laws and regulations? Think of the children. We must keep them safe.

khuon
05-12-05, 04:49 PM
Think of the children. We must keep them safe.

Wouldn't locking up your children in a safe be considered child-abuse? :D

skanking biker
05-12-05, 04:51 PM
Ha! Sorry, but I will be critising your post for the next few sentance: :)

Firstly - Since someone on a bike throws a grenade, that would not make people think that every single bike rider is a terrorist. I really dont think that anyones is gonna give a **ck that he was on a bike, and that they are going to relate it the incodent to a friggen bike. :eek:

Secondly - That is a bit bike racist. Are you saying that if you see a guy wearing a red hat shoot a duck, the whole city is gonna remove the intire population of 'red hatted people' from the commumity? :rolleyes:

I woudln't loose sleep over someone calling you a 'grenade thrower' when you go on your next ride.


WTF is "bike racist"???????

Last time i checked the anti-cycle crowd seemed to be equal opportunity A-holes.--At least from the post of the CM members here--the cops seem to be jerks to everyoen on a bike out there. I think you meant "judgmental" "stereotyping" or "generalizing."

khuon
05-12-05, 04:56 PM
WTF is "bike racist"???????

Aren't these guys "bike racist"? :D

http://www.world-cup-cycling.org/coupe-du-monde/images/peloton-rona_lge.jpg

webist
05-12-05, 05:15 PM
Aren't these guys "bike racist"? :D

http://www.world-cup-cycling.org/coupe-du-monde/images/peloton-rona_lge.jpg

The correct term is "Racologist" :D

skanking biker
05-12-05, 05:18 PM
No--that would be someone who studies racing


---If we want to perpetuate the victim culture and create a new-anti-bike pejorative---how about bikophobic?????????

khuon
05-12-05, 05:32 PM
If we want to perpetuate the victim culture and create a new-anti-bike pejorative---how about bikophobic?????????

I think "cyclophobic" rolls off the tongue better... or "ciclophobic" if you want to sound pretentious. :D

blue_neon
05-12-05, 05:40 PM
WTF is "bike racist"???????

Last time i checked the anti-cycle crowd seemed to be equal opportunity A-holes.--At least from the post of the CM members here--the cops seem to be jerks to everyoen on a bike out there. I think you meant "judgmental" "stereotyping" or "generalizing."

Obiously I have no idea how people feel about bikes over there :eek:. But I guess if there were more then one incodent of 'bikers' causing problems, the community would probably be more against them.

What I mean by 'bike racist' is that people are racist to bikes. Probably the best way to describe it is 'stereotypes'. I think people need to stop realating all bikers toghther, and have a decent look at each situation seperatley. Although i'm sure there's been lots of 'bike trouble' around, and that dosn't help. People hate bikers in Melbourne too, but they dont seem to 'bike racist' ;)

skanking biker
05-12-05, 05:43 PM
Still-how can one be "racist to bikes." What do bikes have to do with racism? Unless everyone riding a bike over there is a certain skin color, i fail to see how your choice of words is appropriate.

blue_neon
05-12-05, 05:48 PM
Ok mabe 'Bike Racist' wasn't such a great word. What I ment to say is that If one 'biker' does something, people can get 'racist' to the whole community or 'bikers'. So that any 'biker' will be taken off the street for example. Just like everyone hating bikes becasue there 'bikes'. That sort of comes under the term of bike racist....o

Anyway i'll shutup now, going for a ride.

MERTON
05-12-05, 06:51 PM
car drivers have done far more bombing damage to things than cyclists. :p

MERTON
05-12-05, 06:52 PM
Still-how can one be "racist to bikes." What do bikes have to do with racism? Unless everyone riding a bike over there is a certain skin color, i fail to see how your choice of words is appropriate.


bikes are another race! and they deserve your respect! you horrible horrible person! aahh!! :eek:

MERTON
05-12-05, 06:53 PM
Aren't these guys "bike racist"? :D

http://www.world-cup-cycling.org/coupe-du-monde/images/peloton-rona_lge.jpg


they look like beer cans sorta... i dont' know why...

spine of hortus
05-12-05, 07:57 PM
WTF is "bike racist"???????

Last time i checked the anti-cycle crowd seemed to be equal opportunity A-holes.--At least from the post of the CM members here--the cops seem to be jerks to everyoen on a bike out there. I think you meant "judgmental" "stereotyping" or "generalizing."


good lord looking at your post it seems like you live in a whole new world, riding since i was a kid ive yet to encounter some of the things you guys talk about. ive never even had a motorist honk at me and i ride in traffick anytime i commute by bike

ch0mb0
05-13-05, 12:23 AM
I wanna see these "security camera pictures"

Kokoro
05-13-05, 05:12 AM
I think "cyclophobic" rolls off the tongue better... or "ciclophobic" if you want to sound pretentious. :D

Or if you make it velophobic that will insure that it gets included in trivia questions like:

If you are a velophobe then what are you afraid of?

a)Ancient scrolls.
b)People that pronounce yellow with a V sound.
c) bicycles.