General Cycling Discussion - Bike Nashbar Rant

Recently I attempted to buy a CO2 inflator and cartridges. During the ordering process, they have a box for special instructions. Since they don't have a way to specify how to ship, I wrote in there something to the effect of, "Please send via UPS Ground. DO NOT SEND via USPS." I get my order confirmation, and I waited. A few days later I wrote asking for my tracking number. "Oh, sorry - we have FedEx, we don't have UPS, so we sent it USPS." I've been trying to get them to explain why it was such a leap to think, "oh, she doesn't want it USPS, we don't have UPS, so let's send it FedEx Ground." Apparently I've been taken as a nutjob, because now they are not responding to my emails.

Why the big deal? Because I've had the USPS lose packages on me. Because the USPS doesn't bring packages too large for my mailbox up to my third-floor walkup and leave it at the door - they leave it at the mailbox. The USPS is an issue for me, and I've explained this to Nashbar.

As I promised them, I am no longer buying from them because of this. I am also telling all the cyclists I know - you folk - to not buy from them or from their sister company, Performance Bicycle.

All they have to do is admit they screwed up, and make a change on their website to allow us to be specific about how to ship our packages. That's all I want.

Thanks for listening. Please avoid Nashbar and Performance Bicycle!

So I should stop shopping at Nashbar, which by the way has given me nothing but excellent service, because you say so?

Thanks, I'll take it under advice.

Here's a thought though, next time try the phone. You can make you wishes known and actually hear thier response.

I don' t like Nashbar or Performance either.... support your local LBS because ...it feels good to shop local... I tried to order some gloves from Performance... but they sent me an e-mail stating they no longer carry it... then why was it on the frickin' web site? So much for "hi tech".... I don't do much online as much as I used to. You don't even know if they are even doing much for bike advocacy...

My .02

Keep Cycling

Take some advice from the medical feild, always ask for what you want and NEVER mention what you don't want with th eexception of allergies.

they have a drop down box that lets you specify the shipper, i just used it the other day.

Seems like you set up a no-win scenerio for Nashbar, not that it is any real big deal anyway....

I shop at Nashbar for price, not service. I go to the LBS if I need to be catered to. Honestly.

I have bought tons of stuff from Nashbar. I have never had a problem. They are much better than Performance even though i know they are owned by the same company. I just had a return/exchange a couple weeks back.

Nashbar exchanged my item and had it back to me in less than 1 week.

I don' t like Nashbar or Performance either.... support your local LBS because ...it feels good to shop local... I tried to order some gloves from Performance... but they sent me an e-mail stating they no longer carry it... then why was it on the frickin' web site? So much for "hi tech".... I don't do much online as much as I used to. You don't even know if they are even doing much for bike advocacy...

My .02

Keep Cycling

Well I would love to support my local LBS... in fact any one of the 4 that are within a 10 mile radius. But the usual answer I get is "well we can order that..." Yeah so can I. In fact one shop has been holding a rear wheel for me now for 3 weeks while they "order" a new rim. Good thing I stopped in a second time to check the progress... it went something like this:

"oh, yeah they were out of stock."

"Oh you had my cell number... you could have called... "

"Oh. Well, I'll call them right now."

"OK they will ship the other one in two days."

Great, but what about the 2 weeks I already waited... and the first time I went in and asked... wherein the reply was: "Well, I told the boss to order it... guess he never did..."

So that is one LBS. They are a Performance shop... too bad, 'cause they used to be a great independent. Also too bad, as I can actually walk there from my office. There is another LBS is also a Performance corporate clone. They never have anything in stock either.

The closest Mom and Pop LBS just told me the other day, after many disppointing visits of not finding parts... "well, we really are just an MTB shop... don't carry much roadie stuff... " Great. Too bad, I can actually walk there from my house.

The last LBS is a Trek super store... friendly folks, when you are asking about new Treks...

Sigh.

Any question as to why I shop on-line. I can "order it" too. :rolleyes:

Sheldon Brown is on-line... and delivers advise too. Loose screws has all kinds of small parts. Nashbar I go to for clothing. I have not yet bought anything on-line from Performance... I just go to their local "non-stocking" stores, and then "order it myself" from someone else. Strange world, eh? Maybe someday they will finish my wheel.

