Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Official approval before i order

So here is the final parts list for my new baby, could you all tell me what you think, concerns, approval: any suggestions for things i should swap out or things that wont work well together?

Frame: Surly Steamroller Frameset 62 cm
Wheel: IRO Wheel Build: Formula Hubs with Aerohead Rims
Cranks: Sugino 75 Crankset with 49t chainring
Cog: EAI 18 teeth
Chain: Wipperman 152
BB: Shiman UN53 68x107
HS: Chris King Threadless
Post: Kalloy Aluminum 27.2x300mm
Stem: Kalloy Uno 100mm (possibly nitto Usgx instead)
Bars: Nitto B123 Chro-mo
Seat: While Selle Italia Turbo

thanks guys...im not gonna order till i get your seal of approval..sor hurry hurry

sounds sweet!
the only nits i have are kalloy parts, (and that's only 'cause i'm a label *****) and the 49x18; it might make more sense to go with a smaller chainring/cog combo so you have more room to go up or down.

caveat: the thing about the cog/chainring combo is a gut feeling only, and the gut in question is currently playing host to a couple of gin and tonics :D

Where are you getting the saddle from?

i picked it up from nashbar a few months back and put it away

Gotcha.

Good man. Great saddle.

I thought maybe you'd sourced 'em from the great beyond or something. I'm still in mourning. ;)

hey boston....i edited it, dunno why ebay came out....finger muscle memory i guess

as far as the geraing goes...sugino 7fs only come with a 49 t ring nowadays...and i dont really want to go much steeper than my current 42x16 setup....this is a nice increase in steepness

were it up to me, i'd spend a bit less money on the headset and maybe the crankset and a bit more on the hubs.

if you're planning on riding brakeless or skidding/skipping a lot, hubs (rear hub, at least), cog and lockring are not someplace i'd skimp.

while CK headsets feel fantastic and have some fetish points, they don't feel _that_ much nicer than a properly installed and adjusted $20 tange levin headset. the additional confidence which comes from having a wheel under your ass that you know can take some abuse and potholes is priceless.

in terms of cranks, going from a sugino 75 to a sugino RD can save you around $100. obviously not as nice and not 144 bcd, but how important is a true track crank to you?

headset came on the frame...it was an awesome deal
cranks...i just love the 75s and i know i would regret anything else
as far as hubs...i may actualy be switching for a set of promax...not sure yet, but my inetention is to wait for a phil wood to come up down the road...i just dont feel ready to drop 300 dollars on one wheel

So here is the final parts list for my new baby, could you all tell me what you think, concerns, approval: any suggestions for things i should swap out or things that wont work well together?

Frame: Surly Steamroller Frameset 62 cm
Wheel: IRO Wheel Build: Formula Hubs with Aerohead Rims
Cranks: Sugino 75 Crankset with 49t chainring.. YOU SHOULD GET A 47 OR 46..
Cog: EAI 18 teeth................................GO FOR A 16 OR 17.. BUT GET A FULL RANGE OF THEM.
Chain: Wipperman 152............................NEVER HEARD OF THEM. SO???
BB: Shiman UN53 68x107 ..I ASSUME THIS SAYS SHIMANO..IF SO GET THE CRANK SHIMANO
HS: Chris King Threadless...I DON'T USE THREADLESS SO NO COMMENT.
Post: Kalloy Aluminum 27.2x300mm
Stem: Stem: Kalloy Uno 100mm (possibly nitto Usgx instead)...... MATCH THE PRODUCT SO GO NITTO
Bars: Nitto B123 Chro-mo
Seat: While Selle Italia Turbo

thanks guys...im not gonna order till i get your seal of approval..sor hurry hurry


MY THOUGHTS..

S/F,
CEYA!

cute...what do you think?

sounds sweet!
the only nits i have are kalloy parts, (and that's only 'cause i'm a label *****) and the 49x18; it might make more sense to go with a smaller chainring/cog combo so you have more room to go up or down.


Your bike deserves better than Kalloy- they usually have those chewing gum welds... and, you might consider an open face stem if you ever want to easily swap out your bars.

chewing gum welds... an open face stem

Don't those two have some sort of impregnable, symbiotic relationship?

If you're going to get a UN53 BB I think you should get a 68x110 instead of a 68x107. That way your chainline should only be off by .5mm instead of 1mm, and you can probably put a .5mm spacer on the fixed cup side and have it spot on.
*edit: I just looked at my beater ...it has a Stronglight BB which is essentially a UN53/73 clone... and the fixed cup is on the drive side. So, I guess you should get the 68x107 and put a 1mm spacer on the drive side... And here I thought I was giving good tech advice...

