TysonB
06-01-05, 11:38 PM
M&M's AND Beer! And not that nasty lite beer stuff, either, but some beer with color taste and calories!!
Tyson
Tyson
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06-01-05, 11:44 PM
Add wheat flour to the list for homemade bread(yeast,salt,honey,flour,water).
capsicum
06-02-05, 01:47 AM
...My qualifications? I've been into the world of bodybuilding for 7 years, ...
The truth is revealed, He hates pie!
The truth is revealed, He hates pie!
appel
06-02-05, 04:13 AM
The truth is revealed, He hates pie!
I love chocolate cakes. I'll eat half a cake in 15 minutes, no problem. I love it. I don't eat much of pies though. Apple pies?
I love chocolate cakes. I'll eat half a cake in 15 minutes, no problem. I love it. I don't eat much of pies though. Apple pies?
KrisPistofferson
06-02-05, 04:20 AM
Ostrich?
dodgy
06-02-05, 11:43 AM
I notice that many of you make humour out of this, too bad.
That's because you're so darn funny, cupcake.
My qualifications? I've been into the world of bodybuilding for 7 years,
In that case now I'm certain you're completely full of $hit...
I've read countless of articles on nutrition and health,
From where?!? High Times? The bulletin board at the local Trader Joes?
Pork amino acid build-up is poor,
That statement makes absolutely no sense.
your body will utilize pork protein very badly, because it lacks so many amino acids that your body needs.
References, please.
Maybe it's time to bring some solid science in here...hmm....
OK - you first:
1. Show us the deficient amino acid profile of pork. I'm sure the kosher foods industry would gladly pay you a lot of money for such proof...
(actually a quick google search turns up Alfaia et. al , Food Science and Technology International.2004; 10: 297-304 where Portugese dried cured ham show large increases in free form levels of several amino acids after seven months of curing)
2. Show us where it's been demonstrated that the body's utilization of protein is slower or less efficient when the amino acid profile of the protein is incomplete or deficient. That's a pretty groundbreaking statement, dude. Would have to rewrite the textbooks there...
3) Reconcile that statement with your later post that "soy protein is great". Since soy protein, while complete (meaning it containes all the amino acids your body can't make itself), is markedly deficient in cysteine, methionine and tryptophan compared to animal products. By your reasoning, soy should have piss-poor utilization.
4) And most importantly, show me where its been demonstrated that it takes one week to recover from one glass of beer!
That's because you're so darn funny, cupcake.
My qualifications? I've been into the world of bodybuilding for 7 years,
In that case now I'm certain you're completely full of $hit...
I've read countless of articles on nutrition and health,
From where?!? High Times? The bulletin board at the local Trader Joes?
Pork amino acid build-up is poor,
That statement makes absolutely no sense.
your body will utilize pork protein very badly, because it lacks so many amino acids that your body needs.
References, please.
Maybe it's time to bring some solid science in here...hmm....
OK - you first:
1. Show us the deficient amino acid profile of pork. I'm sure the kosher foods industry would gladly pay you a lot of money for such proof...
(actually a quick google search turns up Alfaia et. al , Food Science and Technology International.2004; 10: 297-304 where Portugese dried cured ham show large increases in free form levels of several amino acids after seven months of curing)
2. Show us where it's been demonstrated that the body's utilization of protein is slower or less efficient when the amino acid profile of the protein is incomplete or deficient. That's a pretty groundbreaking statement, dude. Would have to rewrite the textbooks there...
3) Reconcile that statement with your later post that "soy protein is great". Since soy protein, while complete (meaning it containes all the amino acids your body can't make itself), is markedly deficient in cysteine, methionine and tryptophan compared to animal products. By your reasoning, soy should have piss-poor utilization.
4) And most importantly, show me where its been demonstrated that it takes one week to recover from one glass of beer!
halfbiked
06-02-05, 12:13 PM
Ground anything isn't good for you, too much surface area.
Too much surface area? Thats a new one to me. Is it surface area that is inherently bad, or only surface area of proteins or meat products specifically? and why?
Too much surface area? Thats a new one to me. Is it surface area that is inherently bad, or only surface area of proteins or meat products specifically? and why?
alison_in_oh
06-02-05, 12:46 PM
Too much surface area? Thats a new one to me. Is it surface area that is inherently bad, or only surface area of proteins or meat products specifically? and why?
I knew I should elaborate that one, but it was a hasty rant. :) Ground meat isn't good because the increased surface area provides a perfect breeding ground for bacteria and also leaves the fat in contact with the air where it will oxidize (go rancid) more quickly. Freshly ground meat, like if you know for a fact your butcher ground it that day, is usually OK; ground beef can be the worst though because these days I understand it is often ground at the source and transported in its ground state (lower energy than steak haha PHYSICS JOKE) which means A) it's exposed to the bacteria from slaughter and B) it's then happily growing for that whole transport period (yes, there are safe handling practices, no they aren't always followed let alone enforced).
I knew I should elaborate that one, but it was a hasty rant. :) Ground meat isn't good because the increased surface area provides a perfect breeding ground for bacteria and also leaves the fat in contact with the air where it will oxidize (go rancid) more quickly. Freshly ground meat, like if you know for a fact your butcher ground it that day, is usually OK; ground beef can be the worst though because these days I understand it is often ground at the source and transported in its ground state (lower energy than steak haha PHYSICS JOKE) which means A) it's exposed to the bacteria from slaughter and B) it's then happily growing for that whole transport period (yes, there are safe handling practices, no they aren't always followed let alone enforced).