I think you're making a big deal out of nothing. Online retailers, especially low priced ones like Nashbar, compete on price, not service.

That's why people buy from them - because they can save $10 over their LBS and they don't care about getting individual attention. It's nice that some online retailers put a 'special request' box on their order form, but really, don't expect much.

If you want caring, personalized service, find a good LBS and be prepared to pay more money for the same gear.

Personally, i haven't found LBSes to be that caring or helpful anyway (maybe it's a NYC thing), so i do my research, buy online, and live with the occasional inconvenience. What you are complaining about (shipping with a carrier you don't like) is NOTHING.

So I should stop shopping at Nashbar, which by the way has given me nothing but excellent service, because you say so?

Thanks, I'll take it under advice.

Here's a thought though, next time try the phone. You can make you wishes known and actually hear thier response.

I'll second that. I use Nasbar all the time and always get excellent service.

I appreciate your complaint. I believe though that I will continue to shop in accordance with my own needs and experiences.

Exactly how is this Safety and Advocacy?

Exactly how is this Safety and Advocacy?

Advocating the boycott of Nashbar? Ensuring the safety of thier parcel delivery?

Your LBS offers do-it-yourself courier service. Same day delivery with no inflated shipping charge. You can even get delivery by bicycle so long as your package isn't too large!

Sounds to me like your problem is with the local office of the USPS, not with Nashbar. Maybe you should ask us to boycott the USPS instead. I personally wouldn't ship a 20 year old beach towel with FedEx, but that's my problem, not anyone else's.

My local Performance store manager just ponied up $20 out of his pocket to sponsor my daughter for an asthma ride. I've bought a lot of gear there, but never a bike or any other big ticket item. Of course I didn't ask the UPS driver, the mailman, or the FedEx driver if they would like to sponsor her.

Two Performance shops ARE my local LBS.
If I was your mailman, I wouldn't leave anything at your door either. Too many parcels "grow legs". I most certainly wouldn't leave it sitting out in the open down by your mailbox !!!!!!!!! Is the mail person putting the parcel in a locked parcel box by the regular mailbox? It's totally against regs to leave a parcel anywhere unlocked that's not secure. You should complain:

http://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php

Fill in the info. When you complain at the P.O., it only is seen by them. When you complain online, it takes it "beyond the office".

Did you get your package? If not, get your money back. If you did get your package but had some problems, call Nashbar and ask them to refund your shipping costs. They might say, "yes."

Online stores make cycling more affordable, but you have to be willing to deal with their weaknesses. They have problems anytime your order is in anyway unusual. If you have an unusual order (for example, one that requests non-standard shipping), never order online--call them and speak to a real human being. Don't assume that they read your comments.

Finally, to those who say LBS's are the source of all that is good, I have had more problems with special orders at LBS's than online. Sometimes orders sit for days both before being submitted to suppliers and after the parts are received at the store. Once, it took about 6 weeks to get a simple part. First time, they ordered the wrong size. Second time, they put it on the floor and sold it (after telling me I shouldn't call to check on the order's status because they would call me when it came in). The third time was the charm.

LBS's are great for parts when you need advice or support. They are also great for parts that are in stock. But, like online stores, they have their limitations.

It's totally against regs to leave a parcel anywhere unlocked that's not secure.
Where's that reg from? And what's "secure"? USPS leaves stuff for me on my porch, in my screen door, etc, all the time.

On a related note, I want to firebomb the USPS. They must have a screening process before hiring. "So potential candidate, would you consider yourself incompetent? No? Go home, next candidate!"

If you have received your package and there were any problems, I'd call and ask for a refund on shipping. I am going to assume they order filler only read your first sentence, and never bothered with the second, and that's why they shipped it USPS.

As I promised them, I am no longer buying from them because of this. I am also telling all the cyclists I know - you folk - to not buy from them or from their sister company, Performance Bicycle.



Thanks, but, I like them for the most part. I agree they should have handled it personally, at some level.

i would have wrote fedex ground in the box since thats what they reccomend when shipping co2

Um, why don't you call them. Like I said last time to another person who threatened never to buy stuff from them. They don't care.

