Foo - What is your race?

:) I meant, what continent did your ancestors come from :)

Just want to do a small survey :) hope you guys don't mind

what continent did your ancestors come from...


I believe the current theory of Palaeoanthropologists is that we all came from Africa around Ethiopia and Kenya. So I guess this question is pointless.

Well looking at my brother-n-law I swear his ancestors came from deep in the jungle and swing from vines.

My race - Tour de France.

My ancestors - left Europe in 1640.

Mostly Norweigen and German...

Italian, German, Irish, Norwegian.

<---mutt

Russian, Serbian, English and Irish. I didn't see a category for that. How about adding "Heinz 57".

My dad was aluminum and my mom was carbon fiber... that's how I ended up with a carbon fork and seat stays with an aluminum frame.

btw, this topic should be in the Foo forum.

I voted Asian but really I'm still waiting for the mothership to come pick me up and return me back home. :D

dumb thread...

The point is, I just want find out the diversity in cycling.
And yes, this is a dumb thread just like a lot of dumb surveys out there, and now I know why I still love riding with mountain bikers than roadies

BTW, there is no stupid questions, just stupid answers :)

English, Irish, Welsh, Dutch, German, Danish. Yes - I am a true mutt!

Italian - Second Generation AMERICAN

My race - Tour de France.

My ancestors - left Europe in 1640.

Sounds like one of those commercials :D

My race - Tour de France.

My deoderant- the new gillette blah blah blah :)

Alpha Centurian.

australopithecus

Im a mutt, mix of WTF/OMG/LOLOROFL.

silly threads get silly answers :p

I'm Polish, German, Dutch, English, Irish, Iranian, Vietnamese, Russian and Bolivian.

My dad was aluminum and my mom was carbon fiber... that's how I ended up with a carbon fork and seat stays with an aluminum frame.

btw, this topic should be in the Foo forum.


One of my kind... :beer:

btw, this topic should be in the Foo forum.

Agreed. Moving to Foo.

I r teh British Canadian. What a combo.

Russian and Eastern European (Polish, Czech, etc).

rapidcarbon,

I'm afraid you're going to get some flack from the politically correct crowd. "How dare you mention race!".

Anyway, I've only scratched the surface of my ancestry but for sure there is lineage going back to Greece, France, England, Ireland, Miami Indian from the Northeast US. Probably a few others for sure that I'm forgetting off the top of my head.

The really interesting thing is that I've traced only a fraction of the lines back even a few generations. Chances are good that someone with more than a couple of generations in this melting pot has a pretty good mix of ethnology.

Observed Trials. Though more of a ballet than a race.

French mostly. My fathers born and raised there, and my great grand parents on the moms side is from France as well.

My mom is/was from Hong Kong and my dad came from some small village in mainland china.

My mom moved to the US when she was 12 and my dad moved to the US when he was 4.

soooo, I'm chinese.

rapidcarbon,

I'm afraid you're going to get some flack from the politically correct crowd. "How dare you mention race!".

no... "why mention race?" and "what do you mean by race?" the problem is that the category is not very well defined. according to the choice of answers, he doesn't seem to know whether he means race in genetic, cultural or geographic terms. is it ethnicity, language or location? does "north american" mean aboriginal? if so, does he seriously mean to suggest that all of the aboriginal peoples of north america are of the same race? would the inuit of canada and the inuit of siberia be of different races [north american and asian], what about the inuit of greenland, are they europeans?

is a jewish parisian a european or an asian? even though his ancestors may have been in france for 1000 years, doesn't he trace his descent to the middle east? what about a spanish-speaking peruvian named fujimori [like the former peruvian president]?

the whole of idea of race is ridiculous.

The humand race is actually a species, and there are 5 sub-species being Caucasoid, Congoid, Capoid, Australoid, and Mongoloid.