KrisPistofferson
06-02-05, 12:50 PM
I knew I should elaborate that one, but it was a hasty rant. :) Ground meat isn't good because the increased surface area provides a perfect breeding ground for bacteria and also leaves the fat in contact with the air where it will oxidize (go rancid) more quickly. Freshly ground meat, like if you know for a fact your butcher ground it that day, is usually OK; ground beef can be the worst though because these days I understand it is often ground at the source and transported in its ground state (lower energy than steak haha PHYSICS JOKE) which means A) it's exposed to the bacteria from slaughter and B) it's then happily growing for that whole transport period (yes, there are safe handling practices, no they aren't always followed let alone enforced).
That's why we apply a new invention called fire to it.
That's why we apply a new invention called fire to it.
halfbiked
06-02-05, 12:54 PM
Phew. At least our home-made corned-beef hash is still ok...
konageezer
06-02-05, 12:56 PM
That's why we apply a new invention called fire to it.
Interesting. Tell me, what is this "fire" of which you speak?
Interesting. Tell me, what is this "fire" of which you speak?
KrisPistofferson
06-02-05, 01:00 PM
Interesting. Tell me, what is this "fire" of which you speak?
Screw you, Canuck! America's keeping this technology for itself!
Screw you, Canuck! America's keeping this technology for itself!
dodgy
06-02-05, 01:06 PM
Screw you, Canuck! America's keeping this technology for itself!
No way! everyone knows the Chinese invented fire! (otherwise how could they have invented pasta?)
No way! everyone knows the Chinese invented fire! (otherwise how could they have invented pasta?)
konageezer
06-02-05, 01:13 PM
Screw you, Canuck! America's keeping this technology for itself!
Oh, yeah? Well, it just so happens I LIKE cold canned ravioli, so there.
And if you're going to be like that, we want Jim Carrey back. And that what's-his-name guy from Back to the Future… shakes all the time… you know who I mean.
Oh, yeah? Well, it just so happens I LIKE cold canned ravioli, so there.
And if you're going to be like that, we want Jim Carrey back. And that what's-his-name guy from Back to the Future… shakes all the time… you know who I mean.
KrisPistofferson
06-02-05, 01:15 PM
Oh, yeah? Well, it just so happens I LIKE cold canned ravioli, so there.
And if you're going to be like that, we want Jim Carrey back. And that what's-his-name guy from Back to the Future… shakes all the time… you know who I mean.
Deal. But we'll need two more Shatners.
And if you're going to be like that, we want Jim Carrey back. And that what's-his-name guy from Back to the Future… shakes all the time… you know who I mean.
Deal. But we'll need two more Shatners.
TheKillerPenguin
06-02-05, 01:15 PM
Oh, yeah? Well, it just so happens I LIKE cold canned ravioli, so there.
And if you're going to be like that, we want Jim Carrey back. And that what's-his-name guy from Back to the Future… shakes all the time… you know who I mean.
Take Celine Dion back too.
And if you're going to be like that, we want Jim Carrey back. And that what's-his-name guy from Back to the Future… shakes all the time… you know who I mean.
Take Celine Dion back too.
konageezer
06-02-05, 01:20 PM
Take Celine Dion back too.
Only if you take back that Michael Moriarty guy from Law & Order. That guy's really tearing up the pea patch around here.
Only if you take back that Michael Moriarty guy from Law & Order. That guy's really tearing up the pea patch around here.
TheKillerPenguin
06-02-05, 01:25 PM
Your offer is acceptible, provided you perminantly muzzle Dion.
konageezer
06-02-05, 01:49 PM
Your offer is acceptible, provided you perminantly muzzle Dion.
Done. We make the exchange at the border, then we go for a couple of beers.
Um… CANADIAN beers.
Done. We make the exchange at the border, then we go for a couple of beers.
Um… CANADIAN beers.
TheKillerPenguin
06-02-05, 01:56 PM
Excellent. And then we'll watch some hockey. Oh wait...
BWAHAHAHAHA! :D
BWAHAHAHAHA! :D
konageezer
06-02-05, 01:59 PM
Excellent. And then we'll watch some hockey. Oh wait...
BWAHAHAHAHA! :D
You're just mad because we stuck you with Pavel.
BWAHAHAHAHA! :D
You're just mad because we stuck you with Pavel.