Also, be aware that the bars you list are 25.4 and require a shim for 26.0 stems. The nitto shim is $10, but you can easily make a shim that works as well out of an aluminum can.

ahem....the nitto b123 from IRO is 26 mm clamp...seemes weird...but thats what is says
the stem is open faced...and i am still considering that nitto stem

and for the record....i just decided against the IRO wheels...im gonna stick with my current POS suzue basic until i can decide on a real quality wheelset

and as far as the bb/crank chainline issue goes...thats exactly what i said...but the guy at spicer (gene) said that the 107 gave a near perfect chainline...doent make much sense to me...but hey...im betting he knows more than me on the issue...if anybody can recommend any 109 mm bottom brackets for less than say...50 dollars....i definately want suggestions

thanks again

i have a steamroller 56cm and i love it man. i dont have the nicest hub tho. but i do have a dura ace cog and lock ring and its only a matter of time before i replace the suzue basic. but man i like your settup. i would stick away from the kalloy also tho.

ahem....the nitto b123 from IRO is 26 mm clamp...seemes weird...but thats what is says

going against the "I read it on the internet, it's got to be true" theory, I'd bet money they are 25.4. if that is the case I'd splurge on a real shim for those pretty bars. no beer can shims for me, sir!

and for the record....i just decided against the IRO wheels...im gonna stick with my current POS suzue basic until i can decide on a real quality wheelset

thanks again

ride the suzue's into the ground; if you can manage not to score/pit the races you can pick up a new cone/bearing set for about $15.00 and keep riding them until you strip them.

(you'll probably end up stripping the threads at some point, but hopefully by then you'll have decided what wheelset you want to upgrade to).

hopefully before then...im riding brakeless and i know its just a matter of time before they strip....my current fornt wheel if fine..some no name sealed hub that only needed truing once before i even rode on it ...in a year....i think ill prolly end up getting just a phil rear eventually....maybe after the pain of this money dump wears off

as for the bars...im gonna shoot tony an email for some more details...i dont think im gonna be buying the bars right away so its not such a big deal...i like my nashbar bullhorns for now....but definately ill get a real shim...whats another 10 bucks?

cough! spicercycles$12cheaper. cough! andnarrower. cough!

and as far as the bb/crank chainline issue goes...thats exactly what i said...but the guy at spicer (gene) said that the 107 gave a near perfect chainline...doent make much sense to me...but hey...im betting he knows more than me on the issue...if anybody can recommend any 109 mm bottom brackets for less than say...50 dollars....i definately want suggestions

thanks again

107mm works pretty well because it's not the same taper. You actually end up with something just a bit more than 42mm for a chainline (except, perhaps, you hamfists out there). it works, if only a bit inelegantly.

I'm a bit wary about you riding brakeless with a suzue jr hub in the back. I did so and stripped my dura ace cog right off. That seems to be a pretty common story. Riding that hub into the ground is not recommended!

ha well ive been riding it brakeless for a year....i hope in can last a few more months

so i take it there are no 109 mm bb suggestions?

tlupfer: arent they both square taper? what is the difference between them? will it damage the cranks to pair the two together?

thanks
MAX

ha well ive been riding it brakeless for a year....i hope in can last a few more months

so i take it there are no 109 mm bb suggestions?

tlupfer: arent they both square taper? what is the difference between them? will it damage the cranks to pair the two together?

thanks
MAX


Look at bussinesscycle's info.

http://www.businesscycles.com/tr-refspec.htm#b/b

S/F,
CEYA!

yeah...they have 109 bbs that are way to expensive

You asked for any more suggestions not prices..so now you know what is out there. how much do you plan to spend anyway?

Guys listen up, track gear is expensive always have and always will be due to short and hard to get items. Get what you can and seek used if money is tight.

A little suggestion from someone who biked around more than enough times around the block.

S/F<
CEYA!

i think its silly to put together a whole bike and then throw old wheels on it.. then by the time you get new wheels.. the bike is worn.. get the iros.. they are really nice wheels and if youre going to build a new bike.. then build a new bike..or wait till you have the money to build a whole bike..that's my opinion.. but you asked for it

eh...i also think it is foolish to settle for less than you want....i may have gotten my hands on the promax wheels but if that falls through i will have a phil rear wheel by the end of the summer

i think it's just fine to upgrade as you can afford it. that's what i'm always doing. i have the dream bike in mind, and i'm slowly getting there. for example, i got my Ti rail saddle last week, after riding a crappy one for 4 mos.