On a related note, I want to firebomb the USPS. They must have a screening process before hiring. "So potential candidate, would you consider yourself incompetent? No? Go home, next candidate!"


LOL.. I often ship packages at the post office because it's a lot cheaper than UPS or FedEx, but man, it's frustrating to be standing in a line snaking out the door, while 4 out of 6 service windows are closed but you can see the workers behind the glass standing around and having coffee and chatting and ignoring all the customers.

Recently I attempted to buy a CO2 inflator and cartridges. During the ordering process, they have a box for special instructions. Since they don't have a way to specify how to ship, I wrote in there something to the effect of, "Please send via UPS Ground. DO NOT SEND via USPS." I get my order confirmation, and I waited. A few days later I wrote asking for my tracking number. "Oh, sorry - we have FedEx, we don't have UPS, so we sent it USPS." I've been trying to get them to explain why it was such a leap to think, "oh, she doesn't want it USPS, we don't have UPS, so let's send it FedEx Ground." Apparently I've been taken as a nutjob, because now they are not responding to my emails.

Why the big deal? Because I've had the USPS lose packages on me. Because the USPS doesn't bring packages too large for my mailbox up to my third-floor walkup and leave it at the door - they leave it at the mailbox. The USPS is an issue for me, and I've explained this to Nashbar.

As I promised them, I am no longer buying from them because of this. I am also telling all the cyclists I know - you folk - to not buy from them or from their sister company, Performance Bicycle.

All they have to do is admit they screwed up, and make a change on their website to allow us to be specific about how to ship our packages. That's all I want.

Thanks for listening. Please avoid Nashbar and Performance Bicycle!

Becca,
Just to help further your dislike for nashbar/performance, I will tell you that
nashbar sells a product produced/marketed from an Illegal DRUG Paraphernalia Company,
called GRAFFIX.

The sell a Jersey from graffix:http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=137&subcategory=1207&brand=&sku=7437&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

Graffix is a DRUG Paraphernalia Company, bent on attracting young people to illegal drugs.
Buying this jersey from nashbar directly supports the promotion and existance of a drug
Paraphernalia Company. Which in my opinion is dispicible.

Now, some people will argue it is a free market and they have the right to sell it, fine.
But it does not have to be acceptable or supported.

Also, some will say certain claims about Pink Floyd or Dead jerseys, which may or may not
have conotations of drug use or drug related content, but it is completely different.

graffix specifically produces drug paraphernalia goods, any and all sales benefit their cause
of promoting illegal drug usage. Now, of course graffix sells these things under the guise of
cigarette rolling paperr and pipe tobaccos, which is of course a joke in itself.

I strongly urge anyone not to buy from these companies simply based on their
irresponsibility and lack of concern for such a serious issue.
What is interesting is how they changed the ad on their site, the last now line reads,
"It’s all in jest though." Yea, that makes it all ok, its only a joke, graffix and nashbar
dont really want to sell you a product that reflects and promotes smoking marijuana...
they are only kidding about it...
:rolleyes:

Oh please. You don't need companies advertising to get into "illegal" drugs, they do that well enough on their own. All that stuff that graffix sells is not necessarily for illegal drugs you know.

how is a bike jersey "Illegal DRUG Paraphernalia"?

Thanks for listening. Please avoid Nashbar and Performance Bicycle!
You forgot about Supergo, also owned by Performance.

Graffix is a DRUG Paraphernalia Company, bent on attracting young people to illegal drugs.
Buying this jersey from nashbar directly supports the promotion and existance of a drug
Paraphernalia Company. Which in my opinion is dispicible.

....

graffix specifically produces drug paraphernalia goods, any and all sales benefit their cause
of promoting illegal drug usage. Now, of course graffix sells these things under the guise of
cigarette rolling paperr and pipe tobaccos, which is of course a joke in itself.

How do you know so much about these companies anyway? And how do you know so much about the products intended uses? You crazy hippies need to spend less time hanging around the local Paraphenalia Depot sniffing boxes incense and jealously fondling hemp sandals, and more time riding. Or better yet, helping kids fix their bikes so they have something to do besides smoke.

peace,
sam

Nashbar had been flawless in their shipping, service, etc....until about two weeks ago.I

The problem: they said my zip code doesn't exist...can't do 2-day shipping. Well, their website has always given me a message about my non-existant zip code, but their is a "continue order anyway" or some such button. My package always arrives via Fed Ex to the "non-existant" zip code..