corwincastle
06-02-05, 02:34 PM
man i already follow this diet i like everything there and try to drink as much water and of the sort and treat myself nicely with some crystal light every now and then or a diet coke
broccoli is a top on favorites list for me and as well as the rest of the veggies also i LOVE my meats
broccoli is a top on favorites list for me and as well as the rest of the veggies also i LOVE my meats
Dewbert
06-02-05, 03:28 PM
Science? How about the horrid fatty acid profile of beef fat? The mercury in tuna? Dietary cholesterol doesn't necessarily affect blood cholesterol, but that doesn't mean that shrimp need to be on the "supreme" list! Ground anything isn't good for you, too much surface area. Protein powder is totally unnecessary for the vast majority of us, especially on a biking forum where most of us are focusing on endurance exercise. You haven't even mentioned valuable legume protein sources like soy and garbanzo beans, or wheat-gluten and sources like seitan. As far as GI, basmati is far superior to long-grain white rice, and red potatoes are far superior to bakers. Not to mention there is a plethora of healthful starchy food that you have left off of your laughable "complex carb" list, from quinoa to amaranth and beyond; where's my lentils? My taro? The truncated vegetable list so tellingly attributed to "fibrous carbs" is ridiculous. I can eat more variety in veggies than that in a single day, and on any given weekend what's on my grocery list will be "whatever is fresh and in season". Likewise for the fruits, though the GI of berries and their antioxidant contents should rocket them to the top of the list. Kudos for listing olive oil front and center, and safflower's not bad, but neither is canola if organically grown. Rather than listing peanuts twice, why not branch out into sesame (tahini) and healthful mixed nut combinations -- the selenium in Brazil nuts is good for your babymakers, you know. Dairy's far from necessary, and as I've mentioned the casein is quite irritating to most immune systems, exacerbating existing allergies even if it doesn't trigger any itself -- and the mucilagenous properties make it quite impeding for those of us who actually need to breathe hard while riding our bikes! Eggs are duplicated of course, you had them under protein foods. Diet soda on the healthy food list? Crystal light mentioned by brand name? Are they paying you to push their overpriced chemical flavoring? As has been mentioned, your condiment selection is woefully understocked, you really need to branch out in your culinary skills methinks.
And now with that rant in place, I am late for my after-work ride!
I think I'm in love! <grin>
And now with that rant in place, I am late for my after-work ride!
I think I'm in love! <grin>
Jim Bonnet
06-02-05, 03:37 PM
Take Celine Dion back too.
:D I'll second that..
:D I'll second that..
XChosen
10-11-05, 08:04 PM
Science? How about the horrid fatty acid profile of beef fat? The mercury in tuna? Dietary cholesterol doesn't necessarily affect blood cholesterol, but that doesn't mean that shrimp need to be on the "supreme" list! Ground anything isn't good for you, too much surface area. Protein powder is totally unnecessary for the vast majority of us, especially on a biking forum where most of us are focusing on endurance exercise. You haven't even mentioned valuable legume protein sources like soy and garbanzo beans, or wheat-gluten and sources like seitan. As far as GI, basmati is far superior to long-grain white rice, and red potatoes are far superior to bakers. Not to mention there is a plethora of healthful starchy food that you have left off of your laughable "complex carb" list, from quinoa to amaranth and beyond; where's my lentils? My taro? The truncated vegetable list so tellingly attributed to "fibrous carbs" is ridiculous. I can eat more variety in veggies than that in a single day, and on any given weekend what's on my grocery list will be "whatever is fresh and in season". Likewise for the fruits, though the GI of berries and their antioxidant contents should rocket them to the top of the list. Kudos for listing olive oil front and center, and safflower's not bad, but neither is canola if organically grown. Rather than listing peanuts twice, why not branch out into sesame (tahini) and healthful mixed nut combinations -- the selenium in Brazil nuts is good for your babymakers, you know. Dairy's far from necessary, and as I've mentioned the casein is quite irritating to most immune systems, exacerbating existing allergies even if it doesn't trigger any itself -- and the mucilagenous properties make it quite impeding for those of us who actually need to breathe hard while riding our bikes! Eggs are duplicated of course, you had them under protein foods. Diet soda on the healthy food list? Crystal light mentioned by brand name? Are they paying you to push their overpriced chemical flavoring? As has been mentioned, your condiment selection is woefully understocked, you really need to branch out in your culinary skills methinks.
And now with that rant in place, I am late for my after-work ride!
I don't want to dog appel like the rest. I think he/she is just trying to help some people out with a cleaner list of foods.
With that said I think alison_in_oh makes some great points. Alison why not write up your own list similiarly broken down like appel's list. I'd love to see it.
And now with that rant in place, I am late for my after-work ride!
I don't want to dog appel like the rest. I think he/she is just trying to help some people out with a cleaner list of foods.
With that said I think alison_in_oh makes some great points. Alison why not write up your own list similiarly broken down like appel's list. I'd love to see it.
Lecterman
10-11-05, 08:57 PM
Yeah how about some science and some tofu, too.
No kidding. I appreciate your attempt to be holier than thou and tell us all how we should eat, but vegans like me can do without your meat, eggs, and dairy.:rolleyes:
No kidding. I appreciate your attempt to be holier than thou and tell us all how we should eat, but vegans like me can do without your meat, eggs, and dairy.:rolleyes:
sfontain
10-12-05, 08:04 AM
Not at all! Alcahol will mess you up real nice :)
You must be an expert. Especially considering you can't even spell the word.
You must be an expert. Especially considering you can't even spell the word.
alison_in_oh
10-28-05, 04:02 PM
Alison why not write up your own list similiarly broken down like appel's list. I'd love to see it.
Good timing, as I'm on an "eating clean" kick. I'm hardly riding (which is why I'm away from the boards!), so I'm also watching calories to a certain extent. Unlike appel's, I do NOT advocate this as the ONLY grocery list. But it's enough for me, personally, to eat a varied diet for a few weeks and not get bored or get in a nutritional rut!