Each subspecies has a number of 'races':

I. Capoid or Khoisanid Subspecies of southern Africa
A. Khoid (Hottentot) race
B. Sanid (Bushmen) race

II. Congoid Subspecies of sub-Saharan Africa
A. Central Congoid race (Geographic center and origin in the Congo river basin)
1. Palaecongoid subrace (the Congo river basin: Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Congo, Angola)
2. Sudanid subrace (western Africa: Niger, Mali, Senegal, Guinea)
3. Nilotid subrace (southern Sudan; the ancient Nubians were of this subrace)
4. Kafrid or Bantid subrace (east and south Africa: Kenya, Tanzania, Mozambique, Natal)
B. Bambutid race (African Pygmies)
C. Aethiopid race (Ethiopia, Somalia; hybridized with Caucasoids)

III. Caucasoid or Europid Subspecies (Geographic distribution centered in the Caucasus mountains)
A. Mediterranid race
1. West Mediterranean or Iberid subrace (Spain, Portugal, Corsica, Sardinia, and coastal areas of Morocco and Tunisia; the Atlanto-Mediterranean peoples who expanded over much of the Atlantic coastal regions of Europe during the Mesolithic period were a branch of this subrace)
2. East Mediterranean or Pontid subrace (Black Sea coast of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria; Aegean coasts of Greece and Turkey)
3. Dinaricized Mediterraneans (Residual mixed types resulting from the blending of Mediterranids with Dinarics, Alpines or Armenids; not a unified type, has much regional variation; predominant element [over 60%] in Sicily and southern Italy, principal element in Turkey [35%], important element in western Syria, Lebanon and central Italy, common in northern Italy. The ancient Cappadocian Mediterranean subrace of Anatolia was dinaricized during the Bronze Age [second millennium B.C.] and is a major contributor to this type in modern Turkey.)
4. South Mediterranean or Saharid subrace (predominant in Algeria and Libya, important in Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt)
5. Orientalid or Arabid subrace (predominant in Arabia, major element from Egypt to Syria, primary in northern Sudan, important in Iraq, predominant element among the Oriental Jews)
B. Dinaric race (predominant in western Balkans [Dinaric Mountains] and northern Italy, important in the Czech Republic, eastern and southern Switzerland, western Austria and eastern Ukraine)
C. Alpine race (predominant element in Luxembourg, primary in Bavaria and Bohemia, important in France, Hungary, eastern and southern Switzerland)
D. Ladogan race (named after Lake Ladoga; indigenous to Russia; includes Lappish subrace of arctic Europe)
E. Nordish or Northern European race (various subraces in the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Netherlands and Belgium; predominant element in Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Finland and the Baltic States; majority in Austria and Russia; minority in France, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary; outlined in detail in The Nordish Race)
F. Armenid race (predominant element in Armenia, common in Syria, Lebanon and northern Iraq, primary element among the Ashkenazic Jews)
G. Turanid race (partially hybridized with Mongoloids; predominant element in Kazakhstan.; common in Hungary and Turkey)
H. Irano-Afghan race (predominant in Iran and Afghanistan, primary element in Iraq, common [25%] in Turkey)
I. Indic or Nordindid race (Pakistan and northern India)
J. Dravidic race (India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka [Ceylon]; ancient stabilized Indic-Veddoid [Australoid] blend)

IV. Australoid Subspecies
A. Veddoid race (remnant Australoid population in central and southern India)
B. Negritos (remnants in Malaysia and the Philippines)
C. Melanesian race (New Guinea, Papua, Solomon Islands)
D. Australian-Tasmanian race (Australian Aborigines)

V. Mongoloid Subspecies
A. Northeast Asian race (various subraces in China, Manchuria, Korea and Japan)
B. Southeast Asian race (various subraces in Indochina, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines, some partly hybridized with Australoids)
C. Micronesian-Polynesian race (hybridized with Australoids)
D. Ainuid race (remnants of aboriginal population in northern Japan)
E. Tungid race (Mongolia and Siberia, Eskimos)
F. Amerindian race (American Indians; various subraces)


I myself am probably closest to III E.

Forget who did this:

The Beauty of Grey

the perception that divides you from him
is a lie
for some reason you never asked why
this is not a black and white world
you can't afford to believe in your side
this is not a black and white world
to be alive
I say that the colors must swirl
and I believe
that maybe today
we will all get to appreciate
the beauty of gray

does "north american" mean aboriginal? if so, does he seriously mean to suggest that all of the aboriginal peoples of north america are of the same race?

From the looks of the voting, either we have several American Indian cyclists on the board, or there is some confusion on that point.

My earliest line 'crossed the pond' in 1633, just in time to work as domestics for the Pilgrims ;)

I still figure my 'ethnicity' is Anglo-Euro white-trash though.

There is only ONE human race. Within that single race, there are a lot of meaningless, superficial, but charming variety. But, we are all members of the African race. DNA evidence proves conclusively that every living human outside of Africa is descended from a small group of people who left Africa just 60,000 years ago...a "blink of the eye" in the billions of years of history of our planet.