But not this time. Get an email on Friday: "They don't offer two-day shipping to your area." I kindly replied that they have shipped to my address on numerous occasions...I gave them order numbers.

No return email. Monday, make a call to "customer service". You need to talk to a supervisor, they will give you a call. No call. Tuesday, a supervisor will call you. No call. Wednesday, can you please put a supervisor on the phone? No, they will call you back. So, we call "technical questions" line instead. It's like the secret entrance into the Death Star. Can we speak to a supervisor? Sure. These "technical questions" folks didn't have the "reject" instruction programmed into their brains like the customer service folks seemed to have.

Speak to supervisor. Get things shipped. Shipping free (on a wheel). Finally. Will I shop there again. Yes.

BTW, they said the zip code snafu was on Fex Ex's side...HHHMMMM....but, they said "it's in the computer now." HHHMMMM.....

how is a bike jersey "Illegal DRUG Paraphernalia"?


WOosh

The reason why there are so many arguments on message boards...is because most
people don't read and don't understand the content or don't bother to decipher what is being said
before they go flapping their uniformed gums.

But I guess I will have to explain as to why it is BAD....and not good.
I'll try to use small words as not to confuse.

First off, graffix IS a drug paraphernalia company, if you don't know what paraphernalia is, go learn.
Inform yourself and know what is happening around you before making any silly statements.

Secondly, selling jerseys or any other clothing, durable products made/produced/manufactured/etc
by a drug paraphernalia concern makes that company money, money that is used to further propogate
and promote illegal drugs. Money used to lobby for the legalization of illegal drugs, money
that may be used in ways that endanger children. There are infinite ways in which 'drug' money
adversely affects our young and our culture.

I will say this, if you are a drug user, and you have the stones to defend such behaviour,
in my opinion you are a low life and a scumb*g equal to the persons that
own and run the graffix company and companies similar. I have had two family members
severly affected by drugs, one is now dead. I have seen first hand how drugs ruin and
seperate families. I have no tolerance for people who push drugs and push the idea
of legalizing drugs, I have no use for anybody who would defend such subversive behaviour
and dismiss it as hippie sh*t or innocent jesting, or whatever BS you come up with.

The people who talk out the side of there ass*s about a very serious subject
are usually people who are very ignorant about life in general. In my opinion,
drug usage is very serious, and very damaging to our society. If you want to joke about
it, go ahead, just know that I will not sit by and laugh or ignore it.

I always have stuff shipped FedEx. They put delivaries on the back patio, out of sight. USPS and UPS just dump whatever on the front steps.

That and I have 200 sryinges delivared to my house every month, but I have prescriptions.

Fedex, UPS, USPS all deliver to the same place, and most of the time packages are in the same condition. USPS is SLOWWWW, UPS tends to be a day late, and Fedex is always on time.

I'm going to venture to say that Becca just tended to post in the heat of the moment. Yes, we've all learned a lesson here...that Nashbar does have a dropdown box to choose your shipping provider and that they don't do a very good job at deciphering special instructions. Not really an end-all reason to stop shopping with them, but like I said,...a heat of the moment post.

If the OP would like to hear a little justificational logic behind why I think Nashbar still chose to send it USPS is like this. The OP said UPS, but not USPS, without explanation why. Nashbar, looking out for their own butts in regards to cost, said to themselves, "Well, they said UPS, but we don't use them. I know they said not USPS, but if we send FedEx, they never requested FedEx, so we don't have anything in writing to save our butts from a measly $4 loss if they didn't want FedEx specifically, so we'll just go with a possibly dissatisfied customer and save ourselves $4." I know the OP explained to Nashbar later why they didn't want USPS, but not in the order. So that's how I think Nashbar's logic went.

Anywho, the moral of the story is, thanks for sharing, OP, because we will all learn from this and hopefully our online shopping experiences with Performance and Nashbar will be a little more informative and go a little more smoothly and hopefully yours will too. :)

Becca,
Just to help further your dislike for nashbar/performance, I will tell you that
nashbar sells a product produced/marketed from an Illegal DRUG Paraphernalia Company,
called GRAFFIX.