Protein foods
* Lentils
* Chick peas
* Pinto beans
* Black beans
* Tofu
* Cottage cheese
* Eggs
* Salmon (wild-caught Alaskan)
* Mackerel
Whole grains
* Brown rice
* Bulgur
* Oats
* Multigrain cereal (think it's got wheat, buckwheat, oats, corn, flax)
* Whole grain bread (my fave has soy and flax)
* Barley
* Popcorn
Other starch
* Pasta (pref. whole wheat but I usually buy the regular stuff)
* Couscous (ditto)
* Little red potatoes
* Sweet potatoes
* Crackers (esp. gluten-free)
* Pita
Produce
* Whatever's local, in season, and organic
* Whatever's local and in season
* Whatever's local and hothouse grown
* Whatever's organic
* Whatever looks good and fresh
* (Winners are usually zucchini, yellow squash, leafy greens, eggplant, winter squash, bell peppers, onions, tomatoes, broccoli, carrots, sweet corn, cabbage, red leaf lettuce, cucumber, apples, organic strawberries, other berries, pears, watermelon, etc.)
Condiments and extras
* Vegetarian boullion
* Soy sauce
* Coconut milk
* Spices (curry powder, garam masala, basil, marjoram, thyme, garlic powder, ginger powder, rosemary, cumin, turmeric, cayenne, red pepper flakes, salt and pepper would carry me a long way)
* Soy milk
* Bread yeast
* Pasta sauce (incl. homemade pesto and red sauce)
* Dried fruit (craisins and raisins)
* Nuts (usually walnuts, also mixed nuts or almonds)
* Peanut butter
* Jam
* Baking supplies (baking soda/powder, vanilla, etc.)
* Nutritional yeast
* Butter
Um...all I can think of off the top of my head right now. And now I'm hungry! But I have to lift weights before I go home to have my popcorn with nutritional yeast and butter, and my rice heated in sweet coconut milk to make "pudding", and my baked tofu! :p
Good timing, as I'm on an "eating clean" kick. I'm hardly riding (which is why I'm away from the boards!), so I'm also watching calories to a certain extent. Unlike appel's, I do NOT advocate this as the ONLY grocery list. But it's enough for me, personally, to eat a varied diet for a few weeks and not get bored or get in a nutritional rut!
Protein foods
* Lentils
* Chick peas
* Pinto beans
* Black beans
* Tofu
* Cottage cheese
* Eggs
* Salmon (wild-caught Alaskan)
* Mackerel
Whole grains
* Brown rice
* Bulgur
* Oats
* Multigrain cereal (think it's got wheat, buckwheat, oats, corn, flax)
* Whole grain bread (my fave has soy and flax)
* Barley
* Popcorn
Other starch
* Pasta (pref. whole wheat but I usually buy the regular stuff)
* Couscous (ditto)
* Little red potatoes
* Sweet potatoes
* Crackers (esp. gluten-free)
* Pita
Produce
* Whatever's local, in season, and organic
* Whatever's local and in season
* Whatever's local and hothouse grown
* Whatever's organic
* Whatever looks good and fresh
* (Winners are usually zucchini, yellow squash, leafy greens, eggplant, winter squash, bell peppers, onions, tomatoes, broccoli, carrots, sweet corn, cabbage, red leaf lettuce, cucumber, apples, organic strawberries, other berries, pears, watermelon, etc.)
Condiments and extras
* Vegetarian boullion
* Soy sauce
* Coconut milk
* Spices (curry powder, garam masala, basil, marjoram, thyme, garlic powder, ginger powder, rosemary, cumin, turmeric, cayenne, red pepper flakes, salt and pepper would carry me a long way)
* Soy milk
* Bread yeast
* Pasta sauce (incl. homemade pesto and red sauce)
* Dried fruit (craisins and raisins)
* Nuts (usually walnuts, also mixed nuts or almonds)
* Peanut butter
* Jam
* Baking supplies (baking soda/powder, vanilla, etc.)
* Nutritional yeast
* Butter
Um...all I can think of off the top of my head right now. And now I'm hungry! But I have to lift weights before I go home to have my popcorn with nutritional yeast and butter, and my rice heated in sweet coconut milk to make "pudding", and my baked tofu! :p
noisebeam
10-28-05, 05:04 PM
[DAIRY AND EGGS
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Bottled Water
Huh?
Al
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Bottled Water
Huh?
Al
Sendy
10-29-05, 06:21 AM
" Sugar Free Maple Syrup" - Not! Not only does it not exist, it is sacreligious!
Walden Farms makes a very delicous maple syrup. They make a lot of good stuff. http://www.waldenfarms.com/
Sendy
Walden Farms makes a very delicous maple syrup. They make a lot of good stuff. http://www.waldenfarms.com/
Sendy
Sooner Rider
10-30-05, 09:41 PM
[QUOTE=appel]I notice that many of you make humour out of this, too bad.
Jeez! I live in the REAL WORLD where humor exists along with red wine, M&Ms and a Krispy Kreme every month or so. If I come up short while striving to meet your standard, I'm banished to the leper colony?
If you want more money, take on three more jobs, coerce your wife into prostitution, sell your house and live under a bridge, sell your sell your car and hitchhike, borrow as much from your family & friends as you can without the intent of repaying them, steal from your employer, jack a 7-Eleven...
This is about cycling, getting in better shape and being pleased with the results, not training for the Tour or signing up for the Bataan death march.
Lighten up.
BTW - It really was a great grocery list - thank you. Now where did I put those Ding Dongs?
Jeez! I live in the REAL WORLD where humor exists along with red wine, M&Ms and a Krispy Kreme every month or so. If I come up short while striving to meet your standard, I'm banished to the leper colony?