And, DNA history shows that the stuff your grandma told you about your family history often is NOT correct. DNA showed that the majority of "African-Americans" whose families lived in the USA before the USA have a substantial DNA contribution from Europe. And, that a significant number of "White Anglos" whose family lived in the "Old South" before the Civil War have DNA from west Africa...they are the decendants of light skinned former slaves who discovered how much easier life was if folks thought they were "white".

Most people whose families have been in the USA for more than a century have ethnic backgrounds that are so complex that you would need a computer program to figure it out. And, "ethnic purity" is equally elusive around the world.

When the Russian army occupied East Germany in 1945, most young German males were shipped to concentration camps. Russian soldiers treated the women of Germany as their personal amusements for several years. The majority of children born in East Germany from 1946 to 1948 or so had Russian fathers. The French army fathered over a million children during its century of oppression in Viet-Nam. The American army left behind over 100,000 American children in South Viet-Nam. And, that same sort of thing has gone on for the entire 60,000 years since we humans left our motherland in Africa. "Ethnic Purity" is a myth.

One more surprising (NOT surprising?) result from DNA tests. The State of Florida was having a tough time collecting child support from men who had been divorced. A lot of the men said "I don't want to pay, because I don't think the kid is really mine". So, the State did DNA tests. Oops. About a fourth of kids born during marriages in Florida that ended in divorce turned out NOT to be the biological child of the husband.

However, Florida was NOT gonna deprive kids of financial support. So, the Courts held that husbands were "on the hook" for child support for kids born during a marriage regardless of who the DNA donor was. And, currently, about a fifth of the children born in the USA have NO name for a father listed on the birth certificate. Obviously, when figuring out "who is my Daddy" is so difficult, tracing our ancestors through birth certificates and family documents is not very reliable. Don't "bet the farm" that you REALLY know who your forebearers were.

So, what is a typical American's "racial or ethnic" background? Well, short of doing a lot of DNA testing, "Heinz 57" is a good guess.

Another mutt: German and Irish on my mothers side and English, Polish, Romanian and Russian on my fathers side.

The humand race is actually a species, and there are 5 sub-species being Caucasoid, Congoid, Capoid, Australoid, and Mongoloid.

Each subspecies has a number of 'races':

I. Capoid or Khoisanid Subspecies of southern Africa
A. Khoid (Hottentot) race
B. Sanid (Bushmen) race

II. Congoid Subspecies of sub-Saharan Africa
A. Central Congoid race (Geographic center and origin in the Congo river basin)
1. Palaecongoid subrace (the Congo river basin: Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Congo, Angola)
2. Sudanid subrace (western Africa: Niger, Mali, Senegal, Guinea)
3. Nilotid subrace (southern Sudan; the ancient Nubians were of this subrace)
4. Kafrid or Bantid subrace (east and south Africa: Kenya, Tanzania, Mozambique, Natal)
B. Bambutid race (African Pygmies)
C. Aethiopid race (Ethiopia, Somalia; hybridized with Caucasoids)

III. Caucasoid or Europid Subspecies (Geographic distribution centered in the Caucasus mountains)
A. Mediterranid race
1. West Mediterranean or Iberid subrace (Spain, Portugal, Corsica, Sardinia, and coastal areas of Morocco and Tunisia; the Atlanto-Mediterranean peoples who expanded over much of the Atlantic coastal regions of Europe during the Mesolithic period were a branch of this subrace)
2. East Mediterranean or Pontid subrace (Black Sea coast of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria; Aegean coasts of Greece and Turkey)
3. Dinaricized Mediterraneans (Residual mixed types resulting from the blending of Mediterranids with Dinarics, Alpines or Armenids; not a unified type, has much regional variation; predominant element [over 60%] in Sicily and southern Italy, principal element in Turkey [35%], important element in western Syria, Lebanon and central Italy, common in northern Italy. The ancient Cappadocian Mediterranean subrace of Anatolia was dinaricized during the Bronze Age [second millennium B.C.] and is a major contributor to this type in modern Turkey.)
4. South Mediterranean or Saharid subrace (predominant in Algeria and Libya, important in Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt)
5. Orientalid or Arabid subrace (predominant in Arabia, major element from Egypt to Syria, primary in northern Sudan, important in Iraq, predominant element among the Oriental Jews)
B. Dinaric race (predominant in western Balkans [Dinaric Mountains] and northern Italy, important in the Czech Republic, eastern and southern Switzerland, western Austria and eastern Ukraine)
C. Alpine race (predominant element in Luxembourg, primary in Bavaria and Bohemia, important in France, Hungary, eastern and southern Switzerland)
D. Ladogan race (named after Lake Ladoga; indigenous to Russia; includes Lappish subrace of arctic Europe)
E. Nordish or Northern European race (various subraces in the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Netherlands and Belgium; predominant element in Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Finland and the Baltic States; majority in Austria and Russia; minority in France, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary; outlined in detail in The Nordish Race)
F. Armenid race (predominant element in Armenia, common in Syria, Lebanon and northern Iraq, primary element among the Ashkenazic Jews)
G. Turanid race (partially hybridized with Mongoloids; predominant element in Kazakhstan.; common in Hungary and Turkey)
H. Irano-Afghan race (predominant in Iran and Afghanistan, primary element in Iraq, common [25%] in Turkey)
I. Indic or Nordindid race (Pakistan and northern India)
J. Dravidic race (India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka [Ceylon]; ancient stabilized Indic-Veddoid [Australoid] blend)