The sell a Jersey from graffix:http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=137&subcategory=1207&brand=&sku=7437&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

Graffix is a DRUG Paraphernalia Company, bent on attracting young people to illegal drugs.
Buying this jersey from nashbar directly supports the promotion and existance of a drug
Paraphernalia Company. Which in my opinion is dispicible.

Now, some people will argue it is a free market and they have the right to sell it, fine.
But it does not have to be acceptable or supported.

Also, some will say certain claims about Pink Floyd or Dead jerseys, which may or may not
have conotations of drug use or drug related content, but it is completely different.

graffix specifically produces drug paraphernalia goods, any and all sales benefit their cause
of promoting illegal drug usage. Now, of course graffix sells these things under the guise of
cigarette rolling paperr and pipe tobaccos, which is of course a joke in itself.

I strongly urge anyone not to buy from these companies simply based on their
irresponsibility and lack of concern for such a serious issue.
What is interesting is how they changed the ad on their site, the last now line reads,
"It’s all in jest though." Yea, that makes it all ok, its only a joke, graffix and nashbar
dont really want to sell you a product that reflects and promotes smoking marijuana...
they are only kidding about it...
:rolleyes:

Babies on crack! Babies on crack! Just say no! Ohhhh.....

The reason why there are so many arguments on message boards...is because most
people don't read and don't understand the content or don't bother to decipher what is being said
before they go flapping their uniformed gums.

But I guess I will have to explain as to why it is BAD....and not good.
I'll try to use small words as not to confuse.

First off, graffix IS a drug paraphernalia company, if you don't know what paraphernalia is, go learn.
Inform yourself and know what is happening around you before making any silly statements.

Secondly, selling jerseys or any other clothing, durable products made/produced/manufactured/etc
by a drug paraphernalia concern makes that company money, money that is used to further propogate
and promote illegal drugs. Money used to lobby for the legalization of illegal drugs, money
that may be used in ways that endanger children. There are infinite ways in which 'drug' money
adversely affects our young and our culture.

I will say this, if you are a drug user, and you have the stones to defend such behaviour,
in my opinion you are a low life and a scumb*g equal to the persons that
own and run the graffix company and companies similar. I have had two family members
severly affected by drugs, one is now dead. I have seen first hand how drugs ruin and
seperate families. I have no tolerance for people who push drugs and push the idea
of legalizing drugs, I have no use for anybody who would defend such subversive behaviour
and dismiss it as hippie sh*t or innocent jesting, or whatever BS you come up with.

The people who talk out the side of there ass*s about a very serious subject
are usually people who are very ignorant about life in general. In my opinion,
drug usage is very serious, and very damaging to our society. If you want to joke about
it, go ahead, just know that I will not sit by and laugh or ignore it.

To quote Bill Hicks, making pot illegal is like saying god made a mistake. You do realize that regardless of the existance of companies such as Graffix, people are going to do it. Illegal or not, people are going to do it. It's a fact of life. If people want to, fine, that's their decision. I think your implication that Nashbar should refuse to sell said jersey because it's somehow tied to a company that just so happens to also make rolling papers, pipes and other "paraphenalia" is asinine. I don't see how in a million years that it could somehow be misconstrued as promoting drug use. I don't see pot leaves all over it, no joints, no bongs, etc. Where's the problem? It's not like Nashbar is saying people should do drugs.

I have had two family members
severly affected by drugs, one is now dead. I have seen first hand how drugs ruin and
seperate families. I have no tolerance for people who push drugs and push the idea
of legalizing drugs, I have no use for anybody who would defend such subversive behaviour
and dismiss it as hippie sh*t or innocent jesting, or whatever BS you come up with.

If you want to compare numbers of dead family members due to drugs, I've got you beat by a healthy margin.

But you know what? They died from LEGAL drugs, the kind you can buy every day at the corner store, tobacco and alcohol. But you don't see me flipping sh** whenever I see a beer themed jersey (like the kind I intend to buy from new belgium next time they are in town).