If you want more money, take on three more jobs, coerce your wife into prostitution, sell your house and live under a bridge, sell your sell your car and hitchhike, borrow as much from your family & friends as you can without the intent of repaying them, steal from your employer, jack a 7-Eleven...
This is about cycling, getting in better shape and being pleased with the results, not training for the Tour or signing up for the Bataan death march.
Lighten up.
BTW - It really was a great grocery list - thank you. Now where did I put those Ding Dongs?
Eatadonut
10-30-05, 11:18 PM
Stolen, and modified for the college student living on a budget who isn't at all vegan and considers vegetarianism to be only a few rungs above necrophilia on the moral ladder.
Protein foods
* Chicken - it's cheap, it's easy to cook, it's tasty, it's healthy.
* Ground beef - throw it on the george foreman, watch the fat melt away! sure red meat causes cancer, but a hamburger is worth it.
* Pinto beans
* Black beans (refried bean sandwiches - cheap AND proteinfull!)
* Cottage cheese (large curd. Small curd causes cancer, it's science.)
* Eggs - just don't cook em like mom, when she would pour the boiling bacon grease over 'em. mmm...
* Salmon (not farmed, if possible. In oklahoma, you don't have a choice :( )
* Tuna - mackerel is expensive. tuna's cheaper, but no more than 16oz a week due to mercury.
* Peanut Butter - it's got the good fats in it, too!
Whole grains
* Brown rice - even better than white rice!
* Oats - homemade muesli replica is tasty breakfast fodder
* honey nut cheerios - it says it's good for you, and that bee is so friendly!
* Whole grain bread, if you can't stand it go for wheat, or a good dark rye. just not white.
* Popcorn - take it easy on the butter and salt.
Other starch
* Pasta - 6lbs of pasta is less than $4 at sam's club. 6 lbs of penne will feed you for a week of midterms.
* Little red potatos - the brown ones taste dirty, and the red ones are bite-sized and snack-ready.
* Sweet potatoes - lay off the marshmallows.
* Crackers - the little crunchy wheat ones taste excellent, I don't remember what they're called.
* Pita - it's like a tortilla, but so much better!
Produce - I'll just leave this section, she's got it covered.
* Whatever's local, in season, and organic
* Whatever's local and in season
* Whatever's local and hothouse grown
* Whatever's organic
* Whatever looks good and fresh
* (Winners are usually zucchini, yellow squash, leafy greens, eggplant, winter squash, bell peppers, onions, tomatoes, broccoli, carrots, sweet corn, cabbage, red leaf lettuce, cucumber, apples, organic strawberries, other berries, pears, watermelon, etc.)
Condiments and extras
* BEEF boullion
* Soy sauce/Teriyaki sauce
* Whole milk...or 1% at the least. Don't punish yourself by drinking skim or soy, it's not worth it.
* Spices (fresh garlic, cayenne, salt and pepper, lemon juice, cinnamon)
* Bread yeast - don't lie to yourself, it's for making beer in your dormroom.
* Pasta sauce
* Nuts - peanuts are cheap and fill the void left by your craving for cashews.
* Jam - jelly is for posers. Get the stuff with bits of fruit left in it.
* There's a butter substitute spread out there that's basically vegetable oil and something. It's less bad than real butter, and tastes almost the same. Easy to spread too. Less than a dollar for a tub of it at walmart.
All of these things I would consider reasonable for a spendthrift college student who enjoys eating, and doesn't have any pretentions of being a stereotypical "healthy eater". I keep my pantry and fridge stocked with all of these items for less than $100/month.
Protein foods
* Chicken - it's cheap, it's easy to cook, it's tasty, it's healthy.
* Ground beef - throw it on the george foreman, watch the fat melt away! sure red meat causes cancer, but a hamburger is worth it.
* Pinto beans
* Black beans (refried bean sandwiches - cheap AND proteinfull!)
* Cottage cheese (large curd. Small curd causes cancer, it's science.)
* Eggs - just don't cook em like mom, when she would pour the boiling bacon grease over 'em. mmm...
* Salmon (not farmed, if possible. In oklahoma, you don't have a choice :( )
* Tuna - mackerel is expensive. tuna's cheaper, but no more than 16oz a week due to mercury.
* Peanut Butter - it's got the good fats in it, too!
Whole grains
* Brown rice - even better than white rice!
* Oats - homemade muesli replica is tasty breakfast fodder
* honey nut cheerios - it says it's good for you, and that bee is so friendly!
* Whole grain bread, if you can't stand it go for wheat, or a good dark rye. just not white.
* Popcorn - take it easy on the butter and salt.
Other starch
* Pasta - 6lbs of pasta is less than $4 at sam's club. 6 lbs of penne will feed you for a week of midterms.
* Little red potatos - the brown ones taste dirty, and the red ones are bite-sized and snack-ready.
* Sweet potatoes - lay off the marshmallows.
* Crackers - the little crunchy wheat ones taste excellent, I don't remember what they're called.
* Pita - it's like a tortilla, but so much better!
Produce - I'll just leave this section, she's got it covered.
* Whatever's local, in season, and organic
* Whatever's local and in season
* Whatever's local and hothouse grown
* Whatever's organic
* Whatever looks good and fresh
* (Winners are usually zucchini, yellow squash, leafy greens, eggplant, winter squash, bell peppers, onions, tomatoes, broccoli, carrots, sweet corn, cabbage, red leaf lettuce, cucumber, apples, organic strawberries, other berries, pears, watermelon, etc.)