IV. Australoid Subspecies
A. Veddoid race (remnant Australoid population in central and southern India)
B. Negritos (remnants in Malaysia and the Philippines)
C. Melanesian race (New Guinea, Papua, Solomon Islands)
D. Australian-Tasmanian race (Australian Aborigines)

V. Mongoloid Subspecies
A. Northeast Asian race (various subraces in China, Manchuria, Korea and Japan)
B. Southeast Asian race (various subraces in Indochina, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines, some partly hybridized with Australoids)
C. Micronesian-Polynesian race (hybridized with Australoids)
D. Ainuid race (remnants of aboriginal population in northern Japan)
E. Tungid race (Mongolia and Siberia, Eskimos)
F. Amerindian race (American Indians; various subraces)


I myself am probably closest to III E.

Fascinating...can you quote your source? Althought I know very lttile about this kinda stuff, I always thought there were 3 human subspecies, Caucasiod, Mongoloid and Negroid...I personally would have placed Australoids, Capoids and Micronesian-Polynesian (from the Mongoloid subspecies) race under Negroids...it appears that's an over simplification. Interesting.

BTW, III E here too.

Fascinating...can you quote your source? Althought I know very lttile about this kinda stuff, I always thought there were 3 human subspecies, Caucasiod, Mongoloid and Negroid...I personally would have placed Australoids, Capoids and Micronesian-Polynesian (from the Mongoloid subspecies) race under Negroids...it appears that's an over simplification. Interesting.

BTW, III E here too.


http://www.racialcompact.com/racesofhumanity.html


If you're interested in this sort of stuff I can recommend the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond.

Hmm, I feel type III D really belongs in V instead.
They're certainly a mongoloid type, and their culture and language is believed to be related to other mongoloid types, even far down in South America.
I find it hard to believe they wouldn't belong to the same "sub-species"...

Now, I'm not in the US or any other place where mixed ethicity is common, but I'll post anyway. In fact, as far as my relatives' genealogy reaches, which is down to the late middle ages, all my ancestors have lived within roughly 100 miles from where I live now. Very little migration happened in my region a thousand years ago, so it's a pretty safe bet virtually all my ancestors (as far back as is reasonable to look) are "from here". And that type is III E in that list.

Hmm, I feel type III D really belongs in V instead.
They're certainly a mongoloid type, and their culture and language is believed to be related to other mongoloid types, even far down in South America.
I find it hard to believe they wouldn't belong to the same "sub-species"...

Now, I'm not in the US or any other place where mixed ethicity is common, but I'll post anyway. In fact, as far as my relatives' genealogy reaches, which is down to the late middle ages, all my ancestors have lived within roughly 100 miles from where I live now. Very little migration happened in my region a thousand years ago, so it's a pretty safe bet virtually all my ancestors (as far back as is reasonable to look) are "from here". And that type is III E in that list.


I think the most ethnically 'pure' place is Iceland. I'm pretty sure the most Icelanders can trace their descent back to a single ancestor who lived about 700 years ago. They certainly look very similar.

To a single ancestor?
An Icelandic "Eve"?
Immaculate conception?