My family members took the freedom that was their right as Americans, and used it to poison themselves to death. I take the freedom that is mine as an American, and use it to ride. But the point is that freedom is what you must give, if you want to get. People are all about supporting freedom as long as its the same freedom they would choose for themselves. But as soon as someone wants to be free to do something to themselves that is different from what you would choose, its suddenly a big problem.

You know what protects kids from getting addicted to drugs? Involved family and friends. Graffix would go out of business tommorow if people chose to stop buying the products. Marijuana has been shown time and time again to NOT be physically addictive, so if people are buying, its because they chose to, and that isn't a choice I feel comfortable taking from them. What if someone else chose to take my right to ride my bike on the street? In many ways our position is as tenuous as theirs. "Its dangerous!" They say, "What if our children got the idea that it was OK to ride in the street and risk their very lives?!?", we'd say, "Nonsense! Its the responsibility of the family to teach safe cycling habits!"

Of course, that is completely different, isn't it?

peace,
sam

PS I got my nashbar order today that I placed a few days ago. Seemed to go fine. But then, its just a basic online retailer, they work great when the weather is nice, but when things get stormy, they can be hard to deal with...

I don't think we should turn this thread into a drug legalization forum. I think that belongs in the politics and religion forum.

If you think marijuana legalization is a bad idea, then Senna94 is right, you should not buy from Nashbar. You should also write and tell them why. That's your First Amendment right. But if disagree (or if you just don't care), then you have every right to wear the shirt and to buy other stuff from Nashbar. That's your First Amendment right. Is this a great country or what?

Even though I disagree with Senna94 on drug legalization, I respect her right to refuse to buy from companies she thinks are acting unethically, as well as her right to ask others to do the same. I won't buy Planet Bike products because the company supports the Thunderhead Alliance, which works to take the democracy out of local bike advocacy groups. Under the Planet Bike/Thunderhead scheme, the board members select themselves and their replacements--members have no voice in the leadership of their organization. Members also have no voice in setting policy. Members are, however, allowed to pay money to join.

You people need to chill, how bout we go pass a spliff?

how bout we all take a deep breath,
and leave the drug discussions out of
this, or off we go to P&R

Marty

You could get Nashbar to stop selling Graffix stuff if you contacted the American Family Association. They love to boycott companies for stuff like this.

While you're at it, take note that they also sell pint glasses. Yes, they are practically forcing alcohol abuse onto innocent young children who might come upon a Nashbar catalog lying around in some den of iniquity.

Think of the children!!

:p


I think this whole thing is going too far. Or maybe it's because i'm from B.C., where pot smoking is regarded as similar to drinking, rather than some horrible deadly thing. I don't smoke it, BTW, but i think i have a levelheaded attitude toward it, unlike some.

-robin

The reason why there are so many arguments on message boards...is because most
people don't read and don't understand the content or don't bother to decipher what is being said
before they go flapping their uniformed gums.

But I guess I will have to explain as to why it is BAD....and not good.
I'll try to use small words as not to confuse.

First off, graffix IS a drug paraphernalia company, if you don't know what paraphernalia is, go learn.
Inform yourself and know what is happening around you before making any silly statements.

Secondly, selling jerseys or any other clothing, durable products made/produced/manufactured/etc
by a drug paraphernalia concern makes that company money, money that is used to further propogate
and promote illegal drugs. Money used to lobby for the legalization of illegal drugs, money
that may be used in ways that endanger children. There are infinite ways in which 'drug' money
adversely affects our young and our culture.

I will say this, if you are a drug user, and you have the stones to defend such behaviour,
in my opinion you are a low life and a scumb*g equal to the persons that
own and run the graffix company and companies similar. I have had two family members
severly affected by drugs, one is now dead. I have seen first hand how drugs ruin and
seperate families. I have no tolerance for people who push drugs and push the idea
of legalizing drugs, I have no use for anybody who would defend such subversive behaviour
and dismiss it as hippie sh*t or innocent jesting, or whatever BS you come up with.

The people who talk out the side of there ass*s about a very serious subject
are usually people who are very ignorant about life in general. In my opinion,
drug usage is very serious, and very damaging to our society. If you want to joke about
it, go ahead, just know that I will not sit by and laugh or ignore it.

You should avoid anything with happy yellow smiley faces on them :) . The :) is a direct product of sixties drug culture and first appeared on LSD blotter a few decades ago. This forum has happy smiley faces, what does that mean? Don't buy Coca Cola either.