Condiments and extras
* BEEF boullion
* Soy sauce/Teriyaki sauce
* Whole milk...or 1% at the least. Don't punish yourself by drinking skim or soy, it's not worth it.
* Spices (fresh garlic, cayenne, salt and pepper, lemon juice, cinnamon)
* Bread yeast - don't lie to yourself, it's for making beer in your dormroom.
* Pasta sauce
* Nuts - peanuts are cheap and fill the void left by your craving for cashews.
* Jam - jelly is for posers. Get the stuff with bits of fruit left in it.
* There's a butter substitute spread out there that's basically vegetable oil and something. It's less bad than real butter, and tastes almost the same. Easy to spread too. Less than a dollar for a tub of it at walmart.
All of these things I would consider reasonable for a spendthrift college student who enjoys eating, and doesn't have any pretentions of being a stereotypical "healthy eater". I keep my pantry and fridge stocked with all of these items for less than $100/month.
alison_in_oh
10-31-05, 08:19 AM
Stolen, and modified for the college student living on a budget who isn't at all vegan and considers vegetarianism to be only a few rungs above necrophilia on the moral ladder.
I find that marginally amusing, perhaps because I'm not vegetarian -- though I seem to be accidentally vegan this month. ;)
* Tuna - mackerel is expensive. tuna's cheaper, but no more than 16oz a week due to mercury.
I'm of childbearing age, so I'm not keen on any tuna right now. How is mackerel expensive, I've never paid more than $1.15 for a 12 oz can!
* Whole milk...or 1% at the least. Don't punish yourself by drinking skim or soy, it's not worth it.
If you're gonna drink cow milk, feel free to go whole hog (in moderation of course!) I make my homemade yogurt from 2%. But I can't drink the stuff straight, never have. Full-fat soy tastes nearly as rich, and doesn't upset my tummy either. More importantly, it doesn't give my husband the stinky death-toots (don't tell him I said that!)
* Bread yeast - don't lie to yourself, it's for making beer in your dormroom.
Psst...beer yeast works better for that. No, really. ;) Oh, and for a quick treat, toss some champagne yeast into a gallon of apple cider. Put an airlock onnit and wait a week. Sparkling hard cider, yum yum!
* There's a butter substitute spread out there that's basically vegetable oil and something. It's less bad than real butter, and tastes almost the same. Easy to spread too. Less than a dollar for a tub of it at walmart.
Just make sure it's trans-fat free. For a few years now we've gone for Olivio, which is olive oil and some whey and a very tiny bit of hydrogenated oil that it claims adds only trace trans fat. Very yummy and spreadable. We still keep butter on hand for baking.
I find that marginally amusing, perhaps because I'm not vegetarian -- though I seem to be accidentally vegan this month. ;)
* Tuna - mackerel is expensive. tuna's cheaper, but no more than 16oz a week due to mercury.
I'm of childbearing age, so I'm not keen on any tuna right now. How is mackerel expensive, I've never paid more than $1.15 for a 12 oz can!
* Whole milk...or 1% at the least. Don't punish yourself by drinking skim or soy, it's not worth it.
If you're gonna drink cow milk, feel free to go whole hog (in moderation of course!) I make my homemade yogurt from 2%. But I can't drink the stuff straight, never have. Full-fat soy tastes nearly as rich, and doesn't upset my tummy either. More importantly, it doesn't give my husband the stinky death-toots (don't tell him I said that!)
* Bread yeast - don't lie to yourself, it's for making beer in your dormroom.
Psst...beer yeast works better for that. No, really. ;) Oh, and for a quick treat, toss some champagne yeast into a gallon of apple cider. Put an airlock onnit and wait a week. Sparkling hard cider, yum yum!
* There's a butter substitute spread out there that's basically vegetable oil and something. It's less bad than real butter, and tastes almost the same. Easy to spread too. Less than a dollar for a tub of it at walmart.
Just make sure it's trans-fat free. For a few years now we've gone for Olivio, which is olive oil and some whey and a very tiny bit of hydrogenated oil that it claims adds only trace trans fat. Very yummy and spreadable. We still keep butter on hand for baking.
toomanybikes
10-31-05, 08:24 AM
Sugar Free Maple Syrup is NOT Maple Syrup!!
It be artificially Maple flavoured syrupy stuff, but it is NOT Maple Syrup.
It be artificially Maple flavoured syrupy stuff, but it is NOT Maple Syrup.
Wind 'N Snow
10-31-05, 09:02 AM
All the processed stuff "suger free", "low fat", diet - even low salt or sodium reduced is suspect. If you follow the clean living edict, anything that you can't make in your own kitchen - with ingredients, of course - shouldn't realy be going into your mouth..
You can make pie, ketchup, bread, pasta, pot roast...everything in moderation. Even the "evil things" like sugar and salt.
Where's the soy based things? What if, for whatever reason, you don't eat red meat?
Are pinto, and navy beans going to be your orly protein? This list is a good start, but is missing 60 percent of what is needed to make eating interesting.
And spinach pasta...Unless you make it yourself or it is a really specialized product, chances are all the spinach does is add colour...you may as well just pour food dye into the water.
You can make pie, ketchup, bread, pasta, pot roast...everything in moderation. Even the "evil things" like sugar and salt.