Max-

Excluding the seat-post/seat, chain and handlebars, this is my bike. Same frame size and all. The gearing suits me, the CK headset makes me feel snooty, and the wheels are true after nearly a year's worth of daily commutes.

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So here is the final parts list for my new baby, could you all tell me what you think, concerns, approval: any suggestions for things i should swap out or things that wont work well together?

Frame: Surly Steamroller Frameset 62 cm
Wheel: IRO Wheel Build: Formula Hubs with Aerohead Rims
Cranks: Sugino 75 Crankset with 49t chainring
Cog: EAI 18 teeth
Chain: Wipperman 152
BB: Shiman UN53 68x107
HS: Chris King Threadless
Post: Kalloy Aluminum 27.2x300mm
Stem: Kalloy Uno 100mm (possibly nitto Usgx instead)
Bars: Nitto B123 Chro-mo
Seat: While Selle Italia Turbo

thanks guys...im not gonna order till i get your seal of approval..sor hurry hurry

The 107mm bottom bracket is the way to go. I have one, ran Sugino 75's on it before swapping em out for a set of DA's. Chainline measurements were down into the +/- .5 mm.

what wheels and bb are you using?

what wheels and bb are you using?

Shimano UN73, DA hubs, DA cog...........shooting for a 42mm chainline

use the sugino 109.5mm spindle with free ball bearing cups instead of the shimano. the taper is slightly different.

... I'd splurge on a real shim for those pretty bars. no beer can shims for me, sir!

i suggest you read 'zen and art of motorcycle maintenance'.

will the taper difference actually cause damage?

will the taper difference actually cause damage?

No

you will have a better fit using the sugino spindle. better fit equals less flex equals more power transfer. whether or not it will damage your cranks is a case to case basis. but, QBP stopped sending steamroller build kits with shimano BBs for a reason.

what reason would that be.....i not sure u really want to drop the $75 on a bb

because the shimano taper will marr the inside taper of the crank, QBP doesnt condone using shimano on the 75, and even phil wood makes a sugino 75 taper available for the same reason. you hear? PHIL WOOD recognizes difference, shouldnt you?

dont ask for approval if you arent open to suggestions!

i am open to suggestions...i asked for your explanation (which you did not give) now that i have it...i am about half way to the point of spending the extra money on the sugino bb...thank you for the information

if you don't want to spend $$ on a bb
and
if you want spindle/crank compatibillity
and
if you don't mind having to get the same chainrings (135bcd)

then get the miche cranks/bb combo. been said here before. solid.

because the shimano taper will marr the inside taper of the crank, QBP doesnt condone using shimano on the 75, and even phil wood makes a sugino 75 taper available for the same reason. you hear? PHIL WOOD recognizes difference, shouldnt you?

Can you point to the Sugino specific taper on Phil Woods site, I must have missed that one.

bah...trust me the miche vs sugino decision is killing me....bu i just like the sugino look soo much more...i might just be willing to spend the money

get the sugino if you like it more.

chances are, if you get the miche it'll bug you until you get the sugino anyway ;)

tlupfer: arent they both square taper? what is the difference between them? will it damage the cranks to pair the two together?

thanks
MAX

It's been covered pretty well by "legalize_it", but the anecdotal answer is: no, it will work fine. I have done it, and so have a number of other people without incident.

...the other answer (more verbose and pedantic, certainly) is that the tapers aren't the same and therefore your crank won't be as well seated on the spindle which increases the likelihood that something will break/get deformed/make noise/etc.

As an aside, I'm confused that anyone would argue that the two have the same taper, give the same chainline, and have a different spindle length. That doesn't make sense in my world unless the cranks bottom out on the shorter taper... which they don't.

get the sugino if you like it more.

chances are, if you get the miche it'll bug you until you get the sugino anyway ;)

I agree...Personally on my first Fixie it was the same choice...I went with the Miche (because I liked the look of it better), but really you can't go wrong with either...

Just stay away from the MICHE BB if you go Miche (go with a 102campy BB) and stay away from the Shimano BB with the Suginos (for the reasons above).

Good luck on your choices!

you should get a machined front rim so when you realise riding brakeless will leave you with a dented brain, you can add a brake without changing rims....

you guys are awesome...keep the advice coming...im definately going to be looking into some other BBs tonight before i order

because the shimano taper will marr the inside taper of the crank, QBP doesnt condone using shimano on the 75, and even phil wood makes a sugino 75 taper available for the same reason. you hear? PHIL WOOD recognizes difference, shouldnt you?

dont ask for approval if you arent open to suggestions!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all the spindles share the same taper, that being 2°. The differences come from starting width of the taper. Assuming you have enough engagement, there is no risk of marring the taper.