Actually, Iceland isn't that "pure". There are elements in there from other types.
And Iceland was settled by a fairly large number of people, so it's not like they all come from a single family or two...
Finally, Iceland was settled around 1200 years ago, not 700.

So why wasn't the multiple choice option used for this poll?

Because the correct answer is African?

To a single ancestor?
An Icelandic "Eve"?
Immaculate conception?

Actually, Iceland isn't that "pure". There are elements in there from other types.
And Iceland was settled by a fairly large number of people, so it's not like they all come from a single family or two...
Finally, Iceland was settled around 1200 years ago, not 700.


About 94% of Iceland's population are descended from Norse/Celtic settlers.

The Black Death struck Iceland in 1402 and this along with earlier catastrophes severely diminished its population (smallpox have a fairly severe effect 300 years later as well.) Allied to the very limited immigration Iceland's population is fairly 'pure'.


I never said that Iceland was settled 700 years ago only that the 'ancestor' lived then.

If it isn't that 'pure' as you contend can you tell me anywhere else that is more 'pure'?


Please click on the link below for further information on Iceland's genetic 'purity'.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_1998_Dec/ai_53268610

German, Irish, English, Welsh, and apparently some distant French mixed in there also.

My mom is/was from Hong Kong and my dad came from some small village in mainland china.

My mom moved to the US when she was 12 and my dad moved to the US when he was 4.

soooo, I'm chinese.

No nation is "immune" from human mobility and human history. I met a woman who was born in the liberated zone of China on Taiwan. So, she must be "Chinese", right? She was almost six feet tall and had rather "Western" features. It turned out that her father served in the Japanese army occupation of Taiwan that lasted until 1946. After Taiwan was liberated from Japan, he chose to stay in Taiwan.

But, her mother was "Chinese", right? Well, her mother was from a city in Manchuria with a large population of people who left Russia in the 1920's. And, her maternal grandfather was born in Moscow. And who knows where HIS grandfather was from. And, Manchuria was a "melting pot" for various groups of people from Outer Mongolia, Inner Mongolia, and Han people from central China.

So, being "Chinese" can be rather "complicated", as is being "Russsian", "Polish", or "Portugese". Although the USA may be the world's most notable "melting pot", few human communities are so isolated as to not share in the diversity of humanity around the globe.

Yeah, I'm a mutt too. But a damn good lookin one! Irish, Welsh, German, Dutch. I usually just say I'm Irish. I look the part, red hair, fair skin, freckles, blue eyes. I was born in Honolulu, HI and I had bright red hair. They called me "fire baby"! Pretty cool.

Forget who did this:

The Beauty of Grey

...

I'm Grey. I stand between the candle and the star. We are Grey. We stand between the darkness... and the light.

No nation is "immune" for human mobility and human history. I met a woman who was born in the liberated zone of China on Taiwan. So, she must be "Chinese", right? She was almost six feet tall and had rather "Western" features. It turned out that her father was part of the Japanese occupation of Taiwan that lasted until 1946, and he stayed on in Taiwan.

So, her mother was "Chinese", right? Well, her mother was from a city in Manchuria with a large population of people who left Russia in the 1920's. And, her maternal grandfather was born in Moscow. And who knows where HIS grandfather was from.

Although the USA may be the world's most notable "melting pot", not many human communities are so isolated as to not share in the diversity of humanity around the globe.

Was she hot...? :D

If you are talking to me, I refuse to tell you if my mom is "hot"...

alanbikehouston, as far as I know my entire family is from china. They never immigrated from another country(I'm excluding all the stuff we have been discussing. The evolution of people from Africa and all that) and the family tree shows only marriage to other chinese.

So as far as I know, I'm "pure" chinese.

edit: although maybe I'm a bit mexican/spanish? My grandfather(whom i have never met) was born in Mexico.

Get it straight people. Our race does not matter. The one that matters is the race that will come to our planet with a gigantic battlefleet, enslave us all and give us names ending with a "y" or "ie".


We'll make great pets.

:D

I hope they give us some of those giant wheels to run on.

Don't wanna get fat ya' know!:D

alanbikehouston, forum*rider - I guess its different to other federated states because of its long history, but i think "chinese" has become quite encompassing a term to fairly refer to anyone with origins of ancestry from mainland china, including people from taiwan. but point noted - in which case a majority of "chinese" around the world would be of Han ancestry.

for the record Khuon - *I* voted for Kodos.