Where's the soy based things? What if, for whatever reason, you don't eat red meat?
Are pinto, and navy beans going to be your orly protein? This list is a good start, but is missing 60 percent of what is needed to make eating interesting.
And spinach pasta...Unless you make it yourself or it is a really specialized product, chances are all the spinach does is add colour...you may as well just pour food dye into the water.
Dwayne
10-31-05, 02:46 PM
If you're gonna drink cow milk, feel free to go whole hog (in moderation of course!) I make my homemade yogurt from 2%. But I can't drink the stuff straight, never have. Full-fat soy tastes nearly as rich, and doesn't upset my tummy either. More importantly, it doesn't give my husband the stinky death-toots (don't tell him I said that!)
This is actually why I had to stop drinking milk. Give me two glasses of skim milk, and I'll provide you with enough fuel to launch a rocket-powered vehicle of your choosing to the moon. Five glasses will get you to Mars.
Same thing with cheese, yogurt, dairy in general. If I have a hankering for any of it, I eat it either a) a few hours before I go to bed, or b) a few hours before I head out for a ride, that way it's like an afterburner (mental note: install a lighter or spark plug aft of my seat for this idea). It's a good thing I like soy milk (the best tasting one I've found is the Silk stuff).
This is actually why I had to stop drinking milk. Give me two glasses of skim milk, and I'll provide you with enough fuel to launch a rocket-powered vehicle of your choosing to the moon. Five glasses will get you to Mars.
Same thing with cheese, yogurt, dairy in general. If I have a hankering for any of it, I eat it either a) a few hours before I go to bed, or b) a few hours before I head out for a ride, that way it's like an afterburner (mental note: install a lighter or spark plug aft of my seat for this idea). It's a good thing I like soy milk (the best tasting one I've found is the Silk stuff).
Wind 'N Snow
10-31-05, 04:27 PM
This is actually why I had to stop drinking milk. Give me two glasses of skim milk, and I'll provide you with enough fuel to launch a rocket-powered vehicle of your choosing to the moon. Five glasses will get you to Mars.
Same thing with cheese, yogurt, dairy in general. If I have a hankering for any of it, I eat it either a) a few hours before I go to bed, or b) a few hours before I head out for a ride, that way it's like an afterburner (mental note: install a lighter or spark plug aft of my seat for this idea). It's a good thing I like soy milk (the best tasting one I've found is the Silk stuff).
Ever try goat? Once you've had goat, you never....I mean....Actually I like So Nice and So Good - both like Silk, but, better tasting, IMO.
Same thing with cheese, yogurt, dairy in general. If I have a hankering for any of it, I eat it either a) a few hours before I go to bed, or b) a few hours before I head out for a ride, that way it's like an afterburner (mental note: install a lighter or spark plug aft of my seat for this idea). It's a good thing I like soy milk (the best tasting one I've found is the Silk stuff).
Ever try goat? Once you've had goat, you never....I mean....Actually I like So Nice and So Good - both like Silk, but, better tasting, IMO.
Eatadonut
10-31-05, 06:12 PM
How is mackerel expensive, I've never paid more than $1.15 for a 12 oz can!
16 oz of tuna - .69 :D the little things add up!
More importantly, it doesn't give my husband the stinky death-toots (don't tell him I said that!)
Yes, i feel for those of you who are even marginally lactose intolerant. Luckily, I'm one of those freaks who has no problem consuming gallons of it. Well, except when I meet the scale afterwards.
Psst...beer yeast works better for that. No, really. ;) Oh, and for a quick treat, toss some champagne yeast into a gallon of apple cider. Put an airlock onnit and wait a week. Sparkling hard cider, yum yum!
It's a learning experience. We have some lemon "beer" in the fridge made from bread yeast...it's just plain not good. We DO have some hard cider that's quite tasty, though the sparkling bit would add a new twist to it!
Just make sure it's trans-fat free.
pretty sure it is - just wish I could remember what it's called!
16 oz of tuna - .69 :D the little things add up!
More importantly, it doesn't give my husband the stinky death-toots (don't tell him I said that!)
Yes, i feel for those of you who are even marginally lactose intolerant. Luckily, I'm one of those freaks who has no problem consuming gallons of it. Well, except when I meet the scale afterwards.
Psst...beer yeast works better for that. No, really. ;) Oh, and for a quick treat, toss some champagne yeast into a gallon of apple cider. Put an airlock onnit and wait a week. Sparkling hard cider, yum yum!
It's a learning experience. We have some lemon "beer" in the fridge made from bread yeast...it's just plain not good. We DO have some hard cider that's quite tasty, though the sparkling bit would add a new twist to it!
Just make sure it's trans-fat free.
pretty sure it is - just wish I could remember what it's called!
Dwayne
11-01-05, 01:53 PM
Ever try goat? Once you've had goat, you never....I mean....Actually I like So Nice and So Good - both like Silk, but, better tasting, IMO.
I'll check next time I go buy groceries. The nice thing about soy milk is it's not much more expensive than regular milk, but I'll try goat milk, too, why not. :)
I'll check next time I go buy groceries. The nice thing about soy milk is it's not much more expensive than regular milk, but I'll try goat milk, too, why not. :)
Wind 'N Snow
11-01-05, 06:36 PM
I'll check next time I go buy groceries. The nice thing about soy milk is it's not much more expensive than regular milk, but I'll try goat milk, too, why not. :)
It's a little gamey, not my favorite really, but if you have lactose issues, Goat is the way to go.