:beer:

Sounds to me like your problem is with the local office of the USPS, not with Nashbar. Maybe you should ask us to boycott the USPS instead. I personally wouldn't ship a 20 year old beach towel with FedEx, but that's my problem, not anyone else's.

My local Performance store manager just ponied up $20 out of his pocket to sponsor my daughter for an asthma ride. I've bought a lot of gear there, but never a bike or any other big ticket item. Of course I didn't ask the UPS driver, the mailman, or the FedEx driver if they would like to sponsor her.

Got a link to a website for donations? I'm not "your" mailman, but hey, it's payday. ;)

Where's that reg from? And what's "secure"? USPS leaves stuff for me on my porch, in my screen door, etc, all the time.

It's one of our regulations. I think it's in our M-41, but it could be somewhere else. I leave stuff on my customer's porches a lot, but only after I've checked with them on it. We're allowed to leave thinner boxes inside screen doors if the bottom half is metal and hides the parcel. I also leave the thinner large envelopes under door mats, where they can't be seen, it it's away fromt he weather. I leave parcels under a patio roof attached to a garage in the backyard of one of my houses. Technically, we are supposed to have written permission from the customer to leave anything that can be seen, like a box sitting on a porch. I NEVER leave anything by an apartment mailbox, and don't leave things outside apartment doors, either. Some offices of apartment complexes let us leave parcels with them when residents aren't home, so they don't have to go to the Post Office. We've had customers file written complaints that we didn't leave a package on their porch. We put a copy of that complaint in our route book, since they'd just put permission to leave parcels on their porch, in writing.
While parcels still disappear, the big thing is outgoing bills put out for us to pick up, and those incoming credit card applications with your name already on it, as well as the info from your bills.

Guys...put down the lightsabers and go take some deep breaths out of the freezer....mmkay?

It's a jersey...yes it gives these guys money...but guess what? There are for worse to be ranting about...such as drug companies pushing out drugs they know to be unsafe....pot has been around nearly as long as civilization...we haven't heard of any empire collapsing from it, so let it be....

If you don't like it, don't buy the jersey....now where the heck is a Woodchuck Draft Cider jersey?

I want a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale jersey.. they even have a cycling team, but i can't find a jersey anywhere!

You should avoid anything with happy yellow smiley faces on them :) . The :) is a direct product of sixties drug culture and first appeared on LSD blotter a few decades ago. This forum has happy smiley faces, what does that mean? Don't buy Coca Cola either.

:beer:

Afraid you've got your history a little wrong here. Sure, the smiley was adopted for such use, but it was created as part of an ad campaign - you can read about it here: http://elouai.com/smiley-history.php

While you're at it, take note that they also sell pint glasses. Yes, they are practically forcing alcohol abuse onto innocent young children who might come upon a Nashbar catalog lying around in some den of iniquity.

Think of the children!!

:p


I think this whole thing is going too far. Or maybe it's because i'm from B.C., where pot smoking is regarded as similar to drinking, rather than some horrible deadly thing. I don't smoke it, BTW, but i think i have a levelheaded attitude toward it, unlike some.

-robin


Well maybe IT IS because your from B.C.
Notoriously liberal views up there. It does not surprise me at all.Perhaps that is how you were raised
and your beliefs differ from mine whatever. Your view is your view. I personally believe that a company
such as graffix is bad for our sport, bad for our children and bad for society. Also, the old tired argument of comparing drugs to alcohol is a dead horse. It is merely an opinion
that drugs are no more damaging or addictive than alcohol. Most doctors and scientists disagree in fact.

You have your opinion and I have mine, which is much more conservative.
I just don't think supporting that kind of lifestyle and choice is a good decision,
I think it sends a poor message to our youth, maybe some people think its ok.

You and all who share your beliefs certainly have the right to buy from whoever
you choose to buy from, just as I have the same right not to buy from who I choose.

Oh, to the guy who actually wants to compare dead persons to dead persons in body count...
extremely bright. I guess I don't have as much right grieve or be upset because
you lost so much more. After all we value life based on numbers...rather than individually.
I get it now, I think. You must be right, and you have me beat. :(