It's a little gamey, not my favorite really, but if you have lactose issues, Goat is the way to go.
DannoXYZ
11-01-05, 06:47 PM
Get the whole goat, they're pretty tasty. :)
San Rensho
11-02-05, 07:40 AM
The list includes most of the foods of a mediterranean diet, the food eaten by people in Spain, France, Ital, Greece, parts of the middle east etc. The diet emphasizes fruits, vegetables, olive oil, rice, pasta and generally less red meat than americans but more fish and cheese. They put an emphasis on fresh, home grown products.
In general, mediterraneans are some of the healthiest populations around, at least much healthier than americans. Their rates of heart disease and obesity are much lower than americans. Now, if they would only quit smoking Gauloise and drinking wine for breakfast, lunch and dinner, they could get lung cancer and cirrhosis of the liver down!
I guess my point is, the diet recommended is good and its really easy to follow by just eating Italian, spanish, french or greek.
In general, mediterraneans are some of the healthiest populations around, at least much healthier than americans. Their rates of heart disease and obesity are much lower than americans. Now, if they would only quit smoking Gauloise and drinking wine for breakfast, lunch and dinner, they could get lung cancer and cirrhosis of the liver down!
I guess my point is, the diet recommended is good and its really easy to follow by just eating Italian, spanish, french or greek.
Powerful Pete
11-02-05, 10:02 AM
... and adding an occasional bit of red wine to the equation... and that way you do not even have to worry about cirrhosis (and we need smokers, good for the pension system and for tax collection). :D
alison_in_oh
11-02-05, 11:02 AM
The list includes most of the foods of a mediterranean diet...I guess my point is, the diet recommended is good and its really easy to follow by just eating Italian, spanish, french or greek.
Are you referring to the very first post in this thread, the one that stirred up all the controversy with 20 cuts of red meat mentioned and no non-meat alternatives?
Are you referring to the very first post in this thread, the one that stirred up all the controversy with 20 cuts of red meat mentioned and no non-meat alternatives?
San Rensho
11-02-05, 01:38 PM
I'm referring to the first post.
alison_in_oh
11-02-05, 02:30 PM
I'm referring to the first post.
OK, well maybe I just prefer the Crystal Light, mayonnaise, sugar free maple syrup free Mediterranean diet. :) The one that also has red meat as only an occasional addition rather than recommending that the fridge remain stocked at all times with "Extra Lean Ground Beef or Ground Round (92-96%), Venison, Buffalo,...,Ribeye Steaks or Roast, Top Round Steaks or Roast, Top Sirloin, Beef Tenderloin, Top Loin, Flank Steak, AND Eye of Round".
PS, this is an ancient thread and my memory is fuzzy but I am 99% sure that list is not the original -- methinks he made some mods, and some of them seem to have been in response to my objections, yay me! :p
OK, well maybe I just prefer the Crystal Light, mayonnaise, sugar free maple syrup free Mediterranean diet. :) The one that also has red meat as only an occasional addition rather than recommending that the fridge remain stocked at all times with "Extra Lean Ground Beef or Ground Round (92-96%), Venison, Buffalo,...,Ribeye Steaks or Roast, Top Round Steaks or Roast, Top Sirloin, Beef Tenderloin, Top Loin, Flank Steak, AND Eye of Round".
PS, this is an ancient thread and my memory is fuzzy but I am 99% sure that list is not the original -- methinks he made some mods, and some of them seem to have been in response to my objections, yay me! :p
San Rensho
11-02-05, 08:38 PM
Yeah, there are a couple of questionable items. Bambi and ostrich are too cute for me to eat, and I don't like diet, low fat or artificially flavored anything. Its interesting, here all the rage in fad diets is low fat everything. Like low fat cheese (which tastes like plastic) In europe, different cheese makers argue in advertisements over whose cheese has the highest fat content.
But I digress. I was just pointing out that most of the stuff listed is pretty good. At least he didn't list Hungry Man tv dinners! And he missed Ben and Jerry's heath bar crunch which is of course a pillar of the mediterranean diet.
But I digress. I was just pointing out that most of the stuff listed is pretty good. At least he didn't list Hungry Man tv dinners! And he missed Ben and Jerry's heath bar crunch which is of course a pillar of the mediterranean diet.
Wind 'N Snow
11-02-05, 11:16 PM
Wait a minute...Did I read that ostrich and bison are mediterannean fare? I've heard of buffalo wings so I guess they flew there from here, but I thought ostrich were flightless.
Of course I'm kidding and being an @ss.
Mediterranean food does have a healthy portion of game, local game, mind you, but also more subtle meats, such as sheep (lamb) and goat...and of course lots of legumes and fish.
It's a great way of eating, if you can remember to not put one cup of Olive oil on everything including your morning bread!
Of course I'm kidding and being an @ss.
Mediterranean food does have a healthy portion of game, local game, mind you, but also more subtle meats, such as sheep (lamb) and goat...and of course lots of legumes and fish.
It's a great way of eating, if you can remember to not put one cup of Olive oil on everything including your morning bread!
wardrake
11-03-05, 03:49 PM
Dark Chocolate Beer Pie.
/faint
/faint
Jarery
11-03-05, 04:25 PM
http://www.mediterrasian.com/
for a slight spin on mediteranian diet.
for a slight spin on mediteranian diet.